Oman eases visa rules for tourists from India, China and Russia

[Saif al-Arab]

I don't rewrite history and have a distaste for those who attempt to. I would have classed Iran above/ equal to Brits (there is a reason Oman maintains Iranian interests in the UK). About 25% of the forces supporting the Sultan were Iranian.

My post was in regards to GCC's use of Pakistani "advisers".

It's not like Oman didn't get ~$1+ Billion and rights to continue to recruit Baloch to it's Military.

The Omanis and Brits did most of the fighting. Iran's Shah indeed played a big role hence why I mentioned them. You know it was a communist uprising after all and since the Iranian Shah was the biggest supporter of the West in the region (or biggest puppet - depends on what you prefer) and Oman being nearby and Iran having their own communist/socialist population (not a small minority), he acted. Ok, then Oman 1. UK 2. and Iran 3. The rest played a more secondary role.

Just out of pure curiosity, how many "advisers" from Pakistan is Oman using? I don't know, which is why I am asking.

Oman used Baloch soldiers/mercenaries before the existence of Pakistan. Similar to how they used non-Omani Arab soldiers as mercenaries. Similar to how the Nizam of Hyderabad used Yemeni soldiers and Turkic/Afghan ones. It was due to fears of being overthrown by a strong local army and thus local challengers to the throne.

Anyway you made it sound like it was a one-way street. All I reacted too. If I was wrong, we might not disagree at all.

GCC is welcome to throw out Pakistanis. But they should also throw out the bullsh!t about something called the "Muslim Ummah".

Why should such a thing occur? As for the "Muslim Ummah", why do you think that this is a "patent" made in Oman or made in GCC? Has Pakistan not used the same "Ummah card" countless of times? Was the foundation of Pakistan not based on religion first and foremost? You lost me there. I think the current flag-bearer since 1979 has been Iran btw. At least they pride themselves on that. I for once don't think nation states can play such a role due to obvious reasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia_and_racism_in_the_Middle_East#Oman

The descendants of servant tribes and slaves are victims of widespread discrimination.[28] Omanis of slave origin are sometimes referred to as "khaddam" (servant) and some are subservient to previous masters, despite legal emancipation.[25] Oman was the one of the last nations on earth to abolish slavery in 1970.[29]

It is believed that migrant workers in Oman are treated better than in other Arab states of the Persian Gulf.[29] The plight of domestic workers in Oman is a taboo subject.[30][29] Every 6 days, an Indian migrant in Oman commits suicide.[31][32] There has been a campaign urging authorities to check the migrant suicide rate.[33]

Ok. Those statistics, how reliable are they and how old are they? Do they differ from any other country of the world? Or from Pakistani/South Asian statistics? Is there a statistic about suicide rates among those 2.5 million modern-day slaves in Pakistan itself for example? Wiki is not much of a source BTW. Everyone, depending on his bias, can use biased sources to present a narrative. I will believe it if I see the Omani government publishing such numbers. Never heard about this before. Oman in general has a very good track record. This is well-known.

@ali_raza @My-Analogous might know more, don't know.

 

[Azadkashmir]

The Omanis and Brits did most of the fighting. Iran's Shah indeed played a big role hence why I mentioned them. You know it was a communist uprising after all and since the Iranian Shah was the biggest supporter of the West in the region (or biggest puppet - depends on what you prefer) and Oman being nearby and Iran having their own communist/socialist population (not a small minority), he acted. Ok, then Oman 1. UK 2. and Iran 3. The rest played a more secondary role.

Just out of pure curiosity, how many "advisers" from Pakistan is Oman using? I don't know, which is why I am asking.

Oman used Baloch soldiers/mercenaries before the existence of Pakistan. Similar to how they used non-Omani Arab soldiers as mercenaries. Similar to how the Nizam of Hyderabad used Yemeni soldiers and Turkic/Afghan ones. It was due to fears of being overthrown by a strong local army and thus local challengers to the throne.

Anyway you made it sound like it was a one-way street. All I reacted too. If I was wrong, we might not disagree at all.



Why should such a thing occur? As for the "Muslim Ummah", why do you think that this is a "patent" made in Oman or made in GCC? Has Pakistan not used the same "Ummah card" countless of times? Was the foundation of Pakistan not based on religion first and foremost? You lost me there. I think the current flag-bearer since 1979 has been Iran btw. At least they pride themselves on that. I for once don't think nation states can play such a role due to obvious reasons.



Ok. Those statistics, how reliable are they and how old are they? Do they differ from any other country of the world? Or from Pakistani/South Asian statistics? Is there a statistic about suicide rates about those 2.5 million modern-day slaves in Pakistan itself for example?

well wikipedia is much more reliable than dawn news which can be bought and sold more times than nawaz sharif daughter. pakistan has slavery? of course but the thief leaders are from our country, but oman makes slaves out of those from south asia.

 

[BrahminZada]

Mashalla what a great news !

@RISING SUN

You have created 3 threads about Oman in the span of minutes.

I highly suggest to post such news in threads that are intended for them.

There are a few threads about Oman on this section of PDF.

