Notify PAF Aircraft Crashes

[Esgalduin]

We all are saddened by the loss as such but lest not downplay the cause for which W/C Noman Akram was there.. be it show or anything else; these professionals are there on purpose. It will be better to stick with the topic and discussion in view of tactical aspects only. Also, it will be appreciated to not to post irrelevant tweets of those getting satisfied over an incident as such while they miserably failed when faced PAF in broad daylight. For those low lives; here is the message that they will face Noman Akram every time.

In regard to causes, nothing is clear as of yet whether a technical fault or highly risked maneuver. Not to forget that W/C Noman Akram was one of the best among pilots & the man wasn't a nave jockey.

Personally, am really saddened by the loss and cannot put it in words. Let's farewell our brother with honour and stand up-to his dedication & devotion.

Exactly, it is perfectly all right to respectfully debate how it could have happened but second-guessing the pilot's state of mind (considering his fine professional caliber) is a cuntish move. We must take great care to be descriptive rather than prescriptive. As for the Indians, let them bark. Any fighter pilot regardless of nationality will hopefully not be reacting with such glee, given the fact that they understand how tough, potentially fatal, and unpredictable a job this is.

 

[StormBreaker]

On Karachi roads, when ever we see young boys doing stunts on bikes, we don't cheer, we call them crazy, idiots and often say jub accident hoga na phir pata chaley ga. Same situation here. Just for the sake of few minutes entertainment, we end up losing a precious plane and a very skillful pilot. Now who is idiot here... Who will question paf chief... Well no body

Please don’t derail the topic. Bikes and corrola’s aren’t meant for stunts or drifts, for that purpose, there are dedicated vehicles.

Fighter jets are designed specifically for stunts and they are part of Air Combat...

 

[Enigma SIG]

Was it a compressor stall at the top end of the curve? Might be a bird-strike.

 

[Esgalduin]

On Karachi roads, when ever we see young boys doing stunts on bikes, we don't cheer, we call them crazy, idiots and often say kub accident hoga na phir pata chaley ga. Same situation here. Just for the sake of few minutes entertainment, we end up losing a precious plane and a very skillful pilot. Now who is idiot here... Who will question paf chief... Well no body

Dumb of you to place the blame squarely on the chief's shoulders. 23rd March parade and flypast is a long established Pakistani tradition and is dictated more by political considerations than by the whims of the air chief. Furthermore, looking at stats may have caused the authorities to not err on the side of caution, given F16's relatively great safety record and the established precedent of a F16 solo demo.

 

[SecularNationalist]

F-16s have ACES-2 ejection seats, not Martin Baker.

http://www.ejectionsite.com/f16seat.htm

Well whatever the point is unlike those Chinese ejection seats ,American seats in F-16s are extremely reliable.

 

[CT-9914 "Snoop"]

On Karachi roads, when ever we see young boys doing stunts on bikes, we don't cheer, we call them crazy, idiots and often say jub accident hoga na phir pata chaley ga. Same situation here. Just for the sake of few minutes entertainment, we end up losing a precious plane and a very skillful pilot. Now who is idiot here... Who will question paf chief... Well no body

Are down ratings only available for mods to give?

 

[Caprxl]

We don't need valuable F16s during 23rd march air shows. Lesson learnt today.. Did we or not. This role should had been transfered to JF17s only because we can always produce a brand new Jf17 at will but not F16. Now let us mourn on our stupidity and sheer over confidence.

Brother brother brother , i cannot find a common ground with you so am going to end this discussion with you just by saying,

" mistake or no mistake, atleast try to honour your fallen brother, he had d guts, d mind to reach in that Cockpit & sit there, he was there in those dark cold nights when none of us knew what was going on in d skies, he was there in broad day light when we enjoyed our victory & stop mourning over a fuc**** piece of equipment that can be replaced and accounted for but not d MAN "

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

are you fine with loosing a great pilot even in a JF17?
we will get new machines sooner or later, An F16 will get covered by two new JF17 during strike mission. Worst is lose of life, we lost an asset today, it doesn't matter which machine it was, it was the Pilot that deliveredt wrath to the enemy.....

I meant we don't need to perform daredevil moves often be it F16 or Jf17 but if our airforce management is bend on showing off every now and than atleast maintain care in using F16 or use Jf17 only. F16 use for airshows should had been banned long time back keeping their limited numbers in our inventory.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

I meant we don't need to perform daredevil moves often be it F16 or Jf17 but if our airforce management is bend on showing off every now and than atleast maintain care in using F16 or use Jf17 only. F16 use for airshows should had been banned long time back keeping their limited numbers in our inventory.

These moves are norms during training and gunfights. Even more riskier moves are involved. Fighter Jet is a very very complex machine.

 

[SecularNationalist]

 

[StormBreaker]

Was it a compressor stall at the top end of the curve? Might be a bird-strike.

Bird strike is always followed by a plasma of blood and debris out of the nozzle, not the case here...
The compressor stall is what i as well gave a thought to but the shallow loop seems better explanation

 

[aliyusuf]

إِنَّا لِلّهِ وَإِنَّـا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُونَ
Very sad news.
A loss indeed.
May Allah Grant the soul of the deceased ascension to Jannah and solace to his loved ones.

 

[Amaa'n]

Winner of Sher Afghan trophy as the Best Marksman is something that proves a Pilot’s worth, He was indeed a Huge Asset, All those years of practice and hardwork, Gone in a loop !!!

Machines can come again, and sooner F-16s will lose their worth in PAF, but our best assets are our Pilots.

indeed brother....he was best of the best and a gem.....that post by Salza is upsetting and disrespectful

 

[Haris Ali2140]

إِنَّا لِلَّهِ وَإِنَّا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُونَ‎

 

[StormBreaker]

indeed brother....he was best of the best and a gem.....that post by Salza is upsetting and disrespectful

Not to forget, it wasn’t Block 52 on 27 Feb but an average MLU.
But the success was due to our Pilots, not some Aircraft or it’s variants.
Even with F-7, it was our pilots that outsmarted the F-22 pilot. What more can i say now !!