Once you’re Pakistani, there is no going back to India

[K.P.K]

Wrong assessment. Not all Pakistanis are muslims.

Pakistani doesn't mean Muslim, But intelligence of Indians will say otherwise.

 

[doppelganger]

Muslim or not Indian is an Indian

That makes me feel nice. And I strongly reciprocate the sentiment. We are all Hindus.

Pakistani =Muslim?.

Muslim or not Pakistani is a Pakistani.

 

[Bang Galore]

But i never used the word Muslim in any of my post but Pakistani. And no it does not surprise me one bit. As i said in my previous post Pakistanis need to learn and accept the reality and move on.

Between India & Pakistan, there is never any surprise. Why we are discussing this is because those Pakistanis who became U.S./U.K./Canadian/Australian citizens have a chip on their shoulder thinking that they are somehow better/different than the bunch back home. Why Pakistanis living in Pakistan want to support this viewpoint is beyond me. This is just the complaints of those with chips on their shoulders explaining that they should not be treated the same as the riff-raff back home. Their complaints simply should not concern Pakistanis living in Pakistan who are used to this visa situation from long. Why support special preferences for this lot who think they are better than you?

 

[IceCold]

Pakistani doesn't mean Muslim, But intelligence of Indians will say otherwise.

Couldnt disagree to that as was evident from DopplerGangar replies to my posts where i did not even mentioned the word muslim.

 

[K.P.K]

If Pakistanis going Ajmer then they are biggest fools, nothing there other then fake pirs n Sufis.

Piss on the place.

 

[doppelganger]

Modi India vis-via Pakistan. That does not intend (for me at least) equals to muslim.

Sir you know what I meant, but are being obtuse.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Wrong assessment. Not all Pakistanis are muslims.

Oh, now you are talking about Shias and Ahmedis; OK.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

Once you’re Pakistani, there is no going back to India
By Aalia Suleman Published: April 17, 2015

The Indian government’s excuse for taking so long for visa processing, although in reality no visas are issued, is to curtail violence in the country

The non-issuance of visas to India continues to irk thousands of Pakistani Americans as the former remains hell bent to grind an axe with Pakistanis, regardless of borders or their new nationalities.

At the moment, there are an estimated 500,000 Pakistani Americans in the US and the rate of their continually burgeoning numbers makes them the second fastest growing group of Asian immigrants in the US. According to the Pew Research Centre, the entire population of Asian Americans, which includes Pakistanis, is among those in the highest income bracket as well as the best educated in the country. However, despite all the good check marks Pakistanis have in front of their names and despite their coveted blue passports, India continues to trivialise their backgrounds, denying them visit visas to its esteemed land only because they are expats born in Pakistan.

It is absurd for India to assume that no Pakistani would ever want to visit India at some point in their lives. Everyone still has relatives, ancestral homes, ties, backgrounds, and memories of childhood visits to the country even though they themselves were born in Pakistan.

The migration that occurred with the division of the country in 1947 was the greatest mass human migration in the history of mankind. Do the Indian authorities seriously assume that simply on account of being born in Karachi or Lahore, a man’s ties to his entire history could be severed and his whole slate of reverence for the land of his forefathers could be wiped clean?

Even if one removes the emotionality from the picture, the whole situation reeks of brazen, glaring discrimination, not only on the part of India, but also the US authorities by reason of being perpetrated against as US citizens.

Why do these people want to go there?

I am pretty sure it is not with the intent to bomb Mysore or raze the Taj Mahal to the ground. The majority only wishes to visit family, gaze at the homes of which they have heard stories of all their lives, visit the monuments built by the Mughal rulers and reflect, sadly, at the preserved relics in the museums which tell the tale of one of the greatest empires in human history. The fact of the matter is that the soil of India has the roots of the millions of Pakistanis who immigrated to the new country in 1947.

As per the rules on the Indian visa website, the visa processing time for US citizens born in the US is one to three days, whereas the time for people of Pakistani origin, it is six weeks. Even this time requirement is just a scam; visas are not issued at all even after the person has waited for six weeks. According to the US Code Title 42, Chapter 21 of civil rights,

“Discrimination against any person ‘based on age, disability, gender, race, national origin and religion (among other things) in a number of settings—including education, employment, access to businesses and buildings, federal services and more’ is prohibited.”

Yet the Indian consulate carries out this blatant discrimination most unabashedly on US soil against US citizens.

The Indian government’s excuse for taking so long for visa processing, although in reality no visas are issued, is to curtail violence in the country. This excuse is, however, most flimsy and unconvincing. 500,000 US citizens of Pakistani origin cannot be held accountable for a handful of miscreants who also happened to be of Pakistani origin.

Prior to the 2008 Mumbai attacks, which were masterminded by the American citizen of Pakistani origin David Headley, all expatriates with foreign passports were exempted from any such visa issuance rules. These rigid rules only came into effect in 2009 and have yet to see any alleviation.

When the officials at the US State Department were questioned about this grey-area-case-of-discrimination, they said they had “raised concerns with the Indian Embassy in Washington” but were unable to do more since visa requirements were engineered by each country in question. Though one could understand that it takes longer for the Indian consulate to do background checks on expats of one country than of another, could it really take six weeks?

Today, it takes minutes to check a person’s background history so why isn’t the Indian embassy able to judge within at least a couple of weeks if a person can or cannot enter the country?

The fact that everyone is denied the visa despite this background check only reflects stark bigotry against Pakistani Americans enabled by US authorities on US soil – an interesting occurrence in this day and age.

