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Obama to withdraw 30,000 troops against Pentagon advice

Ten years in Afghanistan without victory
Published On Tue Jun 21 2011

It’s beyond satire. U.S. Defence Secretary Robert Gates, telling the New York Times what he had learned during his tenure under Presidents Bush and Obama, explained: “I will always be an advocate in terms of wars of necessity. I am just much more cautious on wars of choice.” Gosh, Bob, does that mean you wouldn’t invade Iraq next time?


Afghanistan, by contrast, was a “war of necessity” in Gates’s terms: Official Washington believed that further bad things like 9/11 might happen to the United States if U.S. troops didn’t go to Afghanistan to root out the Al Qaeda terrorists (mostly Arabs) who had been given bases there by the country’s Taliban leadership. It wasn’t a very subtle strategy, but it was certainly driven by perceived U.S. national interest.


Which was the point being made by President Hamid Karzai, the man whom the United States put in power after the 2001 invasion: “(The Americans) are here for their own purposes, for their own goals, and they’re using our soil for that.”

Well, of course. The only other possible explanation would be that Washington had sent half a million young Americans to Afghanistan over the past 10 years in some quixotic quest to raise the Afghan standard of living and the status of Afghan women. That’s ridiculous. Obviously, the motive was perceived U.S. national interest.

So how to explain the emotional response of Karl Eikenberry, the U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan? Speaking at Herat University, he raged: “When Americans . . . hear themselves described as occupiers, told that they are only here to advance their own interest . . . they are filled with confusion and grow weary of our effort here.”

So why have American troops been in Afghanistan for almost 10 years? To keep the Taliban from power, they say, but it’s unlikely that the Taliban leadership ever knew about Al Qaeda’s plans for 9/11. Why would they support an action that was bound to provoke a U.S. invasion and drive them from power? Why would Osama bin Laden risk letting them know about the attack in advance? The U.S. has probably been barking up the wrong tree for a long time.

Now the Taliban are back in force, and the war is all but lost.
The U.S. may think it is about “terrorism” and Al Qaeda, but for Afghans it is just a continuation of the civil war that had already been raging for almost a decade before the U.S. invasion. The Taliban, almost entirely drawn from the Pashtun ethnic group, captured Kabul in 1996, but they never managed to conquer the other, smaller ethnic groups in northern Afghanistan.

The United States stumbled into this civil war under the delusion that it was fighting Islamist terrorists, but in fact it has simply ended up on the side of the Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras. That’s who mans the “Afghan National Army” that the Western powers have been trying to build up with so little success: only 3 per cent of its soldiers are Pashtuns, although Pashtuns account for 42 per cent of the population.


So long as the U.S. forces remain, the Taliban can plausibly claim that they are fighting a jihad against the infidels, but once the Americans leave the war will probably return to its basic ethnic character. That means that the Pashtuns are just as unlikely to conquer the north after the U.S. departure as they were before the invasion.

In the end, some deal that shares out the spoils among the various ethnic groups will be done: that is the Afghan political style. The Taliban will get a big share, but they won’t sweep the board. The American interlude will gradually fade from Afghan consciousness, and the Afghan experience will vanish from American memory a good deal faster.

But in the meantime, President Barack Obama has promised to start withdrawing U.S. troops from Afghanistan next month, and that will be very tricky. Few Americans know much about Afghan realities, and they have been fed a steady diet of patriotic misinformation about the place for a decade.


If the U.S. ambassador to Kabul can get so emotional about a plain statement of fact, imagine how the folks at home will respond when U.S. troops leave Afghanistan without a “victory.” Obama will be lucky to pull this off without a serious backlash.

Gwynne Dyer is a London-based commentator on international affairs and author of The Mess They Made: The Middle East After Iraq.


I think, before departure, US should pay bills on victims' blood and war expenses for his 'new friend' Talibans.
 
