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‘Not in keeping with brotherly ties’: FO condemns ‘unprovoked’ shelling by Afghan forces in Chaman

here is the thing, just look at the 'gormint' in Pakistan! a bunch of crooks and thieves have been forced onto the nation.

Then the harami establishment in bed with Pakistan Daku Movement.

In the light of this factor do you think that Pakistan has any standing on the world stage?

Look where we were, where we have ended up now.

Bajwa and his loyal cronies need to be hanged.
 
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Afghanistan has become a riddle for the country, to be or not to be... friendly.

US and west want bad relationship with the Taliban govt in Afghanistan and Pakistan, India too.

Just months ago Pakistan and Talibans were great friends in IK govt.
 
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Source of them publicly condemning TTP?

I see the value but I also don't see them as being trustable or reliable. There's millions of Daod Khan's in Afghanistan...





The reality with the leadership is completely different but there were also some troublemakers from the Pak side that fired towards them also and vice versa but that doesn't say anything but their politics..

They would have declared Jihad for long time ago if that was there intention they have been in office more nearly 2 years now but they don't want that but see Pakistan as an important player in the region who sits solidly against India hence why disrupt that..


They aren't dumb really? What alternative is there to Pakistan ask yourself this question? This specific Kabul regime unlike it's previous one use actully their brains... Also the current leaders in Kabul are much smarter then these in Islamabad in geopolitics..

If you are an Afghan IEA official why the fuk would you want Bharti gangu garbage on your borders it is that simple why Pakistan is important to be excactly where they are in their calculus
 
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The reality with the leadership is completely different but there were also some troublemakers from the Pak side that fired towards them also and vice versa but that doesn't say anything but their politics..

They would have declared Jihad for long time ago if that was there intention they have been in office more nearly 2 years now but they don't want that but see Pakistan as an important player in the region who sits solidly against India hence why disrupt that..


They aren't dumb really? What alternative is there to Pakistan ask yourself this question? This specific Kabul regime unlike it's previous one use actully their brains... Also the current leaders in Kabul are much smarter then these in Islamabad in geopolitics..

If you are an Afghan IEA official why the fuk would you want Bharti gangu garbage on your borders it is that simple why Pakistan is important to be excactly where they are in their calculus
You have some fair points although I don't think they care who they border or if Pakistan is an enemy of India as it doesn't make much of a difference to them.

But how long can IEA try to maintain a completely positive posture towards Pakistan long-term, if the vast majority of the Taliban members and civillians want a confrontation with Pakistan over the border dispute?

They need to gain the trust and respect of their population and generally ease them up to the idea that Pakistan is not an enemy, and the past issues are done with. They must convince them to let go of the hatred that was bred in the past regimes.
 
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here is the thing, just look at the 'gormint' in Pakistan! a bunch of crooks and thieves have been forced onto the nation.

Then the harami establishment in bed with Pakistan Daku Movement.

In the light of this factor do you think that Pakistan has any standing on the world stage?

Look where we were, where we have ended up now.

Bajwa and his loyal cronies need to be hanged.
Yep Pak army is too busy and good in political engineering rather than protecting borders, when you show weak response expect more aggression from rogue Taliban.
 
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Your thread was trash recently bro and you are overreacting for no reasons.. No sane Pakistani would say such things about our afghan brethens.

Afghanistan has a great value for us that can't be understood by laymen like you believe me Afghanistan is important for our greater security and economic connectivity..

Also the Afghan leadership support Pakistan stability and they have publically condemned TTP for causing unnecessary disruption. IEA want a prosper Pakistan not the other way around..

The IEA Afghan elite support Pakistan's territorial integrity and Pakistan's right to exist as brotherly nation. IEA leadership is nothing like the past gov'ts of Afghanistan they are wise and pragmatic.

Accidental gunshoots by individual's on the ground shouldn't be intepreted as if Kabul attacked etc etc or jump the gun because every individual joe can fire from both sides even a random civilian joe..

There is no anti-pakistani political sentiment in IEA today like there was previously with the ANA gov't.. There were people like Amrullah Salah saying in everyday interview nuke Pakistan in the gov't of the previous regime..
Then if we are dealing with Disobedient (to the IEA) Taliban officers and fighters on the Afghan side, the IEA has to better vet and only put people on the border that will follow orders from Kabul.

Second, our troops and civilians need better protection, so that if a miscreants gets a hold of weapons near our troops or civilians we can at least have the people get to shelters where they can ride out any attack.

Third, and probably the hardest thing will be the IEA will have to allow us to finish the fence in peace and without incidents where people try to harass (verbally or with physical means) our FC or army troops.

A hotline can be made at each border crossing between each sides officers in command, to nip any issues or allegations in the bud, should they arise, such as the allegation an Afghan woman was harassed trying to cross the border.

Pakistan and Afghanistan can also turn each border crossing into a fortified trading post, so that people can bring goods and services to the location, and not have to official cross the border one way or the other. If people cross for medical reasons, a hospital should be set up at the border. If they cross for access to products available in Pakistan but not in Afghanistan or vis a versa, then that should be done at the trading post. The goal being that the crossing and the border lien should become seen as a place that benefits both nations and instead of feeling like a hinderance to get through, especially in a time of need, it becomes an asset to people living along it, as well as the closest location for people to get vital goods and services.

Should hostilities break out between the two countries these trading posts can be shutdown (except for the most vital humanitarian goods and services like medical care), so show that convenience provided by good relations comes at the price of maintaining good relations.
 