See this thread below:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/in-oman-innovation-meets-tradition.308923/

Or this one:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/anthony-bourdain-visits-oman.506009/


BTW those are some poor photos of Oman with all due respect:

Oman:


Muttrah Corniche #2 by momentaryawe.com, on Flickr

Sultan Qaboos Mosque by Daniela A Nievergelt, on Flickr




Summit celebrations by pvanschalkwyk1, on Flickr


September 12 by alSamhan, on Flickr


@ 200m high... Nakhal Fort in a cloudy day! by Beauty Eye, on Flickr

IMG_5311 Fort de Bahla - Oman by S. Le Bozec, on Flickr


salalah, Itin by sureshthrissur, on Flickr


Oman 09 by Toni.P, on Flickr


Oman 09 by Toni.P, on Flickr

Infinity pool by CruisAir, on Flickr

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-arabian-peninsula-and-arab-world-in-photos.280918/page-50

Omanis (and arabs of gulf) and Indians have a Very ancient cultural, religious and somewhat racial ties. Out of all Arabs, omanis are moat friendly towards Indians.

My own uncle have worked in maskat for 10 years in 90's. And hes in love with oman since than.

As an Indian Muslim i am very happy that Arabs are honoring our Ancient ties.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

well wikipedia is much more reliable than dawn news which can be bought and sold more times than nawaz sharif daughter. pakistan has slavery? of course but the thief leaders are from our country, but oman makes slaves out of those from south asia.

The source was "The 2016 Global Slavery Index". Dawn was simply publishing their findings along with 100's of other media worldwide.

See, you don't even read the articles or sources that are posted so why should I believe that you are even reading my posts?

You have this idea that all South Asians in the GCC (Oman in this case) are "slaves" and you want to stick with that no matter how ridiculous it is. That's really not my problem.

I mentioned two Pakistani users based in Oman (I know no other ones on PDF but for sure they are there) that you could discuss this with openly here. Maybe you would believe them or learn something new.

I have been reading your posts for a while on PDF and I obviously don't know you personally but I can't be the only user here who has at times (more often than we would like too, I asumme) read your posts and afterwards were left to stare in disbelief. Nothing personal.

Mashalla what a great news !




Omanis (and arabs of gulf) and Indians have a Very ancient cultural, religious and somewhat racial ties. Out of all Arabs, omanis are moat friendly towards Indians.

My own uncle have worked in maskat for 10 years in 90's. And hes in love with oman since than.

As an Indian Muslim i am very happy that Arabs are honoring our Ancient ties.

You are seemingly also honoring your tradition of creating multiple users, getting permanently banned and trolling, I see. Using flags of countries (Afghanistan) that you have nothing to do with too, I see.
I think that most Omanis and people of the GCC are unaware of those "ancient ties". If anything those ties were mostly with what is today Pakistan (IVC) and PARTS of Western coastal India and Kerala. Mostly trade ties but of course not only. Of course Arabs have nothing against Indian Muslims and I am not saying that there are no ancient ties but they were mostly with what is today Pakistan due to geography and other reasons (IVC).

 

[cloud4000]

What about Muslims? Do we get free entry?

Qatar relaxed its visa regime after Pakistani protest, may be the same will happen with Oman.

 

[Khafee]

What a reply. Upset? Where? Why? If anything your compatriots based in Oman should be upset. I tagged two of them. Not me.

Why do you think that SOME people end up getting deported from Oman and all countries of the world in fact maybe excluding North Korea)?Could it have something to do with overstaying your work visa, crime, or your services not being needed in sector x or y for time period x or y, thus your presence in country x or y, ends? Why don't you for once appreciate the fact that billions of dollars in remittances are send from the GCC to Pakistan each year. The GCC is not forced to welcome Pakistani workers. There are plenty (trust me) who would gladly take their place. Stop parroting the same nonsense again and again.

As for actual slaves, do you know where the most actual modern-day slaves are based mostly? Yes, in South Asia (India, Bangladesh, Pakistan).

Your own Pakistani media (Dawn):

http://www.dw.com/en/why-modern-slavery-is-widespread-in-asia/a-19295812

Let me quote:

"India tops the list with some 18.35 million modern slaves, followed by China (3.39 million), Pakistan (2.13 million), Bangladesh (1.53 million), and Uzbekistan (1.23 million), the report said."

Are you going to bother about them or does it not matter since the perpetrators are rich Pakistani landlords and other locals? Just asking.



Oman and India have had cordial ties for a long time. This explains why this Indian thread starter tends to create threads solely about Oman on this section of PDF. Oman is an odd ball in the sense that they have cordial ties with the likes of the Iranian Mullah's too. You can consider them a Switzerland or Sweden of the region in terms of foreign policy. They always keep out of all the fights in the region and the Muslim world. Can't say that this has been a bad decision looking at their society and country and how well they are doing. As for "losing", no such thing. Would be incredibly stupid for both parties nor is that the case in the real world.

@Khafee

Do you see Omani Army fighting alongside KSA and UAE?

 

[Azadkashmir]

The source was "The 2016 Global Slavery Index". Dawn was simply publishing their findings along with 100's of other media worldwide.

