North’s missiles tied to Musharraf blunder

[OrionHunter]

1st of do we care no can u indians tell me how many of your missiles are fully opertnl NOW dont even talk about 1999

the main reason of Pak nukes is 2 stop india if these missiles were a failure India would have attacked Pakistan but they didnt even have the guts 2 cross loc after 1999 and every time they stationed their army at border that tells You How good Pakistani missiles are you dont need some story or article to tell you how good thing or not facts show that Still Now Pakistan is way ahead of indians missile tech the only thing in indian stockpile works which is from russian origin So Guys chill Dont give Us that indigenous crap we aint indians who just paint every thing with mighty indigenous title
and still if u think pak missile dont work why dont u fire 1 and u will se those missiles work or not

What were you smoking when you wrote this twaddle? Try Afghan weed instead. The quality is far better!

 

[Albatross]

The way they spanked PA's bottom?? don't think that's gonna happen

I think the ideal solution would be to implement UN resolution and that stipulates that first Pakistan removes all it's troops and Governance from Pakistani Kashmir - here you have a problem - you have acceded a part of it to China - now first that needs to be taken back and vacated, also according to the UNSC resolution India can choose to have it's troops in Indian Kashmir, and then when the UN says that the situation is satisfactory we can think of a plebiscite.

well first thing first ...you guys spent 20 bllion then which is todays 100 billion dollars...while we spent hardly i guess a few lacs on bullets....we lost around 400 men and indian losses were 3-4 thousand men so who is in loss....

well I dint ask you to conduct plebiscite because UN asked so that thing is dead and buried...And nehru went there crying to ask help Pak dint go and i wish if we hadnt stopped we would have had all kashmir...

Now some geography lessons dumbo aksai chin is a part of gilgit -baltistan and was never part of kashmir go n study first kiddo and straigten your facts before posting...

Now we ask you to take kashmiries opinion as thats the democratic way of taking people opinion and is being exercised regularly around the globe.Pak has no issue in his part of kashmir and has hardly 50 thousand troops in whole area and even most of them are at LOC...

why dont yu take their opinion and let the whole world know that Pakistan was creating false rumors and kashmiries love india??? why not do it once and nip the evil in the bud...

 

[SEAL]

IF it reaches India!
Read the Japan Times, even the last one fired on 28th Nov 2012 dropped all its 'bits and pieces' in Sind. Sind is not in India.

It was fired from Punjab dumbo, missile travelled atleast 700km.
Hats off to your mind.

 

[illusion8]

well first thing first ...you guys spent 20 bllion then which is todays 100 billion dollars...while we spent hardly i guess a few lacs on bullets....we lost around 400 men and indian losses were 3-4 thousand men so who is in loss....

well I dint ask you to conduct plebiscite because UN asked so that thing is dead and buried...And nehru went there crying to ask help Pak dint go and i wish if we hadnt stopped we would have had all kashmir...

Now some geography lessons dumbo aksai chin is a part of gilgit -baltistan and was never part of kashmir go n study first kiddo and straigten your facts before posting...

Now we ask you to take kashmiries opinion as thats the democratic way of taking people opinion and is being exercised regularly around the globe.Pak has no issue in his part of kashmir and has hardly 50 thousand troops in whole area and even most of them are at LOC...

why dont yu take their opinion and let the whole world know that Pakistan was creating false rumors and kashmiries love india??? why not do it once and nip the evil in the bud...

you gave a retarded reply to a sound post.

You actually believe your Generals and your text books that say only 400 PA died in 48? okie dokie
what about the other 25,000 or so terrorists from Pakistan that were killed by Kashmiri police and the RR till date?

you must be a blooming idiot to think that the Kashmiri's will talk only of Kashmir and not of the whole state plus all the area's that you took over in 1948 that includes G&B and your Kashmir.

You must be an idiot to think that Pakistani solution will be ever implemented by India.

You must be an Idiot to not go by ground realities in Kashmir and take the Madarsa + your media BS on Kashmir as facts.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

It was fired from Punjab dumbo, missile travelled atleast 700km.
Hats off to your mind.

But Genius, it fell in Dadu on the heads of the villagers there, Dadu is in Pakistan.
The debris was photographed by the Pakistani Media and reported in Pakistan.
Now are Pakistani Missiles supposed to fall in Pakistan on Pakistani heads?
What should I say about your mind now?

Anything now about net-centric warfare?