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• ISPR says ‘measured response’ given to uncalled-for aggression, which injured 16
• Kandahar official says one security man killed, 13 injured on Afghan side
• FO says such incidents not ‘in keeping with brotherly ties’
• Border crossing closed for a few hours


QUETTA: At least seven people lost their lives and 16 others suffered injuries on Sunday in Chaman, which came under heavy gunfire and artillery shelling by Afghan border forces, the military’s media wing said.

Pakistani troops retaliated against the “unprovoked and indiscriminate” fire, the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) said in a statement, without giving details of any losses on the other side.

The ISPR described the incident as “uncalled-for aggression” and said Pakistani troops had given a “befitting” but “measured response” and avoided targeting civilians on the other side.

It said Pakistani authorities had approached their counterparts in Kabul to highlight the “severity” of the situation, demanding strict action to prevent a repeat of such incidents.

The Foreign Office condemned the shelling, saying “such unfortunate incidents are not in keeping with the brotherly ties between the two countries”.

“The Afghan authorities have been informed that recurrence of such incidents must be avoided and strictest possible action must be taken against those responsible,” it said in a statement. The FO said authorities in both countries remained in contact to ensure there was no escalation of the situation.

The busy Afghan border crossing at Chaman, used for trade and transit, was closed for a few hours before reopening, officials said. The crossing was closed for several days last month after similar violence.

Officials said the exchange of fire took place between Pakistani and Afghan troops when some people from the other side tried to cut a fence near the border village of Lala Mohammad, which resulted in the closing of the Friendship Gate at the Chaman border crossing. However, after half an hour, the border was reopened for traffic and pedestrians.

A little later, Afghan forces started firing between Shoukat and Ilyas Pakistani border posts, prompting a response from Pakistani troops, officials said, adding that Afghan troops then started using artillery and mortar shells, targeting civilian settlements.






Some mortar shells landed on a road leading to the border area and the Nato market.

In Afghanistan, however, a spokesman for Kandahar’s governor, Ataullah Zaid, appeared to link the clashes with the construction of new checkpoints on the Afghan side of the border, the AP news agency reported.

Incident ‘accidental’

Videos received from Chaman city showed a cloud of dust after a shell fell on the border road near the city, according to the BBC Urdu service.

A person could be heard saying the mortar had just landed. In another video, a person named Ghousullah was saying that five shells had landed. He said one of them fell on the hotel in which three people were killed. One shell fell on the shop in which people must have been injured while two shells fell in the garden.

Zahid Saleem, additional chief secretary for Balochistan’s home and tribal affairs, told Dawn that an emergency had been declared in Chaman and Quetta hospitals.

Dr Rasheed Tareen, deputy medical superintendent at the Chaman district hospital, told Dawn the hospital had received six bodies that received splinters of mortars and artillery shells. Of the injured, seven were in critical condition, he said, adding: “We are referring the critically wounded to Quetta.”

As for casualties on the Afghan side, the ISPR statement was silent, and so was Afghan official Noor Ahmad, who spoke to Reuters from Kandahar, the province on the Afghan side of the border.

Mr Ahmad said the incident was “accidental” and the situation had returned to normal after the two sides had a meeting.

However, Mr Zaid, the Kandahar governor’s spokesman, told local media in Chaman by phone that one Afghan security man was killed and 13 people were injured, including 10 soldiers and three civilians.

Officials condemn attack

Balochistan Chief Minister Abdul Qudoos Bizenjo expressed concern over the incident. “I hope the federal government will ensure an immediate and effective solution to this problem at the diplomatic level.”

He ordered the district administration of Chaman to provide full support to the people affected.

Interior Minister Rana Sanaullah condemned the attack and requested the Balochistan government to provide full support and assistance to the affected citizens.

“Details are being collected regarding the tragic incident that took place on the Pak-Afghan Chaman border,” he said on Twitter, adding that news about the deaths of Pakistani citizens was “extremely painful and saddening”.


Railways Minister Khawaja Saad Rafique said the “unprovoked shelling” was a “shameful act”.

“Pakistani forces took the best action by not targeting the Afghan civilian population as part of retaliatory action,” he tweeted. “The Afghan government should bring the reasons for the attack forward and bring those responsible for the tragedy to justice.”


PPP leader Asif Ali Zardari also condemned the attack and regretted the loss of lives. “The peaceful policy of the Pakistan Army in the region should not be considered a weakness,” he warned.

Former information minister Fawad Chaudhry said the PTI had been drawing attention to the “deterioration of relations with Afghanistan” for several months, adding that the incident was only further evidence about that.

Condemning the incident, he questioned who was responsible for the state of relations with Afghanistan and the rise in terrorism.


Published in Dawn, December 12th, 2022

We STILL playing the "brotherly"? I've studied these people enough. I dislike saying it, but this is where Israeli and US kind of response is needed. They kill our 3, we take out 30 (not going to 300 as the Americans or Israelis wouldv'e done that). Until they SEE the immediate reaction and destruction from us, these barbaric animals DO NOT understand any other language.

The US uses "overwhelming force" as their war strategy. That's what we have to do here. Overwhelming force to a nature that will hurt bad. Once or twice it would be the case and then "true brotherly" relations will be establish. When your enemy supported by your arch rival India, feels your response would be weaker, that's what they'd do, continue to do barbaric attacks. Twice overwhelming force with mass casualties and these people would turn "brotherly" very quickly. There was a reason why after Zarb e Azb and Raddul Fassdad they kept silent for many years.

Gandoo generals

STOP insulting our commanders WITHOUT having a damn day's experience in serving on this border and knowing the realities! What's stopping the military is our weakened financial condition and THAT is a sin committed by your lord IK! But you won't ever call that idiot wrong! Had he DONE just a LITTLE bit of work instead of ALL BULLSH*IT, we'd be much better off today.
 
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