Oh India!

[Hellfire]

oooh .... big words. Do you feel smart now ?

You only got 'Human Psychology & Social Behaviour' into the picture instead of answering. So I thought maybe military imperatives of the rationale of my post earlier may, perhaps, be inappropriate for analogical discussion with you. I used the two defence mechanisms for your convenience.

However, I see that you are bereft of any intellectual grasp of the time tested and historical association of proportionality of military power to an insurgent movement only perpetuating a cycle of violence and seem suspiciously ignorant of tenets of fighting a counter-insurgency battle, the likely proportion of actual people harbouring anti-India feeling being statistically irrelevant to paint everyone in the broad strokes of anti-India sentiments.

So, yes, seeing your level of understanding of the subject, I feel smart and pity the naivety and ignorance of our population as a whole.

In short, you tickled me.

Cheers and have a wonderful day.

Separatists can only work if they have some followers .

Separatists are working because we are paying them! Let them be bereft of security, cash payments, freeze their accounts, their movements, let them be at the mercy of the common Kashmiri, trust me, you will find them strung on the nearest pole.

As long as these B#$%^&*S sit there and perpetuate hate, while they are paid money by both India and Pakistan as also through GCC by means of zakat and donations to cause, and they have their children living a normal life as an Indian citizen, the problem will persist.

It is only the common Kashmiri who suffers, who is a daily wage earner, who loses because of bandh and violence depriving him of source of earnings. Where does he get money to feed his children?

If you watch the movie "Singham Returns" there is a dialogue when he goes and lectures the bastiwala over crime and being good citizen, the lady tells they need food .. votes and all dont matter!

That is what is in Kashmir. First, withdraw privileges, remove security, let their children come to Kashmir, confiscate their passports, don't allow their children to leave Kashmir and then leave them open in Kashmir, then see the fun.

And that is what is going to happen now.

 

[Contract Killer]

@OrionHunter @Star Wars

The problem is of our own making. Now the things I had been saying are coming out - our underwriting the separatists who get money from both sides, the nexus of politicians and separatists and the next cycle of 'culling' another generation of Kashmiris! We should have eliminated the separatists and worked at grass roots to negate and deal with the problem. Also we need to stop underwriting the abject failure of Kashmiris themselves in their demonstrated ability to indulge in widespread corruption as government and fomenting separatist emotions while out of it.

Shame



But that is not the solution. That is a temporary fix. Army did what it was tasked to do twice before: 1997 and 2007!

It is a decade long cycle. Repeats every 10 years. What does it point to? The failure of the political class.

Political class has failed us..... agreed.

Only solution in my view is to abolish article 370 from J&K. And allow Citizens from all part of country to buy property and settle down there.

Special offers to Retired defence personals. Make those Wahabis minority & problem is solved.

 

[SrNair]

You only got 'Human Psychology & Social Behaviour' into the picture instead of answering. So I thought maybe military imperatives of the rationale of my post earlier may, perhaps, be inappropriate for analogical discussion with you. I used the two defence mechanisms for your convenience.

However, I see that you are bereft of any intellectual grasp of the time tested and historical association of proportionality of military power to an insurgent movement only perpetuating a cycle of violence and seem suspiciously ignorant of tenets of fighting a counter-insurgency battle, the likely proportion of actual people harbouring anti-India feeling being statistically irrelevant to paint everyone in the broad strokes of anti-India sentiments.

So, yes, seeing your level of understanding of the subject, I feel smart and pity the naivety and ignorance of our population as a whole.

In short, you tickled me.

Cheers and have a wonderful day.



Separatists are working because we are paying them! Let them be bereft of security, cash payments, freeze their accounts, their movements, let them be at the mercy of the common Kashmiri, trust me, you will find them strung on the nearest pole.

As long as these BASTARDS sit there and perpetuate hate, while they are paid money by both India and Pakistan as also through GCC by means of zakat and donations to cause, and they have their children living a normal life as an Indian citizen, the problem will persist.

It is only the common Kashmiri who suffers, who is a daily wage earner, who loses because of bandh and violence depriving him of source of earnings. Where does he get money to feed his children?

If you watch the movie "Singham Returns" there is a dialogue when he goes and lectures the bastiwala over crime and being good citizen, the lady tells they need food .. votes and all dont matter!

That is what is in Kashmir. First, withdraw privileges, remove security, let their children come to Kashmir, confiscate their passports, don't allow their children to leave Kashmir and then leave them open in Kashmir, then see the fun.

And that is what is going to happen now.

Perhaps this is the most suitable time for it .
World changed drastically since 90's .Noone in the West comes for the rescue of the so called HR .

