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A meeting of countries exporting civil nuclear technology has ended with uncertainty about Chinese plans to sell two nuclear reactors to Pakistan.

Such a deal would appear to be against the rules set by the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG).

But the group's annual meeting, held in New Zealand, has revealed divisions in the international response.

China also seems hesitant about spelling out its intentions.

What many NSG members wanted from the Chinese at the meeting in Christchurch was clarity.

Is Beijing really intending to sell two more nuclear reactors to Pakistan? And if so how will it go about it?

This is a highly-divisive issue since any such deal would appear to break the NSG's guidelines.

These rule out the export of civil nuclear technology to countries like Pakistan that have not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and that are known to have developed nuclear weapons.
British misgivings

Several governments were highly sceptical about any further nuclear trading with Pakistan.

In Britain, diplomats accept that Pakistan's energy needs are "huge and increasing".

China may be feeling international pressure and will therefore carefully weigh the pluses and minuses of all its options

Mark Hibbs Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

But the official view in London is that "the time is not yet right for a civil nuclear deal with Pakistan".

This was certainly the view of a number of other NSG members.

The United States too had raised concerns, not least given Pakistan's record as a proliferator of nuclear and missile technology.

In terms of the NSG guidelines, India was in a similar position to Pakistan.

But in 2008 the US pushed through an exemption at the Nuclear Suppliers Group enabling India to buy civil nuclear technology abroad.

And going into this meeting China's logic seemed to be that if the US could get a deal for its friend - India - then China should be able to do the same for its ally - Pakistan.

But in the event China had very little to say. The meeting ended without any clarification of China's intentions regarding Pakistan.

It simply said that any nuclear commerce with Pakistan would be in accordance with it's international obligations.

Nuclear experts believe that the outcome of the Christchurch meeting indicates that the Chinese have not yet decided how they want to play this.

Mark Hibbs of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace has this assessment of China's position: "China was asked by NSG members to spell out its intentions in this matter and it didn't do that.

"China may be feeling international pressure and will therefore carefully weigh the pluses and minuses of all its options before going ahead with this."

Selling more reactors to Pakistan while keeping within the NSG guidelines represents something of a diplomatic conundrum. Other countries will have to be persuaded to go along with the deal.

And it is going to require a lot more information and transparency on the part of the Chinese if Beijing is to have any chance of winning over the sceptics.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia_pacific/10418208.stm
 
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so what is the outcome of this meeting?

there is another news i posted in a seperate thread where it was mentioned that China has already signed a contract with Pakistan on June 8. Everything seems to be little confusing is it China wants to go ahead without seeking approval from NSG?
 
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Wellington: The 46-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG), which finished a two-day meeting in New Zealand on Friday, has called for more consultations and greater transparency on the China-Pakistan nuclear deal.

In what appears to be an indirect reference to the deal, the NSG has said in a statement: "The group took note of briefings on developments concerning non-NSG states. It agreed on the value of ongoing consultation and transparency."

China has agreed to build two nuclear power reactors in Pakistan - a deal that many including India - believe violates the NSG's strict guidelines.


Also, in a big relief for India, the NSG has not banned the transfer of enrichment and reprocessing technology to countries like India, which have not signed the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT) - something the Americans were pushing for.

Sources say that at the NSG meeting in New Zealand, Turkey spoke out against the ban and India's other key partners in nuclear commerce - Russia and France - also sought to defer it. This comes after heavy diplomatic lobbying by India.



NSG calls for more transparency on China-Pak nuclear deal
 
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It is bit strange that Army general going to sign nuclear reactor agreement to produce civilian electricity.
 
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so what is the outcome of this meeting?

there is another news i posted in a seperate thread where it was mentioned that China has already signed a contract with Pakistan on June 8. Everything seems to be little confusing is it China wants to go ahead without seeking approval from NSG?




I am not sure either. There are news that China has signed a deal to build 2 reactors and now this BBC news comes up!:undecided:
 
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It is bit strange that Army general going to sign nuclear reactor agreement to produce civilian electricity.

Zardari doesn't give a sh1t. Thats why. We already have nukes, calm yourself.
 
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Much to India's relief, the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) on Friday failed to adopt new guidelines that would have led to the denial of enrichment and reprocessing (ENR) technology to countries like itself that have not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

In a statement issued at the end of its two-day plenary meeting in Christchurch, New Zealand, the NSG only said, its members “agreed to continue considering ways to further strengthen the guidelines dealing with the transfer of ENR technologies.”

