Okinawa independence movement seeks inspiration from Scotland

[Aepsilons]

The right to self-determination is an integral part of the international trusteeship system. It has nothing to do with terrorism or being a war zone.

Fortunately this does not apply for Okinawa. Okinawa was administered by the United States after the war, and it was later that it was handed back to Japan.

 

[Zsari]

Unfortunately this does not apply for Okinawa.

It applies to any territory that was under international trusteeship, including Okinawa. US transfer of administrative power to Japan did not fundamentally change the status of the islands as the trusteeship was never concluded with an option to self-determination.

 

[Aepsilons]

It applies to any territory that was under international trusteeship, including Okinawa. US transfer of administrative power to Japan did not fundamentally change the status of the islands as the trusteeship was never concluded with an option to self-determination.

Of course it was concluded as the pact was sealed with both parties in agreement, the United States and Japan.

 

[Zsari]

Of course it was concluded as the pact was sealed with both parties in agreement, the United States and Japan.

Too bad, US cannot give to Japan what it does not posses itself, namely the sovereignty of the islands, nor can it conclude the international trusteeship without giving the island the option of self-determination as it is basis of any trusteeship. The only meaningful authority of any pact between the US & Japan without the consultation of the international community and without the consultation of the Okinawan people is the transfer of trusteeship from US to that of Japan.

 

[Aepsilons]

It applies to any territory that was under international trusteeship, including Okinawa. US transfer of administrative power to Japan did not fundamentally change the status of the islands as the trusteeship was never concluded with an option to self-determination.

The overwhelming majority of Okinawans do not favor independence.

A poll was conducted recently and those in favor of independence was 20.6%, those who were against independence and favored the union with Japan was at 64.7%. Those who did favored the majority of voters was at 13%.

Okinawa and the Okinawan people are part of the greater Japanese family. And their union with Japan is everlasting, as specified in the Constitution of Japan.


Reference:
http://www.archives.pref.okinawa.jp/publication/kouza2.pdf

Too bad, US cannot give to Japan what it does not posses itself, namely the sovereignty of the islands, nor can it conclude the international trusteeship without giving the island the option of self-determination as it is basis of any trusteeship. The only meaningful authority of any pact between the US & Japan without the consultation of the international community and without the consultation of the Okinawan people is the transfer of trusteeship from US to that of Japan.

Fortunately for us we could care less about what you think. China has no say in our internal affairs, nor does it matter.

Least of all, someone like you, a known Japan detractor.

 

[Zsari]

The overwhelming majority of Okinawans do not favor independence.

A poll was conducted recently and those in favor of independence was 20.6%, those who were against independence and favored the union with Japan was at 64.7%. Those who did favored the majority of voters was at 13%.

Okinawa and the Okinawan people are part of the greater Japanese family. And their union with Japan is everlasting, as specified in the Constitution of Japan.


Reference:
http://www.archives.pref.okinawa.jp/publication/kouza2.pdf

No survey can replace an actual vote. The Okinawan can accept or reject a referendum to self-determination, but there needs to be one in order to fully & legally conclude the trusteeship. As in the case of Scotland, the percentage is very similar to what you have stated here only a year back.

Fortunately for us we could care less about what you think. China has no say in our internal affairs, nor does it matter.

Least of all, someone like you, a known Japan detractor.

That is what's legal according to international law, not what China or anyone else thinks or says.

 

[Aepsilons]

No survey can replace an actual vote. The Okinawan can accept or reject a referendum to self-determination, but there needs to be one. As in the case of Scotland, the percentage is very similar to what you have stated here only a year back.

That is what's legal according to international law, not what China or anyone else thinks or says.

Of course it doesn't and there never will be one. Period.

 

[Zsari]

Of course it doesn't and there never will be one. Period.

Yes, indeed that is your dilemma. And the legal status of Okinawa will remain to be unresolved. And again, according to international law.

 

[Targon]

I think Japanese people are not as hot headed and irrational as some other regions in the world, I doubt majority of Okinawans wants that as its bullsh.t and they will be the ones who lose.

Beautiful island btw, can imagine what would happen if we had it, houses and hotels everywhere.

I don't understand Chinese comments, these issues are even more serious in your country.

 

[Aepsilons]

Yes, indeed that is your dilemma. And the legal status of Okinawa will remain to be unresolved. And again, according to international law.