 

[jha]

I see a surge in such articles written by usual suspects, in different news papers, ever since Govt declared intention to cut back money spent on separatists/Hurriyat. Any connection between both or, plain coincidence ?

 

[Hellfire]

Political class has failed us..... agreed.

Only solution in my view is to abolish article 370 from J&K. And allow Citizens from all part of country to buy property and settle down there.

Special offers to Retired defence personals. Make those Wahabis minority & problem is solved.

interesting. What are you views on the recent Modi-Naga Accord of 02 Aug 2016? What do you think about similar autonomy granted there?

And what greater autonomy is there in J&K?

Perhaps this is the most suitable time for it .
World changed drastically since 90's .Noone in the West comes for the rescue of the so called HR .

The issue was being kept alive similar to the issue of poverty in India. Keep Indians in poverty and win votes on poverty alleviation mantra. Or the 'secular' vs 'communal' divide - do we have everyday some Hindu or Muslim killing each other? No. No one gives a damn. It is a shame. To finish Kashmir issue, we need to work at grassroots. Remove the separatists. Withdraw their privileges, increase the costs to them as human beings, for their family their children, force them to stay off street and work for a living, you will see things clear up. Article 370 is NOT a threat. It is irrelevant - like Babri Masjid, merely ignorance propagated.

 

[VivasvatManu]

You only got 'Human Psychology & Social Behaviour' into the picture instead of answering. So I thought maybe military imperatives of the rationale of my post earlier may, perhaps, be inappropriate for analogical discussion with you. I used the two defence mechanisms for your convenience.

However, I see that you are bereft of any intellectual grasp of the time tested and historical association of proportionality of military power to an insurgent movement only perpetuating a cycle of violence and seem suspiciously ignorant of tenets of fighting a counter-insurgency battle, the likely proportion of actual people harbouring anti-India feeling being statistically irrelevant to paint everyone in the broad strokes of anti-India sentiments.

So, yes, seeing your level of understanding of the subject, I feel smart and pity the naivety and ignorance of our population as a whole.

In short, you tickled me.

Cheers and have a wonderful day.

Thankfully one does not need any great intellectual capacity to understand your posts.

Your underlying premise that Kashmir is "special" and one needs to be on the ground to understand this "special" situation.

This assumption is quite laughable and only provides evidence a successful psy ops from pakistan where you acknowledge the "special" status of kashmir and rush to "discuss" kashmir with pakistanis.

I am not interested in refuting your strawman, doing so will only provide credence to your pakistan inspired "debate" on how to "handle" the "special" state of kashmir.

Stone throwing on the street is not "insurgency". its a situation of Lawlessness where people believe the can get away with mass hooliganism and create opportunity to make a few more "innocent victims" as collateral damage.

They are entitled to their "feeling", hate and prejudice, its a poison that will destroy them. What they are not entitled too is to take law into their own hands and bully Cops.

So continue to feel "special" due to your "grasp" on the "complex" situation in kashmir and feel free to mentally masturbate a solution so that it can feed your sense of self worth.

Don't forget to "discuss" kashmir with pakistanis while Claiming "kashmir is an integral part of India" ........... you are not equipped to understand the Irony.

 

[Contract Killer]

interesting. What are you views on the recent Modi-Naga Accord of 02 Aug 2016? What do you think about similar autonomy granted there?

And what greater autonomy is there in J&K?



The issue was being kept alive similar to the issue of poverty in India. Keep Indians in poverty and win votes on poverty alleviation mantra. Or the 'secular' vs 'communal' divide - do we have everyday some Hindu or Muslim killing each other? No. No one gives a damn. It is a shame. To finish Kashmir issue, we need to work at grassroots. Remove the separatists. Withdraw their privileges, increase the costs to them as human beings, for their family their children, force them to stay off street and work for a living, you will see things clear up. Article 370 is NOT a threat. It is irrelevant - like Babri Masjid, merely ignorance propagated.

interesting. What are you views on the recent Modi-Naga Accord of 02 Aug 2016? What do you think about similar autonomy granted there?

And what greater autonomy is there in J&K? Similar Autonomy is not possible in J&K as Hurriyat cannot be trusted. They have masters sitting in neighbor, directly taking orders from them.



The issue was being kept alive similar to the issue of poverty in India. Keep Indians in poverty and win votes on poverty alleviation mantra. Or the 'secular' vs 'communal' divide - do we have everyday some Hindu or Muslim killing each other? No. No one gives a damn. It is a shame. To finish Kashmir issue, we need to work at grassroots. Remove the separatists. Withdraw their privileges, increase the costs to them as human beings, for their family their children, force them to stay off street and work for a living, you will see things clear up. Article 370 is NOT a threat. It is irrelevant - like Babri Masjid, merely ignorance propagated.

interesting. What are you views on the recent Modi-Naga Accord of 02 Aug 2016? What do you think about similar autonomy granted there?