 

[Albatross]

you gave a retarded reply to a sound post.

You actually believe your Generals and your text books that say only 400 PA died in 48? okie dokie
what about the other 25,000 or so terrorists from Pakistan that were killed by Kashmiri police and the RR till date?

you must be a blooming idiot to think that the Kashmiri's will talk only of Kashmir and not of the whole state plus all the area's that you took over in 1948 that includes G&B and your Kashmir.

You must be an idiot to think that Pakistani solution will be ever implemented by India.

You must be an Idiot to not go by ground realities in Kashmir and take the Madarsa + your media BS on Kashmir as facts.

Dumboo i was talkin about kargil...now just tell me why cant you hold a plebiscite to tell world how much kashmiries love you..
read history gilgit-baltistan was never under control of raja who acceded to india dumboo ...they speak bulti while kasmiri speak their kasmiri language...and that was already our part we dint take that in 48..
Just read before posting ...

 

[illusion8]

Dumboo i was talkin about kargil...now just tell me why cant you hold a plebiscite to tell world how much kashmiries love you..

this thread isn't about Kashmir - it's about your failed rockets that kept exploding sometimes on villages and farms and other times landing in Iran and Afghanistan - so let's stick with that, I don't think you qualify mentally yet to discuss about the complicated issue of Kashmir, let's leave it to our very able diplomats.

 

[Safriz]

The times this news report is mentioning was when Pakistan had nuclear weapons but no reliable delivery systems,and thats why korean technology was brought in,botched and deployed in haste and accuracy wasnt required.
400-500 meter CEP is fine for nuclear weapons.
But in later years the guidence system was worked upon inhouse and improved...CEP is much better now.
One thing many people dont know is that Soviet SS-20 Missile's guidence system was sold in large numbers in Black market,and many countries benifited from this 'sale'.
Iran being one and most probably both Pakistan and India..The underworld mafia who were selling them didnt care who was buying as long as they paid...

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...hed-laser-guided-missile-6.html#ixzz2JTnbG7NB

 

[SEAL]

But Genius, it fell in Dadu on the heads of the villagers there, Dadu is in Pakistan.
The debris was photographed by the Pakistani Media and reported in Pakistan.
Now are Pakistani Missiles supposed to fall in Pakistan on Pakistani heads?
What should I say about your mind now?

Look now you are retreated from your own statement and your mental condition is quite worrisome bro, i accepted the fact that Ghauri is not successful series. The test you are talking about missile was fired from Punjab and some parts of it fell in Dadu Sindh bottom line is it travel nearly 700-900km which is good enough to target Mumbai, in nuke war it doesn't matter whether parts are felling on Paan wala, chai wala or some village near Mumbai. I hope you get my point this point.

 

[Machoman]

ISLAMABAD – A retired Pakistani nuclear scientist has claimed that former Pakistani leader Gen. Pervez Musharraf’s 1999 military adventurism in the Kargil region of divided Kashmir failed in part because the North Korea-aided, nuclear-capable Ghauri missiles he wanted to deploy then had a faulty guidance system.
Speaking on condition of anonymity, the scientist said that during the Kargil crisis of May-July 1999, Musharraf, who was then army chief, “wanted to deploy Ghauri missiles, but air went out of his balloon when the top general in charge of the missile program told him the missile had a faulty guidance system.”
Over a year earlier, on April 6, 1998, Pakistan had carried out what it described as a successful first test of the intermediate-range ballistic missile, developed by Khan Research Laboratory with North Korean assistance.

Even Musharraf, who witnessed that Ghauri launch as a local corps commander, had been led to believe it was a success then, according to the nuclear scientist, who until recently had long been closely associated with the country’s nuclear and missile programs.

The truth, he said, is that the ballistic missile failed to reach its predesignated impact point in Pakistan’s southwestern province of Baluchistan and its debris could not be found — something that would have undermined the missile’s deterrent effect if it were made public.
Military experts and strategists have pondered why Musharraf, immediately after he became chief of the army staff in October 1998, began planning the ill-fated incursions across the volatile Line of Control in disputed Kashmir, sparking the worst outbreak of fighting since the India-Pakistan war of 1971 even though he knew Pakistan could not prevail in an all-out conventional war with its neighbor.

During the May-July 1999 conflict, the two sides fought a two-month limited war in Kargil that led to over 1,200 fatalities and added to fears of a nuclear showdown before then-U.S. President Bill Clinton helped broker a ceasefire and Pakistani withdrawal.