There is no legal status issue of Okinawa. Okinawa was part of Japan prior to the 2nd World War, and the Treaty between Japan and the United States specified that Okinawa would be administered by the United States until 1972, by then its administration and control would revert back to Japan. There are no issues here, the majority of Okinawans recognize that they are Japanese and Okinawa as the rest of the Ryukyu are part of Japan.

I think Japanese people are not as hot headed and irrational as some other regions in the world, I doubt majority of Okinawans wants that as its bullsh.t and they will be the ones who lose.

Beautiful island btw, can imagine what would happen if we had it, houses and hotels everywhere.

I don't understand Chinese comments, these issues are even more serious in your country.

Precisely, some Chinese posters here wish the demise and destruction of Japan. To the extent that they actually support the loss of our sovereign territory.

This is odd for us because we Japanese do not even support pro-separatist movements in China. We abide by the One China Policy even abrogating our previous treaty with Taiwan in favor of the PRC, which was prerequisite for our 1978 Treaty of Peace and Friendship between Japan and the People's Republic of China. We support China and recognize Tibet as Chinese territory, we recognize Xinjiang as Chinese territory.

We understand that there are separatist movements there but we Japanese honor our Treaty of Peace and Friendship which explicitly forbids each nation (Japan and China) from getting involved in internal affairs of each other or prevents each other from supporting groups within the country that may destabilize.

Thus we expect our Chinese partners to manifest the same support in kind.

 

[Targon]

I guess they're still in trauma and paranoia, just like Nazi issue in west, some idiots still treats 21th century Germans like they are Nazis.

People should just get over it.

Btw I still have doubts about you being Japanese, didn't forgot photo issue

 

[Aepsilons]

I guess they're still in trauma and paranoia, just like Nazi issue in west, some idiots still treats 21th century Germans like they are Nazis.

People should just get over it.

One has to get over the times. Its just like the Argentinians still claiming the Falkland Islands, or Mexican fringe movements who claim California, Texas and the rest of Southwestern USA as 'historical Mexican lands'. And wish for these lands to be handed back to Mexico.

Yea, good luck to that. LOL!

@Peter C , @gambit , @LeveragedBuyout , @F-22Raptor , @MastanKhan

 

[Borr]

I see a very serious and focus Japanese person here. Sometimes I wonder, since you are also familiar with the culture, why don't see "it"?

This "it" is not about Ok. or anything with arguing about some island is an issue or not an issue according to whatsoever 'law'. Ok. was not an issue before Japan annexed it. It can be made an issue if needed be. That is not important. "It" is all about Japan's side-taking in the long run. Be more comprehensive and do not just focus on small issues as many of politicians from your country do.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

One has to get over the times. Its just like the Argentinians still claiming the Falkland Islands, or Mexican fringe movements who claim California, Texas and the rest of Southwestern USA as 'historical Mexican lands'. And wish for these lands to be handed back to Mexico.

Yea, good luck to that. LOL!

As much as I sympathize with Texas, there is no secession from the Union, as demonstrated by the Civil War. It is far more likely that we take over Mexico than for Mexico to take over a portion of the United States.

I would normally criticize the UK for allowing Scotland to secede, but I sincerely believe that rUK will be much better off without that socialist dead weight, so good riddance.

 

[Aepsilons]

I see a very serious and focus Japanese person here. Sometimes I wonder, since you are also familiar with the culture, why don't see "it"?

This "it" is not about Ok. or anything with arguing about some island is an issue or not an issue according to whatsoever 'law'. Ok. was not an issue before Japan annexed it. It can be made an issue if needed be. That is not important. "It" is all about Japan's side-taking in the long run. Be more comprehensive and do not just focus on small issues as many of politicians from your country do.

Please enlighten me on these issues that require my 'comprehensive' analysis. Please also elucidate me on Japan's "side-taking in the long run" and what you think Japan should be doing to foster a healthy engagement with our neighbors in East Asia.

Thank You.

As much as I sympathize with Texas, there is no secession from the Union, as demonstrated by the Civil War. It is far more likely that we take over Mexico than for Mexico to take over a portion of the United States.

That is one thing I truly admire about the American culture, American nationalism. This emphasis on the unity , continuity of the United States. This glorious concept of American Manifest Destiny.

Even the United States' Pledge of Allegiance reiterates this;

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands,
one Nation under God,
indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all."