And what greater autonomy is there in J&K?



The issue was being kept alive similar to the issue of poverty in India. Keep Indians in poverty and win votes on poverty alleviation mantra. Or the 'secular' vs 'communal' divide - do we have everyday some Hindu or Muslim killing each other? No. No one gives a damn. It is a shame. To finish Kashmir issue, we need to work at grassroots. Remove the separatists. Withdraw their privileges, increase the costs to them as human beings, for their family their children, force them to stay off street and work for a living, you will see things clear up. Article 370 is NOT a threat. It is irrelevant - like Babri Masjid, merely ignorance propagated.

 

[Hellfire]

I see a surge in such articles written by usual suspects, in different news papers, ever since Govt declared intention to cut back money spent on separatists/Hurriyat. Any connection between both or, plain coincidence ?

Idiots who cry over any action of the GoI. It is a favourite time pass nowadays to oppose ... in the name of right to dissent.

Criticise the airport security the CISF .. including the paralympics medal winner whining about 'disrespect' as he was asked to remove prosthetic leg at Delhi Airport. What the hell was that about?

It is tiered because a terror group can take hostage of 2 or 3 personnels family to get their cadre into an airport, but 5? LOL .. even a terrorist will get bugged by the amount of physical checking of boarding passes at our airport.
And yet, educated Indian bitching about it on Facebook and spreading this ...

Also, giving employment as a reason for tiered security!!!! Just imagine the intellectual bankruptcy.

And cribbing about immigration taking time - go to US, they will shut up and stand for hours as TSA works ... otherwise they will be 'invaded' thoroughly!

I think we should follow UAE's example, don't like the government and the rules, surrender your passport and get out of the country .... confiscate their assets and kick them out of country onto a boat ..let them join the boat people.

Thankfully one does not need any great intellectual capacity to understand your posts.

Your underlying premise that Kashmir is "special" and one needs to be on the ground to understand this "special" situation.

In fact, you missed the point. It is NOT special.

This assumption is quite laughable and only provides evidence a successful psy ops from pakistan where you acknowledge the "special" status of kashmir and rush to "discuss" kashmir with pakistanis.

LOL! Yeah right.

I am not interested in refuting your strawman, doing so will only provide credence to your pakistan inspired "debate" on how to "handle" the "special" state of kashmir.

If you are calling me a Pakistani .. so be it. First you need to read up about the whole genesis of Kashmir non-'issue' and then engage me.

Stone throwing on the street is not "insurgency". its a situation of Lawlessness where people believe the can get away with mass hooliganism and create opportunity to make a few more "innocent victims" as collateral damage.

Your ignorance is amusing. Just how nicely has the 'lawlessness' been countered? Have you been able to establish peace? What is Intifada? What is the mode of replication of intifada tactics in Kashmir and what are the conduits of the same?

They are entitled to their "feeling", hate and prejudice, its a poison that will destroy them. What they are not entitled too is to take law into their own hands and bully Cops.

So continue to feel "special" due to your "grasp" on the "complex" situation in kashmir and feel free to mentally masturbate a solution so that it can feed your sense of self worth.

Don't forget to "discuss" kashmir with pakistanis while Claiming "kashmir is an integral part of India" ........... you are not equipped to understand the Irony.

@Rain Man @Joe Shearer @jbgt90

another one of the dumbos .. who understands naught ...!

@Joe Shearer Bhakt alert!!!

 

[VivasvatManu]

In fact, you missed the point. It is NOT special.

Ya...... that is why you are claiming to be a specialist who has "been on the ground"

If you are calling me a Pakistani .. so be it. First you need to read up about the whole genesis of Kashmir non-'issue' and then engage me.

If name calling was allowed then I would have called you a fool, not a pakstani. Don't bother to educate me since you are clearly not equipped.

Your ignorance is amusing. Just how nicely has the 'lawlessness' been countered? Have you been able to establish peace? What is Intifada? What is the mode of replication of intifada tactics in Kashmir and what are the conduits of the same?

@Rain Man @Joe Shearer @jbgt90

another one of the dumbos .. who understands naught ...!

@Joe Shearer Bhakt alert!!!c

pdf is amusing and Yes, calling for help seems to be your speciality.

First the "help" required to "resolve" kashmir then the help required to help you tackle a "bhakt".

Addressing Lawlessness is a State subject. Handling international terrorists is a Central subject. What needs to be done is for both of them to do their job with objectivity. There is nothing to discuss except the failure of the past central govt. to eliminate pakistani moles and sources of funding in kashmir.