See, you don't even read the articles or sources that are posted so why should I believe that you are even reading my posts?

You have this idea that all South Asians in the GCC (Oman in this case) are "slaves" and you want to stick with that no matter how ridiculous it is. That's really not my problem.

I mentioned two Pakistani users based in Oman (I know no other ones on PDF but for sure they are there) that you could discuss this with openly here. Maybe you would believe them or learn something new.

I have been reading your posts for a while on PDF and I obviously don't know you personally but I can't be the only user here who has at times (more often than we would like too, I asumme) read your posts and afterwards were left to stare in disbelief. Nothing personal.

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/region/middle-east-north-africa/

Government Response
How are governments in The Middle East and North Africa tackling modern slavery?

In 2015, governments in MENA faced challenges responding to modern slavery but continued to take steps to increase public awareness, build and enhance shelter services, and improve national laws. In some countries, such as Lebanon and Jordan, scores reflected the infancy of policies and laws, with further action required from a range of stakeholders to improve effective national responses. Low scores in other countries, such as Oman and Saudi Arabia, reflected limited political will to recognise the existence of all forms of modern slavery.


Within countries across the region, there remained a concerning lack of coordination and accountability, and a mounting need to address risk factors. Combating modern slavery competed with key national and regional priorities such as combating terrorism, dealing with internal and regional displacement, ensuring economic stability and finding solutions to regional security.[43] Despite this, some governments in the region have the political security and financial ability to reform current practices and implement effective policies. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Bahrain and Qatar, in particular, can and should do more to improve their troublingly low response scores.


Oman needs to do more for combating Modern slavery. It does not have issues like Pakistan.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Do you see Omani Army fighting alongside KSA and UAE?

No, hence the "odd ball" out in the region and the political (in terms of neutrality) comparison with Switzerland and Sweden. They are part of the Islamic Military Alliance though and obviously the GCC. I believe that their policies will change once the current childless Sultan dies.

Anyway it seems that our friend @Azadkashmir disappeared. Maybe he spotted a rich Pakistani landlord somewhere in London that he wants to hit with a baseball bat while speaking English in a Brixton gangsta slang?

Blud vs Fam.

 

[Azadkashmir]

No, hence the "odd ball" out in the region and the political (in terms of neutrality) comparison with Switzerland and Sweden.

Anyway it seems that our friend @Azadkashmir disappeared. Maybe he spotted a rich Pakistani landlord somewhere in London that he wants to hit with a baseball bat while speaking English in a Brixton gangsta slang?

Blud vs Fam.

hey am here, true that how we deal with it. you see in pak and rich gcc countries you can get away but here its everyone for themselves.

 

[livingdead]

noice... oman is on my list then..

 

[Śakra]

Continued:

Wow it's so different from how I pictured Oman to be in my head! Definitely will visit

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Wow it's so different from how I pictured Oman to be in my head! Definitely will visit

Welcome. Especially your avatar.

hey am here, true that how we deal with it. you see in pak and rich gcc countries you can get away but here its everyone for themselves.

No problem mate. Next time I will be in London, I will give you a call. Edgware Road. Are you supporting Arsenal or Tottenham? Or maybe Chelsea?

 

[Śakra]

Welcome. Especially your avatar.

Thx. BTW is it true that the King of Oman is... let's just say he wouldn't feel uncomfortable in San Francesco?

 

[Azadkashmir]

Welcome. Especially your avatar.



No problem mate. Next time I will be in London, I will give you a call. Edgware Road. Are you supporting Arsenal or Tottenham? Or maybe Chelsea?

lolz football i dont support after all they get paid millions i dont. Pakistanis have complained that they do not get support from sponsorships because of asian background. I am not from london only elite like nawaz live there. I am more of slingshot, air rifle, bow and arrow, fishing person etc.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Thx. BTW is it true that the King of Oman is... let's just say he wouldn't feel uncomfortable in San Francesco?

I obviously have no idea but that's what some rumors say. He was once married but he left no heirs. Anyway I don't care. Personally I think that he has been a good ruler of Oman (although I have not always agreed with everything that Oman has been doing foreign policy wise) and he is highly respected by the Omani people (all social classes, all religious sects, all the different ethnic groups) for the progress and changes that Oman has underwent during his rule.

He has ruled Oman for almost 50 years and he is one of the longest ruling monarchs/head of states in the world. On top of my head (recent era) only Ibn Saud, Sheikh Zayed, Isa Ibn Ali Al-Khalifa, Jabar Al-Ahmad Al-Sabah, King Hussein of Jordan had somewhat similar long/historical reigns in the modern era. Forgot the last Iranian Shah (second Pahlavi). Talking about the immediate region here.

lolz football i dont support after all they get paid millions i dont. Pakistanis have complained that they do not get support from sponsorships because of asian background. I am not from london only elite like nawaz live there. I am more of slingshot, air rifle, bow and arrow, fishing person etc.

Cool. So you don't follow any sports or what? Maybe some cricket (I am completely illiterate on this front like most Arabs) or rugby? Let me guess, Manchester? That's not "poor" either. Nor is London "rich". It depends on the area. Rich or poor, it does not matter here.