Okinawa independence movement seeks inspiration from Scotland

[Aepsilons]

And in blood means heritage. Your comments about this is funny, isn't it?

The Japanese Emperor Kammu is the descendent of the King Moryeong who was Ruler of the Kingdom of Bekjae (Korean Kingdom). This is noted in the Nihon Shoki as well as even in the Korean historical book the Samguk Sagi.

 

[jkroo]

If I failed to address your point, my apologies, i was not trying to offend you in any way. I merely suggested that Yi (Righteousness) is not innate for any group of people. One simply is not born more righteous than one person. Righteousness (Yi) is judged not by man, but by Heaven.



Do you know that the first ruler of the Yamato Dynasty was a Korean from Bekjae ? And it was common custom for the early Dynasty of Japan for the Emperors to marry Korean or Chinese princesses ? If one were to examine the chronology of the Imperial House, the early progenitors are Korean and Chinese royals.

Sorry, your example don't work for me.
Our conceptions is not in the same line but its natural and ok for discussions. What you emphasized is not about the traditional culture which is I am talking about. Could cross country marriage bring you significant culture improvements? I doubt that.
It's off topic now.
Could you please provide some links that show the population figures of Ryukyuan? Last time I read from some news show that there are only 100000 ethnic Ryukyuan.

 

[Aepsilons]

Sorry, your example don't work for me.
Our conceptions is not in the same line but its natural and ok for discussions. What you emphasized is not about the traditional culture which is I am talking about. Could cross country marriage bring you significant culture improvements? I doubt that.

And you are entitled to your opinion. To answer your question , yes, cross cultural marriage does bring cultural infusion because the marriage of a foreign princess (Bekjae or Tang) means that the Princess will eventually rule as Queen Consort of the Emperor. The Queen will raise her child (the future Emperor) with the mannerisms of her people , understanding of the court concepts from her native country. This eventually influences the future Emperor, who then will influence the Ruling Lords (Daimyos), the Samurai class, the gentry class, the commoners et al. This is part of transformational cultural transmission.

Right!
We have the same appearance, the similar culture and the common interest.
With united and merged east Asia, there will be a great market with sufficient population, high tech.
East Asia will be the most important place in the world..
Also it helps to deal with common issue like energy supply, protection of transportation line.
Both the three countries rely so much on outside energy/material supplier and trade with other part of the world..

A united East Asia ? Wow, such an interesting scenario. There was a time under the Tang Dynasty when East Asia was truly in harmony with each other. Everyone flourished. In fact it was during this period when Japan's art culture as well as Korea's art culture blossomed in form. Interestingly enough it was during this period that the diplomatic relations with China reached an all time high. If this happened in our history, who is to say that this is not possible in the future? Right?

 

[punit]

NO.... Okinawa want independence? Oh Why? That mean the Japan economic is collapsing anytime soon. What next Tokyo will want independence too.

chinese wet dreams !

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Philosophy, my dear, is a man made construct. The genetic composition of people exists even before philosophies came about, even before the birth of Kong Zi and the development as well as the spread of Confucianism.

What you mean to say is that Chinese have a cultural association with Yi concept. Sure, of course. Every Confucian civilization adheres and recognizes the principle of Yi. Yi has an equal importance to the rest of the remaining 5 principles. These are all equal in importance to each other.

We have different emphases though; you emphasize 勇，名誉 and 忠 while we emphasize 仁，礼 and 孝。 This leads to the phenomena of ingroup vs outgroup in your society and social fluidity, egalitarianism and independence in ours.

 

[Aepsilons]

chinese wet dreams !

It is as unrealistic as Tibet and Xinjiang declaring independence from the People's Republic of China. And in the spirit of national solidarity and respect, I believe that it is best that Japanese and Chinese not talk such unproductive , divisive themes.

Both the Governments of Japan and the People's Republic of China signed the 1978 Treaty of Peace and Friendship that explicitly states that both Governments will not try to undermine each other by vesting or intervening in each others' internal affairs. This must be respected and honored.

 

[xesy]

A united East Asia ? Wow, such an interesting scenario. There was a time under the Tang Dynasty when East Asia was truly in harmony with each other. Everyone flourished. In fact it was during this period when Japan's art culture as well as Korea's art culture blossomed in form. Interestingly enough it was during this period that the diplomatic relations with China reached an all time high. If this happened in our history, who is to say that this is not possible in the future? Right?

I doubt it, my friend. Up until Tang Dynasty, China was always the major power of Asia, with no countries dared to challange it. Peace at that time was established on the ground that there was only a absolute power, and every other nations were at the mercy of that nation.