The one good thing this stopping of talks has done is drive all those cretins to the surface where they can now be picked off one by one. So expect a few storm before the lull.

 

[Sneaker]

Now it would be back to 'cordon and search' as well as intel backed 'search and destroy' ops against the 200 or so terrorists in the Valley. It's just 5 affected districts out of 22 that are going to face the music. We've been too lenient to these separatists who number a few thousand out of a population of 11 million in J&K. We need to show some stick now like in 1990-92. Sadly, these paid mercenary stone pelters are going to face not pellet guns but the real deal. They asked for it, they got it.

as one police officer said, people need to be afraid of police just because he is there, we lost it in 2010. too much liniency is bad.. time to put fear of law back into the masses...

 

[Soulspeek]

I fail to understand why do our successive Governments gave so much rope to these separatists! Had this been any other country, these traitors would have been hanged on Lal Chowk or thrown into Jhelum.

We could never take lessons from Prithvi Raj Chauhan. When you have caught a snake, crush is head or else it will bite you whenever it gets chance. Kill these snakes ASAP. No aman ka tamasha and 'baat cheet' with traitors.

 

[Soumitra]

@Rain Man @Joe Shearer @jbgt90

another one of the dumbos .. who understands naught ...!

@Joe Shearer Bhakt alert!!!

You will find many Bhakts and Nationalists on this forum. You wont be able to stop us from expressing our views just by expressing your "intellectual" arguments.

News Alert GOI is also nationalist. So you will find a Nationalist policy being followed by the Govt.There is nothing you can do do but wait till 2019 to change the govt. By the looks of it right now there is very little chance of you succeeding

And calling all your favorite "intellectuals" to help you out will also not work.Your favorite @Joe Shearer left the forum with his tail between his legs. Even you had said that you want to leave. Dont know what happened.

You saw the "Grand Farewell" we gave him in his goodbye thread. The same may be given to you also

 

[Great Sachin]

Pakistani should bring to world forum rather than writing on PDF...learn from Modi ji...he is tearing apart pakistan at world forum

 

[Hellfire]

You will find many Bhakts and Nationalists on this forum. You wont be able to stop us from expressing our views just by expressing your "intellectual" arguments.

There is no 'intellectual' argument. Read what I have written in the thread , very carefully. The member calls it 'lawlessness'. Wonder why Indian Army has been moved into the villages and towns if it was merely lawlessness and not a case of fundamentalistic hatred aka WOT of extremist philosophy? Think hard and let me know my dear self appointed Nationalist Bhakt!

News Alert

GOI is also nationalist. So you will find a Nationalist policy being followed by the Govt.There is nothing you can do do but wait till 2019 to change the govt. By the looks of it right now there is very little chance of you succeeding

News alert darling, I don't need to do anything considering the role played by my family in stitching up western UP for the present government and continues to play in critical areas, you will hemorrhage.

Did tell you joe labelled me also a bhakt ...

And calling all your favorite "intellectuals" to help you out will also not work.Your favorite @Joe Shearer left the forum with his tail between his legs. Even you had said that you want to leave. Dont know what happened.

Oh I had to come back to keep self appointed bhakts in check, who cause more damage through sheer ignorance! And tagging is to give a heads up on the member, I dont need anyone to help me ..... You can continue with your distorted versions, I, will continue to challenge both sides on their respective distorted versions. Somehow I didnt see you active on the Aircraft tail thread .. Wonder why?

You saw the "Grand Farewell" we gave him in his goodbye thread. The same may be given to you also

The bhakt one was for @Joe Shearer ...... wonder why only he was tagged for it?

Grow up. You need to.

 

[Joe Shearer]

There is no 'intellectual' argument. Read what I have written in the thread , very carefully. The member calls it 'lawlessness'. Wonder why Indian Army has been moved into the villages and towns if it was merely lawlessness and not a case of fundamentalistic hatred aka WOT of extremist philosophy? Think hard and let me know my dear self appointed Nationalist Bhakt!



News alert darling, I don't need to do anything considering the role played by my family in stitching up western UP for the present government and continues to play in critical areas, you will hemorrhage.

Did tell you joe labelled me also a bhakt ...



Oh I had to come back to keep self appointed bhakts in check, who cause more damage through sheer ignorance! And tagging is to give a heads up on the member, I dont need anyone to help me ..... You can continue with your distorted versions, I, will continue to challenge both sides on their respective distorted versions. Somehow I didnt see you active on the Aircraft tail thread .. Wonder why?



The bhakt one was for @Joe Shearer ...... wonder why only he was tagged for it?

Grow up. You need to.

Thanks for the tag.