The NSG statement also euphemistically says, “The Group took note of the briefings on developments concerning non-NSG States [and] agreed on the value of ongoing consultation and transparency.”

Diplomatic sources told TheHindu this was a reference to China's desire to sell two new reactors to Pakistan at Chashma in addition to the two that were contracted and approved by the NSG in 2004 as part of the country's pre-existing commitments.


Though no details about the discussions on the Chinese proposal were available, the sources said, the NSG statement's reference to the need for more consultation and transparency suggested a lack of consensus on the issue and perhaps even a face-off.

China has suggested the two new reactors were “grandfathered” by its 1991 agreement with Pakistan and should thus be exempted from the NSG ban on sales to non-NPT countries. Other NSG members have responded by noting that the Chinese side made no mention of a third and fourth reactor when they talked about the Chashma-1 and 2 when they joined the group.

On the ENR issue, consensus on the draft new rules proved elusive, thanks to strenuous lobbying by India and resistance from within the 46-nation cartel by a handful of countries such as Turkey.
In the run-up to the Christchurch meeting, when it became clear the U.S. was trying to get the new restrictions approved, India worked on Russia, France and also Germany to ensure a deferment.

Official sources said New Delhi sent a clear signal to its friends and partners that the NSG's September 2008 exemption must remain unaffected by any changes adopted since that decision was the product of mutual undertakings by both the NSG and India.

Apart from the NPT rule for the ENR sales, the U.S. has been pushing for mandatory adherence to the Additional Protocol as well as tighter restrictions on the sharing of sensitive technologies with countries that have not so far mastered enrichment or reprocessing.

These conditions were initially opposed by Argentina, Brazil, Canada and South Africa. Canada and Argentina have since reportedly fallen into line but Turkey, which is only now embarking on a civil nuclear programme on the basis of cooperation with Russia and South Korea, does not want to be disadvantaged by tougher rules.


The Hindu : News / National : NSG discusses Pakistan deal, defers new ENR rules
 
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They don't want us to have electricity and meet our economic potential.

Fags.

Don't you think it would be better to use the huge coal deposits that Pakistan has? Much cheaper than nuclear. Also, go ahead with importing gas from Iran, if you can withstand US pressure to isolate Iran.
 
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Don't you think it would be better to use the huge coal deposits that Pakistan has? Much cheaper than nuclear. Also, go ahead with importing gas from Iran, if you can withstand US pressure to isolate Iran.

Everything Pakistan does gets criticized by someone.

Coal = USA gets all butthurt over "pollution"
Oil = USA gets butthurt that Iran is having business
Nuclear Energy = Everyone gets butthurt just because it has the word 'nuclear' in it.
 
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Everything Pakistan does gets criticized by someone.

Coal = USA gets all butthurt over "pollution"
Oil = USA gets butthurt that Iran is having business
Nuclear Energy = Everyone gets butthurt just because it has the word 'nuclear' in it.

What about Solar , Wind , hydro , Tidal , geothermal , wave and carbon capture(you can send your coal to China to have under got the process and have it sent back for use in PAK).

It's not as if you have no options. It may not be fair but it's not a dead end.
 
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So this is interesting. There was so much focus on the whole China-Pakistan deal that the one agenda item India was sh1t scared of, i.e. guidelines around denial of enrichment and reprocessing (ENR) technology to Non NPT signatories simply didnt get enough mind share. In hind sight, this item not getting passed probably had a higher importance in India's POV than debate on Pakistan-China commerce. And it looks the meeting went that way.. Intentional or coincidental... Well who cares ;)
 
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What about Solar , Wind , hydro , Tidal , geothermal , wave and carbon capture(you can send your coal to China to have under got the process and have it sent back for use in PAK).

It's not as if you have no options. It may not be fair but it's not a dead end.

Solar - Ridiculously expensive.
Hydro - Dams are being proposed and built, still not enough
Tidal, Geothermal, Carbon Capture - That is not going to supply even 1% of the 180 million people
Send coal to China - more complaints of pollution. But it will be harnessed eventually.

Only Wind power makes sense, but for now Pakistan only has experience in nuclear energy so whats wrong with going for it?

Pakistan Electric Power Company estimates that there is a shortage of 6 gigawatts or about 60% of its total generation.

fossil fuel: 63.7% of total - They will run out
hydro: 33.9% of total - Limited
nuclear: 2.4% of total - Expandable
 
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