Once-jailed lawmaker again uses Kurdish in Turkey's parliament

[-SINAN-]

This Sinan likes to troll and I just gave him a correct answer.

Why would she do that? For fun?

Lol, somebody just described himself. I answer people as they deserve.

Still it seems doesn't match what European union is seeking or as it is in Canada. It is not bilingual is it?

Nope, but it matches Russia, US, UK, Germany, France, etc...

Nope, it is not bilingual as i explained before.

 

[Siavash]

Lol, somebody just described himself. I answer people as they deserve.

I haven't seen any time you answer anything Sinan. Not here not in the Iranian forum. I don't expect you act different in Iranian forum but why do you like to shit in your own forum? I don't know! it is not mature!

 

[lonelyman]

Unbelievable, no wonder Europe wouldn't take Turks in, jailed for saying in her mother tongue???

Once-jailed lawmaker again uses Kurdish in Turkey's parliament - Business Insider
By Gulsen Solaker and Ayla Jean Yackley

ANKARA (Reuters) - A member of Turkey's parliament spoke Kurdish while taking her oath of office on Tuesday, but the acting speaker said her vow was invalid.

Leyla Zana, a Nobel Peace Prize nominee, spent a decade in prison for links to Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) militants after speaking Kurdish in parliament in 1991. A representative from her office said Tuesday's gesture was to raise awareness of the renewed conflict that has killed hundreds of people in Turkey's mainly Kurdish southeast since July.

At the swearing-in ceremony, Zana, who won a seat in a parliamentary election on Nov. 1, began her oath by saying, "With the hope of an honorable and lasting peace" in Kurdish.

She finished by changing the oath's official wording of "Turkish people" to "people of Turkey."

The provisional speaker of parliament, Deniz Baykal, asked Zana to return to the lectern for an exact recitation but she left the chamber, media reported.

"If she sees fit, she should come and read the text of the oath exactly, or the oath is not valid," Baykal said.

It was not immediately clear whether speaking in Kurdish or changing the wording, or both, had rendered her oath invalid.

Many Kurds have called the parliamentary election unfair because it was conducted against the background of renewed clashes between security forces and the PKK.



JAILED FOR 10 YEARS

Zana rose to prominence in 1991, causing uproar in Turkey's parliament by speaking in Kurdish at her oath-swearing ceremony.

The speech prompted parliament to strip her of her immunity and eject her from the legislature. It was used as evidence against her when she and three other MPs, elected as independents, were jailed in 1994 for links to the PKK. They were freed in 2004.

Turkey has since broadened human rights and boosted Kurdish linguistic and political freedoms.

In June, Zana's Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP) won seats in parliament as a party for the first time, depriving the ruling AK Party of a majority. Zana then took her oath in Turkish.

A new election was called after the AKP failed to form a coalition and a 2-1/2 year ceasefire was shattered following Turkish strikes against PKK targets.

The HDP lost a quarter of its seats in the re-run election.

Two bomb attacks, in July and October, blamed on Islamic State, targeted pro-Kurdish activists, killing 135 people and raising concerns about stability in NATO member Turkey, which borders Syria. The AKP tapped into people's security fears and was able to regain a majority in this month's poll.



(Writing by Ayla Jean Yackley; Editing by Mark Trevelyan)

 

[-SINAN-]

Anyway if instead of comparing yourselves to IR regime and trying to shut down anyone here who talks about it you either would ignore the post or post informative answers that describe the situation you would have done a better job.

I haven't seen any time you answer anything Sinan. Not here not in the Iranian forum. I don't expect you act different in Iranian forum but why do you like to shit in your own forum? I don't know! it is not mature!

Here is my answer

Everything is clear. It doesn't matter what she says before and/or after the oath.

She changed the official oath to her liking which rendered her oath as invalid. She refused to say the correct oath. Now, she won't be able to vote,make speech, etc... in the parliament.

Here is your smart@ss question

Why would she do that? For fun?

And my answer to your smart@ss question

Who cares.....

Like i said before, i answer people as they deserve.

Unbelievable, no wonder Europe wouldn't take Turks in, jailed for saying in her mother tongue???

Well, i can believe a Chinese troll who isn't able to understand what he just read....always the same with the Chinese.

 

[Siavash]

Unbelievable, no wonder Europe wouldn't take Turks in, jailed for saying in her mother tongue???

It seesm after she did that they accused her of PKK affiliation and jailed her for 10 years. Basically it seems the reason is teh PKK but was triggered by her act in the parliament at the time. It is a little fishy. PKK affiliation by itself is not a good reason for 10 years in my opinion ...

Here is my answer


Here is your smart@ss question


And my answer to your smart@ss question


Like i said before, i answer people as they deserve.



Well, i can believe a Chinese troll who isn't able to understand what he just read....always the same with the Chinese.