Musharraf’s gamble in Kargil has since been interpreted by many as an effort by Pakistan, aside from gaining a tactical advantage by occupying dominating positions in the Kargil Heights, to test the deterrence value of its nuclear weapons.

The untold story, according to the scientist, is that Musharraf was unaware of the Ghauri missile’s faulty guidance system even as he oversaw the covert occupation by Pakistan troops and mujahedeen “freedom fighters” of the inhospitable, snowbound outposts in Kargil that the Indian Army had vacated for the winter.

He said Musharraf only learned the truth in March 1999 from Lt. Gen. Zulfikar Khan, who then commanded the army’s Combat Division.

Musharraf then ordered another Ghauri test, which took place on April 14, 1999, just three days after India tested its Agni-2 intermediate-range ballistic missile and several weeks before India detected the extent of the Pakistani side’s penetration in Kargil.

But this test also failed, with the missile overflying its target and falling across the border in the Sistan region of southeastern Iran, the scientist said. It, too, was publicly declared a success, however.
The scientist’s remarks were corroborated by two other nuclear scientists and another knowledgeable source who confirmed that the two missiles tested in 1998 and 1999 both failed to impact at the predesignated points in Baluchistan.

While Pakistan claimed the Ghauri missiles were designed and produced indigenously, they were actually Nodong missiles supplied by North Korea and re-engineered in Pakistan to extend their strike range.

The scientist claimed that after the second test, North Koreans were invited to a meeting at army headquarters in Rawalpindi, where they were confronted with the fault in their technology.

“The North Koreans started talking left and right but were told to open their eyes and take care of the guidance system in their Nodong missiles,” said the scientist, who was privy to the meeting.

Musharraf, he said, initially wanted to return the Nodong missiles to North Korea, from which it had imported 40 in knocked down condition in the mid-1990s. But then the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission undertook to replace the guidance with that of the country’s Chinese-aided Shaheen missile, he said.

Last Nov. 28, the improved version of Ghauri was test-fired and the government — true to form — declared it a success. Soon afterward, however, it was found to have exploded in midair and rained metal debris over parts of Sindh Province.
Pakistan’s disgraced nuclear scientist, Abdul Qadeer Khan, whose laboratory develops nuclear warheads for Pakistan’s missiles, concedes there was a row about the Ghauri’s accuracy.

But he ridicules the assertion that Musharraf wanted to return them over their faulty guidance system, saying, “What difference does it make if a nuclear-tipped missile falls 1 km left or right of the predetermined impact point?”

Khan claims Musharraf merely sought to return them because Pakistan had insufficient funds to pay back what it owed for them.

The Kargil crisis happened in the wake of six nuclear tests carried out by Pakistan in May 1998, which triggered sanctions against the country and led a drastic fall in foreign exchange reserves.

Pakistan suffered a serious military and diplomatic setback after successful Indian military action and intense international pressure forced it to unconditionally pull back behind the Line of Control as part of the U.S.-brokered ceasefire.
In his autobiography, published in 2006, Musharraf called it a “myth” that the two sides had come to the brink of nuclear war during the conflict and dismissed as “preposterous” speculation that Pakistan was preparing for a possible nuclear strike on India then.

“I can also say with authority that in 1999 our nuclear capability was not yet operational. Merely exploding a bomb does not mean that you are operationally capable of deploying nuclear force in the field and delivering a bomb across the border over a selected target,” he wrote.

Critics of Musharraf’s action often refer to the Kargil conflict as a “misadventure,” saying it was badly conceived and executed, while he wrongly assumed the world would sit back idly.

Instead of considering the Kargil as a blunder, Musharraf, who has been living in exile since quitting politics in 2008, claims it actually brought the Kashmir issue back into international focus and helped pave the way for a solution.

However, tension between the nuclear-armed neighbors, which have fought three wars since partition in 1947, two of them over Kashmir, has remained high since the Kargil conflict.

North’s missiles tied to Musharraf blunder | The Japan Times

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[shree835]

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The scientist claimed that after the second test, North Koreans were invited to a meeting at army headquarters in Rawalpindi, where they were confronted with the fault in their technology.

“The North Koreans started talking left and right but were told to open their eyes and take care of the guidance system in their Nodong missiles,” said the scientist, who was privy to the meeting.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/01/28/asia-pacific/norths-missiles-tied-to-musharraf-blunder/

 

[Anees]

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