Adding further insult to injury, India requires Pakistani Americans to file their visa applications using their Pakistani passports and not their American ones. Whoever chooses to do so, if they even happen to have their Pakistani passport any longer, will not only have to go through the Pakistani consulate to get these passports renewed if required but will also lose all benefits of travelling as US citizens. Of all the bizarre rules that any country could come up with for keeping the people of a certain birth background at bay, trust the Indian consulate to come up with the most outstanding ones.

The sad irony of the entire matter is that despite all these loony-bin tactics India creates to keep Pakistani Americans off their soil, the Pakistanis’ ties to that land keeps them applying for visas repeatedly. Going through similar frustrations and in response to Washington’s ‘non-committal stand’ on the subject, a Pakistani American even filed a petition in court titled ‘Ask India to End Origin-based Discrimination of Visa applicants’. However, so far, all pleas have been falling on completely deaf US and Indian ears, and Pakistani Americans remain barred from the land of their ancestors. It would be interesting to see how this matter is resolved, if ever.

Maybe there will be a day when I too shall be able to visit Dehli, the great seat of Muslim learning, Ghalib’s hometown, and the grand Mughal capital that ruled Hindustan for nearly 350 years.

Once you’re Pakistani, there is no going back to India – The Express Tribune Blog

Lovely act of playing victim... the author wants to come to India to see how Lowly indians have maintained so called seats of Mughal Empire.. so much for Nostalgia... I remember one fine Pakistani Expat who came to India and helped killing more then 100 Indians who were waiting for trains, having coffee and taking care of their kids... What are PAkistanis going to do in India... they think India is inferior.. so why bother apply... they should go to the land of honey and milk that was created for them by their leaders.

 

[doppelganger]

If Pakistanis going Ajmer then they are biggest fools, nothing there other then fake pirs n Sufis.

Piss on the place.

Sir that is offensive. Ajmer Sharif is held in high esteem by all Hindus. Sanatan Dharmis and Muslims.

I would give you a negative rating for that if I could.

 

[IceCold]

Between India & Pakistan, there is never any surprise. Why we are discussing this is because those Pakistanis who became U.S./U.K./Canadian/Australian citizens have a chip on their shoulder thinking that they are somehow better/different than the bunch back home. Why Pakistanis living in Pakistan want to support this viewpoint is beyond me. This is just the complaints of those with chips on their shoulders explaining that they should not be treated the same as the riff-raff back home. Their complaints simply should not concern Pakistanis living in Pakistan who are used to this visa situation from long. Why support special preferences for this lot who think they are better than you?

Part of the reason maybe because they now carry a red or blue passport instead of a green one. Like all US citizens they think they are special. Ex pat Pakistani feel no different.

Oh, now you are talking about Shias and Ahmedis; OK.

Salute to your wisdom sir.

Justice Rana Bagwan Das. The hindu chief justice of Pakistan.

 

[Bang Galore]

Part of the reason maybe because they now carry a red or blue passport instead of a green one. Like all US citizens they think they are special. Ex pat Pakistani feel no different.

Why I said it shouldn't bother normal Pakistanis. All you see in the article is the anger & irritation at having to use their Pakistani passports to apply rather than the vaunted U.S. one. Best ignored.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

Pakistani passport third worst for international travel - The Express Tribune

This should calm some people.

 

[doppelganger]

I don't understand the thread or the title of it. Was it the OP's idea, with garnishing?

Cause frankly it sounds as if it refers to once-Indian Muslims who went across to Pakistan and became Pakistanis and NOW are not able to return to India ("back" means what else?), even for a visit (family, friends, marriage, deaths, religious pilgrimage, etc.)

Doesn't it?

If its just Pakistani expats, it should read as "Once Pakistani, always Pakistani, when it comes to India"

P.S. KPK I have reported you to the admins for being abusive and derogatory about a place of worship revered by all Indians, Hindus and Muslims alike. I hope they take action, before it snowballs into our side abusing your places of worship with equally filthy language (whore house - really?).

@WebMaster @Horus @Oscar @Jungibaaz @Irfan Baloch @waz

 

[Capt.Popeye]

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Quite the effing Hero you are.... are'nt ya???
Here @Oscar, @WebMaster; we have a worthy candidate to be elevated to the rank of PDF Analist.

Part of the reason maybe because they now carry a red or blue passport instead of a green one. Like all US citizens they think they are special. Ex pat Pakistani feel no different.



Salute to your wisdom sir.

Justice Rana Bagwan Das. The hindu chief justice of Pakistan.

How many others like him, BTW.



p.s. at least get the name right........ since you claim him as a country-man.

 

[K.P.K]

I don't understand the thread or the title of it. Was it the OP's idea, with garnishing?

Cause frankly it sounds as if it refers to once-Indian Muslims who went across to Pakistan and became Pakistanis and NOW are not able to return to India ("back" means what else?), even for a visit (family, friends, marriage, deaths, religious pilgrimage, etc.)

Doesn't it?

If its just Pakistani expats, it should read as "Once Pakistani, always Pakistani, when it comes to India"

P.S. KPK I have reported you to the admins for being abusive and derogatory about a place of worship revered by all Indians, Hindus and Muslims alike. I hope they take action, before it snowballs into our side abusing your places of worship with equally filthy language (whore house - really?).

@WebMaster @Horus @Oscar @Jungibaaz @Irfan Baloch @waz

Look I expressed my opinion, it's a free world and I am free to speak my mind.

You can revere what you like along with some Pakistani grave worshippers, if you look at the story of Ajmer then you will realize that Sufis mystic power didn't get them anything, it was the sword of the Turco Afghans that achieved it all for them so they can bow down without fear.

It's very sad to see some Pakistanis & Indians claiming the Turco Afghan history as Islamic history. Islam had nothing to do with it, it was the strong and motivated that achieved the success.