You have issues you need to deal with yourself! Anyway thanks for the part you answered. If anything else come in mind don't hesitate to write constructively!

 

[-SINAN-]

You have issues you need to deal with yourself!

All the Iranians who tries to handle me, says the same sentence at the end.

Anyway thanks for the part you answered.

My pleasure.

If anything else come in mind don't hesitate to write constructively!

Any well mannered will be replied with same attitude.

 

[Worf]

Political opinions and her choice of language to address the parliament, before taking the oath, are irrelevant; Another MP from the HDP, spoke in Arabic before he started his oath; he didn't counter any problems.

What is relevant is the fact that she changed the oath to her liking; this rule applies to everyone.

 

[Siavash]

Political opinions and her choice of language to address the parliament, before taking the oath, are irrelevant; Another MP from the HDP, spoke in Arabic before he started his oath; he didn't counter any problems.

What is relevant is the fact that she changed the oath to her liking; this rule applies to everyone.

Ok, makes sense. Anyway these sensitivities needs to be addressed. She had political agenda doing that anyway.

Arabic? Why? does Turkey have significant Arab population as well?
It is understandable and has to be addressed.

I wish someone had guts to do that in Iran and see what happens! Like someone address parliament in Azeri and demand it to be translated ... that is a good move or someone come and talk in Kurdish and ask it to be translated to the members ... It is a good non violent move in Iran that can stir a lot of things... I have to see if we can do that in Iran after ISIS and Syria crisis is over.

 

[-SINAN-]

Arabic? Why? does Turkey have significant Arab population as well?
She had political agenda doing that anyway. It is understandable and has to be addressed. I wish someone had guts to do that in Iran and see what happens!

Nope, not she. "Another MP from the HDP", probably with Arabic ethnicity. No problem.

 

[Worf]

Arabic? Why? does Turkey have significant Arab population as well?

Well no, if you exclude the waves of Syrians refugees.

 

[Siavash]

Nope, not she. "Another MP from the HDP", probably with Arabic ethnicity. No problem.

I understand not she but didn't know Turkey has significant Arab population. Seems when dividing the ottoman empire they left some.

 

[Worf]

In theory, HDP, was suppose to be a party for all minorities; thats how they wanted to people to think at least. However everyone know what there real objective is....

 

[Siavash]

good info. It gave me an idea to stir things in Iran! Having MP's or invited people talk in minority dialect in Parliament. need to try it in time.

 

[xenon54 out]

I understand not she but didn't know Turkey has significant Arab population. Seems when dividing the ottoman empire they left some.

You are clearly here for trolling it seems, adress the various human rights abuses in your own country for once before lecturing us.

 

[Siavash]

In theory, HDP, was suppose to be a party for all minorities; thats how they wanted to people to think at least. However everyone know what there real objective is....

So there is 4 major parties AKP, CHP, MHP and HDP and HDP as you mention. Also several that have good standing in Municipalities ... but not on national level except those above.

She had 58 other MP's in her party in parliament. It would have been better for her to raise the issue legally and push it in non revolutionary way instead of changing the oath as far as I understand now. Rovolutionalry way is good to raise awareness as long as the democratic way had been tried and failed! Don't know if she had made a request to have the phrase replaced as she like in the first place. If not, then she doesn't have much standing and has lost the opportunity. If so, then this matter is in her favor and if not she has lost. Still there is much more to learn about it but this is so far as I have understood.

Meanwhile AKP has a very strong presence and nothing can be passed if not critical. So small parties like HDP and CHP perhaps which are leftist mostly would have no choice to raise the issue and have EU to intervene if it can and pressure AKP and the government for more freedom on minorities if necessary. At least Turkey has this option. In Iran we don't have this anyway.

Anyway don't know how public feel about the issue and if they are supportive. If not then nothing can be done basically. That is another aspect of it which I don't know at all. HDP should have her bases in east Turkey and AKP perhaps everywhere and west. so It is interesting to know what issues are important for the constituents of the parties and how much. Having 330 for AKP tells me security and integrity is more important for Turkey rather than the minority rights. Also tells me perhaps the voting time has been chosen to benefit the AKP party. Need to read more about this.

You are clearly here for trolling it seems, adress the various human rights abuses in your own country for once before lecturing us.

How am I trolling a thread that I initiated, be logical. By the way which lecturing has been done except voicing my opinion. It seesm you are trolling by not adding anything more to the thread except conflict. This thread is about Turkey MP speaking in parliment changing the oath and getting into trouble.. also about how things work and what parties are there and also what this incident tells about the situation... if you have anything to add please do if not as said before shut up and ignore the thread and go and have a shusha ...

First thing in PDF is to teach people how to debate in civilized way not ME way! Not with small frontal lobe but with whole brain. many don't and some have no choice but some do and ignore it!