NSA talks: Pakistan's even got a dossier on Ajit Doval

[Hindustani78]

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US says 'disappointed' that India-Pak talks called off
Washington, Aug 23, 2015, (PTI)

The US has said it was "disappointed" that the proposed talks between the National Security Advisors of India and Pakistan has been called off.

"We are disappointed the talks will not happen this weekend and encourage India and Pakistan to resume formal dialogue soon," State Department spokesman John Kirby told PTI yesterday.

The spokesperson, however, said the "constructive" interaction between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in Ufa, Russia, was encouraging.

"We were encouraged by the constructive interaction between the leaders of India and Pakistan earlier this year at Ufa, particularly the announcement of dialogue between the countries' National Security Advisors," Kirby said.

Pakistan last night called off the NSA-level talks proposed for today, after External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj earlier yesterday virtually gave an ultimatum to Islamabad to give a commitment that it would not go ahead with meeting separatists.

Swaraj was reacting to Pakistan NSA Sartaj Aziz's remarks that he was willing to come to India for talks without any pre-conditions.

India was also upset over Pakistan including Kashmir as part of the agenda for the NSA talks that was mainly scheduled to discuss terror.

The first-ever NSA-level talks was agreed upon in July in Ufa during a meeting between the prime ministers of India and Pakistan.

Meanwhile South Asia experts in the US blamed Pakistan for the cancellation of NSA-level talks between India and Pakistan.

"The Pakistanis torpedoed the talks by issuing an ill-fated invite to the Hurriyat leadership. But then again, the Indians must have seen that invitation coming, and they could have responded in a more measured way," said Michael Kugelman, South Asia Associate at the Woodrow Wilson International Center, a top American think-tank.

"As the larger country, there's something to be said for India acting more responsibly. It's a shame these talks were cancelled. They wouldn't have yielded anything remotely substantive, but at least they would have brought some breathing room," he said.

Husain Haqqani, the former Pakistan Ambassador to the US who is now director of South and Central Asia at the Hudson Institute, said Pakistan's behaviour follows a well-worn pattern of trying to seek international attention for Kashmir.

"But India under Modi is breaking past patterns. There is definitely greater likelihood of escalation in an environment that is less predictable than the past cycles of terrorist attacks in India, firing on the LOC, Public recrimination, troop mobilisation and finally, standing down under international pressure. Modi does not want to play that game," Haqqani said.

"Posturing on Kashmir gets Pakistan nowhere but its leaders feel they need to do it any way. Pakistan has serious internal issues," he said.

"We need to face them instead of insisting on resolution of a dispute that hasn't been resolved for so long and can wait a bit longer. Pakistan should focus on building prosperity for its people," Haqqani said.

"A one-topic agenda was understandable from New Delhi's perspective but posed great difficulties for the government of Pakistan. The usual maneuvers followed with completely predictable results," said Michael Krepon of the Stimson Center, another American think-tank.

Meanwhile, the India-Pakistan standoff was widely covered by the US media.
"Pakistan cancels talks with India, citing restrictions," headlined The New York Times. "The decision came as the two countries traded barbs over Pakistan's plans to meet with Kashmiri separatist leaders while in India," it said.

"The disagreement weighed heavily on both sides as each positioned itself to blame the other for the failure to hold the talks. India had also stressed that it wanted terrorism to be the only item on the agenda while Pakistan wanted to discuss the dispute over the Kashmir region, which is claimed by both sides," the daily said.

The Wall Street Journal said both sides accused each other of trying to scuttle talks.
"India said Pakistan was attempting to provoke New Delhi into pulling out, citing a sharp pickup in cross-border firing and two militant attacks in India which it said were connected to terrorist groups in Pakistan," the daily reported.

According to The Los Angeles Times, Pakistan's powerful military has shown signs of sidelining Nawaz Sharif, leaving some in Narendra Modi's government skeptical of engaging in talks.




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Advisor to Pakistan's Prime Minister on National Security and Foreign, Affairs Sartaj Aziz, shows dossiers on Indian intelligence agency's involvement in promoting terrorism in Pakistan, during a news conference at the Foreign Ministry in Islamabad, Pakistan, August 22,...
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Why on dossier Indian National emblem instead of Pakistan ?

Pakistan's deceptive diplomacy stands exposed: Nirmal Singh | Zee News
Last Updated: Sunday, August 23, 2015 - 17:05

Jammu: Accusing Kashmir-based separatists and Pakistan of scuttling the peace process, Jammu and Kashmir Deputy Chief Minister Nirmal Singh today said the cancellation of NSA-level talks by Pakistan has exposed its "deceptive diplomacy".