They should also be charged with war crimes where aplicable for killing innocents like they are doing with gadaffi. Or dont those rules apply to american criminals.This is why they are realy so frustrated with pakistan. they lose and they undermine our valiant army/isi and try to look for scapegoats for their failures.
 
Save yourself and your family and move to the USA rather than live under tyranny and threat of assassination. Ask for US political asylum.
 
Your numbers are made up and phoney. Stalin killed more folks inside the old USSR than even Hitler.
 
pakistan must not provide 'escape route' to these americans, at any cost, they can go through iran :yahoo::smitten:
 
pakistan must not provide 'escape route' to these americans, at any cost, they can go through iran :yahoo::smitten:

You better hope that if Americans withdraw then they withdraw after some understanding with Pakistan and that too with grace.
Nothing like a wounded pride of a Superpower. As it is Pakistan is made to look like Hitler's Germany in American eyes and making it worse--after Americans leave the region--will invite the wrath of America upon Pakistan.
 
^ Not to worry, it's not long before US breaks up into 10 pieces given its debt. Probably within 5-10 years.
 
Obama fooling all of US about how he is defeating Taliban. :lol:

US pay the warlords to not kill them. Once they stop doing that, hundreds of bodybags will start arriving in US per week.
 
Good news, surge troops to leave by 2012 summer. Wish it could be sooner, but nevertheless. Hope they get a humiliating exit.

I hope this signals the beginning of the end of the instability in Pakistan.
 
Obama says we need to do nation of building of American people now. Its not like Veitnam, America is not defeated, its WON!
 
For this Pakistani blogspace.
Right now, the most 'recommended' Comments at NY Times about Obama speech are by Americans--and they are not happy with Obama. Some are calling this as 70,000+ troops REMAINING by the end of 2012 as the real news.

I have pasted just one Comment here. Perhaps the most sensible one. Comment #15 by Paddy Singh.

Obama Orders Troop Cuts in Afghanistan - Readers' Comments - NYTimes.com

When the Taliban came to power, except for Saudi Arabia and Pakistan none recognised them as a government of a country. Had the West started talks shortly after they came to power in 2009, things would have been very different, instead of letting the country sink into factional anarchy after the Soviets left. Talking to them and recognising them could have brought them into the fold of the civilised world. But with the foreign policy makers of the US being their usual brash selves and ignorant of world affairs, they chose to ignore them. There are countries who after the breakup of the Soviet Union, who reformed themselves under EU pressure so as to be able to join it. Similarly, the Taliban could have been reformed and Osama may have been denied entry instead of the new rulers defying world order and welcoming the terrorist.

Today, and after trillions have been wasted on an unwinnable war, the American public are as tired of the Afghan war as Alexander was. About his futile campaign he wrote, "Here the foe does not meet us in pitched battle, as other armies we have duelled in the past. . . . Even when we defeat him, he will not accept our dominion. He comes back again and again. He hates us with a passion whose depth is exceeded only by his patience and his capacity for suffering". But I doubt if the American military education system ever knew who Alexander the Great was, having been brought up on Jesse James and Billy the Kid and their murderous campaigns.

Watching the news this afternoon, one learned about 5000 troops being lifted out now and the same number by the end of the year. Then on comes John McCain ranting against troop withdrawal. He should read Alexander's summing up his weary Afghan campaign and so should all future leaders because the US, has a habit of waging and losing wars. They cut and run on the slightest of pretexts when things do not go their way. All this money down the drain could have made millions of tomorrows so much better for innocent American citizens fooled by Bush, Chenney, Rumsfield etc. And as a footnote, neither is Iraq won as yet and neither is there any democracy there. Malliki is as bad a dictator as Saddam was, except that the latter was wholly secular.
 
Obama just finished his speech on TV on the draw down.

end of 2011 - 10,000 draw down
latest by September 2012- 23,000 draw down

remainder 66,000 troops , twice the size it was when he came into office.
 
What was the use of sending those 33,000 troops in first place?????

Its a acceptance of American and British DEFEAT!!!
 
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