Now China is different. It has experienced the defeat and huminliation caused by foreign countries, and the modern Chinese have different POV towards its neighbors compare to their ancestors. Even if China comes back to being number one, history will not be repeated.

 

[jkroo]

And you are entitled to your opinion. To answer your question , yes, cross cultural marriage does bring cultural infusion because the marriage of a foreign princess (Bekjae or Tang) means that the Princess will eventually rule as Queen Consort of the Emperor. The Queen will raise her child (the future Emperor) with the mannerisms of her people , understanding of the court concepts from her native country. This eventually influences the future Emperor, who then will influence the Ruling Lords (Daimyos), the Samurai class, the gentry class, the commoners et al. This is part of transformational cultural transmission.



A united East Asia ? Wow, such an interesting scenario. There was a time under the Tang Dynasty when East Asia was truly in harmony with each other. Everyone flourished. In fact it was during this period when Japan's art culture as well as Korea's art culture blossomed in form. Interestingly enough it was during this period that the diplomatic relations with China reached an all time high. If this happened in our history, who is to say that this is not possible in the future? Right?

In short, Could but not a ‘significant’ one. Overseas students did as doers.
As I know, Japanese, Koreans and Chinese share certain dialects especially certain words. Comparing Japanese and Koreans dialect Korean is somewhat more close to us but Japanese writing is close to us and we can even do some ‘writing talk’ especially with those elder people.
Are there any ethnic Ryukyuan figures? I just want to confirm the figures from news paper, please.

 

[Grand Historian]

Japanese Imperial household never intermarried with the Chinese nobility or scholar-elite.

Japanese have blood relationships with Koreans,while Han Chinese didn't historically mix with Japanese in large numbers.

 

[Huaren]

The things are over,Okinawa is part of Japan just like Tibet and Xinjiang is part of China,if we support the separatism of other countries，then what about the separatism in China?

It is not over in that sense, we all know from where and how much Tibet and Xinjiang separatism are getting their support, from financial aid, political meeting to media support to simple ranting, it is such a "inofficial" support which has long oversteped the bundary, while most of these nation and people never look into the mirror themselves with their minorities wanting independence as well but denied the same kind of support and sympathy. Remember the xinjiang seperatistic organisation in Japan and Germany? and those exiled tibetan "offices" all around the world? Why should China and chinese be the only one who play by the rules? It would be only fair and justice for our people to openly support independence movements in their countries and our government and media should provide same kinds of support and aid like our separatists are enjoying elsewhere, just keep the official statement veiled like other did.

 

[Nike]

Chinese has done this cards for some time in Philippine communist insurgency, Malaya insurgency, Thailand communist insurgency and Myanmar by openly supporting Wa state rebels and supporting them with heavy armament equipment. Chinese is not entirely innocent in this kind of games.

 

[Zsari]

The things are over,Okinawa is part of Japan just like Tibet and Xinjiang is part of China,if we support the separatism of other countries，then what about the separatism in China?

Okinawa was put under international trusteeship after WWII, and according to international law should be given the choice of independence just like East Timor. Tibet & Xinjiang on the other hand never had such status.

 

[senheiser]

The things are over,Okinawa is part of Japan just like Tibet and Xinjiang is part of China,if we support the separatism of other countries，then what about the separatism in China?

so china has US bases in Tibet no one wants? Japan is to be blame for themselves for this movement

 

[Aepsilons]

Okinawa was put under international trusteeship after WWII, and according to international law should be given the choice of independence just like East Timor. Tibet & Xinjiang on the other hand never had such status.

What a truly addlepate statement. Okinawa is not a war zone. Japan is a peaceful nation and we have no instance of terrorism or internal strife as a result of extremist separatism as seen in much larger nations in East and Northern Asia.

If ever there should be an international trusteeship, these larger nations in North Asia and East Asia should be more qualified than Japan, which has one of the highest HDI in the entire world, with GDP per capita considered one of the highest as compared to other neighbors in North and East Asia whose are fractions compared to Japan's.

I doubt it, my friend. Up until Tang Dynasty, China was always the major power of Asia, with no countries dared to challange it. Peace at that time was established on the ground that there was only a absolute power, and every other nations were at the mercy of that nation.

Now China is different. It has experienced the defeat and huminliation caused by foreign countries, and the modern Chinese have different POV towards its neighbors compare to their ancestors. Even if China comes back to being number one, history will not be repeated.

Noted and I agree.

 

[Zsari]

What a truly moronical statement. Okinawa is not a war zone. Japan is a peaceful nation and we have no instance of terrorism or internal strife as seen in much larger nations in East Asia.

The right to self-determination is an integral part of the international trusteeship system. It has nothing to do with terrorism or being a war zone.