He said Pakistan should not have invited separatist leaders of Jammu and Kashmir when its National Security advisor (NSA) Sartaj Aziz was supposed to meet his counterpart in New Delhi today.

"This is a combined game of both the separatists and Pakistan as they never wanted peace to prevail in the state of Jammu and Kashmir," Singh said.

Claiming that the decision of Pakistan to call off the NSA-level talks was part of its "deceptive diplomacy", Singh said cancellation of the talks has exposed the deceptive diplomacy of Pakistan in front of the entire world.

"Pakistan wanted India to call off the talks and blame it on India in the international forum. This is the real face of Pakistan, calling off the talks has exposed their deceptive diplomacy," he said.

He said that India wanted to have some mechanism to tackle terrorism and that was the main understanding of the Ufa meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif.

"The mechanism to bring peace on the border was the main purpose of this talk. But, they never wanted it. There was no need to invite the Hurriyat and other separatist leaders," Singh said.

Speaking about the outstanding issues that exist between India and Pakistan, including the issue of Kashmir, Singh said that both the separatists and Pakistan were conspiring to ensure that peace never prevails in the state.

PTI

 

[coffee_cup]

Aah that playing terror victim card again.. Not going to work my friend.
Listen to what the world says.. & it goes something like this...you don't keep snakes on your backyard & expect them to bite only neighbours. Now that those snakes are turning back & biting the hands that fed them..you suddenly discovered this terror menace.
You are victim of your own making.. & don't bring countries like Sri Lanka into the mix to give credence to your argument. They are more than capable of handling their issues without being cry babies like you lot.

Look at this hypocrite !!!!

Snakes that you kept in your backyard came hard to bite you, ask Rajiv Ghandi, if he is back in some snake form again. He'll confirm,

 

[JanjaWeed]

Look at this hypocrite !!!!

Snakes that you kept in your backyard came hard to bite you, ask Rajiv Ghandi, if he is back in some snake form again. He'll confirm,

Couple of smileys & a roll on floor doesn't make your argument any cuter. Fact of the matter is you have created a Frankenstein monster which is now turning back on you.. & you want to blame everyone else in the world apart from yourselves.
& you try to justify your inability to control the situation by comparing that to something which is long gone in the past. If anything, you need to learn from other's mistakes in the past...not repeat the same & gloat about it too. It makes you look really stupid.

 

[coffee_cup]

Couple of smileys & a roll on floor doesn't make your argument any cuter. Fact of the matter is you have created a Frankenstein monster which is now turning back on you.. & you want to blame everyone else in the world apart from yourselves.
& you try to justify your inability to control the situation by comparing that to something which is long gone in the past. If anything, you need to learn from other's mistakes in the past...not repeat the same & gloat about it too. It makes you look really stupid.

Fact of the matter is that Indians were keeping those snakes loooooong before even the term was tossed. Indian trained terrorists turned their guns on their own masters.

Indian trained suicide bomber killed Rajiv Ghandi.

See what happens when you keep snakes in your backyard. Have you seen the mirror yet?

Indians have not learned anything yet, Indian sponsorship of cross-border terrorism has only increased with the take over of the govt. by hindu radicals. These are facts, and we do not expect from Indians like you living in Utopia to admit these.

 

[JanjaWeed]

Fact of the matter is that Indians were keeping those snakes loooooong before even the term was tossed. Indian trained terrorists turned their guns on their own masters.

Indian trained suicide bomber killed Rajiv Ghandi.

See what happens when you keep snakes in your backyard. Have you seen the mirror yet?

See...you are still trying to justify your current action by comparing to something which was long gone & is the part of history now. As I said earlier..you learn from past mistakes of others...not repeat the same & gloat about it. Obviously denial seems to the trait... & not wanting to learn seems to be the characteristic.

Indians have not learned anything yet, Indian sponsorship of cross-border terrorism has only increased with the take over of the govt. by hindu radicals. These are facts, and we do not expect from Indians like you living in Utopia to admit these.

Everything looks yellow to a jaundiced eye. Just 'cause the world looks at you as the one who does all the above things, doesn't mean same is true for others as well. Wishful thinking...but it's only going to remain in your little fantasy world.

 

[Hindustani78]

'300 terrorists waiting to infiltrate into India from Azad Kashmir' | Zee News

Last Updated: Monday, August 24, 2015 - 19:34
New Delhi: Around 300 terrorists belonging to outfits like Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad are waiting for opportunities to sneak into India from Azad Kashmir (Azad Kashmir) where 17 terror camps are being run with active support of Pakistan's intelligence agency ISI and Army.

This is part of a dossier that was prepared by India to be handed over by National Security Adviser Ajit Doval to his Pakistani counterpart Sartaj Aziz during the now-cancelled talks here, government sources said today.

They said intelligence agencies have detailed information about the 17 camps being run by LeT, JeM, Hizbul Mujahideen and a few other groups with active support of ISI and Pakistani Army.

The intelligence agencies have gathered pin-pointed information about the locations of the camps, exact strength of each of the camp and which camp is operation under direct supervision of which formation of Pakistan Army, they said.

Around 300 terrorists, trained in these camps, are ready with arms and ammunition, awaiting for opportunities to infiltrate into Jammu and Kashmir, the sources said, citing the dossier.

India had also prepared a separate dossier on underworld don Dawood Ibrahim, in which it was said that he has nine residences in Pakistan, including one bought near the house of Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, son of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, two years ago.

Dawood, who is known to frequently change his locations, stays in Pakistan, the dossier said, adding the new residence he bought is located at Shireen Jinah Colony near Ziauddin Hospital, Cliffton, Karachi.

"This accommodation was purchased in September, 2013 and is located near the hospital where medical treatment could be provided to Dawood whenever required. This place is close to the residence of Bilawal Bhutto Zardari..," the dossier reads.

Apart from this house, the other places where he regularly frequents are: Moin Palace, near Abdullah Shah Gazi Dargah, Cliffton, Karachi, 6A Khyabar Tanzeem, Phase V, Defence Housing area, Karachi, ISI safe house located on Bhoubhan Hill, around 20km from Islamabad on Islamabad-Muree Road, P 6/2, street no.22, House no. 29, Maragalla Road, Islamabad, 17 C P Bazar Society, Block 7-8, Amir Khan Road, Karachi, 30th street in Phase 6 extension of DHA in Karachi, 8th floor of Mohran Square near Pardesi House 3, Tawar area, Cliffton, Karachi and a palatial bunglow in the hilly area of Nooriabad, Karachi.

"Dawood is known to frequently change his locations and addresses in Pakistan. He has amassed immense property in Pakistan and moves under the protection of Pakistani agencies," the dossier said.

PTI

 

[Arsalan]

This is a PTCL bill ....

See any difference ?

What are you suggesting? can you please explain what difference you are pointing to? Hope you can explain in detail so it is easy for all to understand.

 

[Hindustani78]

On ABP News for a show titled "Press Conference" to which The Hindu was invited, Mr. Basit said Pakistan had requested additional talks between the Foreign Secretaries. Photo: Special Arrangement

We never wanted NSAs to discuss Kashmir: Basit - The Hindu

Pakistan High Commissioner’s remark marks a shift in position.
Pakistan never demanded the inclusion of Kashmir and other issues on the agenda of talks between the National Security Advisers (NSA), says Pakistan High Commissioner Abdul Basit. In what seems to be a marked shift in position, Mr. Basit said that Pakistan had requested additional talks between the Foreign Secretaries to discuss “outstanding issues like Kashmir” and the “modalities for taking the dialogue forward,” and suggested sending Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhury along with NSA Sartaj Aziz to Delhi. However, he said, the Indian government rejected the Pakistani request.



“The fundamental reason for the cancellation of talks was that we differed on the interpretation of the Ufa agreement. We never wanted to broaden the agenda. We wanted the NSAs to speak only on terrorism, and we had many things to discuss on that. But we wanted to use the opportunity to discuss the way forward as well,” Mr. Basit said in response to a question from The Hindu, participating in a television show “Press Conference” on the ABP News Channel.



The MEA didn’t respond to requests for a comment on the High Commissioner’s latest comments. Speaking to The Hindu, however, a senior official confirmed the Pakistani request for a meeting between the Foreign Secretaries. “We received the note verbale requesting the inclusion of FS Chaudhury in Mr. Aziz’s delegation to Delhi some weeks before the talks, and it was under process. Then we realised from their public pronouncements that Pakistan didn’t want a simple pull-aside meeting between the Foreign Secretaries but were making it into something much bigger.”



In the week before the NSA meet that had been scheduled for August 23-24, both Mr. Aziz, and Mr. Basit had made statements insisting that Kashmir would be on the agenda of the talks. Asked if Mr. Basit’s latest statement represented a change in Pakistan’s position on NSA talks, the official said his words “didn’t square up” with other utterances the Pakistan government was making.



Modi’s U.N. visit



The High Commissioner’s appearance on the ABP News TV show, that is yet to be aired, comes ahead of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s upcoming visit to the U.N. later this month. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who is also visiting Washington in October, is expected to attend the same special session commemorating 70 years of the U.N.



When asked if the Prime Ministers could meet on the sidelines of the summit, or that the NSA talks that were cancelled could now take place in New York, Mr. Basit refused to answer.



“There must be clarity on what the meeting can achieve. As High Commissioner, I would always wish that the two sides can sit and talk together,” he added.