North Korea unveils new submarine-launched ICBM

[PeaceGen]

China, on the other hand, cares only about itself (i think).
Russia, same thing.

And North Korea and Iran are the brave foolish pawns / bishops / rooks of "the game".

Let me make things Clear for you. American soldiers during ww2 raped Europeans. Here in this link, you can see that. This is the one that you are guarding its interests
European theater
Rhine meadow camp atrocities (see James Bacque).

In the Laconia massacre, U.S. aircraft attacked Germans rescuing survivors from the sinking British troopship in the Atlantic Ocean. Pilots of a United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) B-24 Liberator bomber, despite knowing the U-boat's location, intentions, and the presence of British seamen, killed dozens of Laconia's survivors with bombs and strafing attacks, forcing U-156 to cast its remaining survivors into the sea and crash dive to avoid being destroyed.

The "Canicattì massacre" involved the killing of Italian civilians by Lieutenant Colonel George Herbert McCaffrey. A confidential inquiry was made, but McCaffrey was never charged with any offense relating to the massacre. He died in 1954. This fact remained virtually unknown in the U.S. until 2005, when Joseph S. Salemi of New York University, whose father witnessed it, reported it.[54]

In the "Biscari massacre", which consisted of two instances of mass murder, U.S. troops of the 45th Infantry Division killed roughly 75 prisoners of war, mostly Italian.[55][56]

According to an article in Der Spiegel by Klaus Wiegrefe, many personal memoirs of Allied soldiers have been wilfully ignored by historians until now because they were at odds with the "greatest generation" mythology surrounding World War II. However, this has recently started to change, with books such as The Day of Battle, by Rick Atkinson, in which he describes Allied war crimes in Italy, and D-Day: The Battle for Normandy, by Antony Beevor.[57] Beevor's latest work suggests that Allied war crimes in Normandy were much more extensive "than was previously realized".[58]

Historian Peter Lieb has found that many U.S. and Canadian units were ordered not to take enemy prisoners during the D-Day landings in Normandy. If this view is correct, it may explain the fate of 64 German prisoners (out of the 130 captured) who did not make it to the POW collecting point on Omaha Beach on the day of the landings.[57]

Near the French village of Audouville-la-Hubert, 30 Wehrmacht prisoners were massacred by U.S. paratroopers.[58]

In the aftermath of the 1944 Malmedy massacre, in which 80 American POWs were murdered by their German captors, a written order from the headquarters of the 328th U.S. Army Infantry Regiment, dated 21 December 1944, stated: "No SS troops or paratroopers will be taken prisoner but [rather they] will be shot on sight."[59] Major-General Raymond Hufft (U.S. Army) gave instructions to his troops not to take prisoners when they crossed the Rhine in 1945. "After the war, when he reflected on the war crimes he authorized, he admitted, 'if the Germans had won, I would have been on trial at Nuremberg instead of them.'"[60] Stephen Ambrose related: "I've interviewed well over 1000 combat veterans. Only one of them said he shot a prisoner ... Perhaps as many as one-third of the veterans...however, related incidents in which they saw other GIs shooting unarmed German prisoners who had their hands up."[61]

"Operation Teardrop" involved eight surviving captured crewmen from the sunken German submarine U-546 being tortured by U.S. military personnel. Historian Philip K. Lundeberg has written that the beating and torture of U-546's survivors was a singular atrocity motivated by the interrogators' need to quickly get information on what the U.S. believed were potential missile attacks on the continental U.S. by German submarines.[62]


Photo allegedly showing execution of SS troops in a coal yard in the area of the Dachau concentration camp during its liberation. April 29, 1945 (U.S. Army photograph)[Note 1]
Among American WWII veterans who admitted to having committed war crimes was former Mafia hitman Frank Sheeran. In interviews with his biographer Charles Brandt, Sheeran recalled his war service with the Thunderbird Division as the time when he first developed a callousness to the taking of human life. By his own admission, Sheeran participated in numerous massacres and summary executions of German POWs, acts which violated the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907 and the 1929 Geneva Convention on POWs. In his interviews with Brandt, Sheeran divided such massacres into four different categories.

1. Revenge killings in the heat of battle. Sheeran told Brandt that, when a German soldier had just killed his close friends and then tried to surrender, he would often "send him to hell, too." He described often witnessing similar behavior by fellow GIs.[63]2. Orders from unit commanders during a mission. When describing his first murder for organized crime, Sheeran recalled: "It was just like when an officer would tell you to take a couple of German prisoners back behind the line and for you to 'hurry back'. You did what you had to do."[64]3. The Dachau massacre and other reprisal killings of concentration camp guards and trustee inmates.[65]4. Calculated attempts to dehumanize and degrade German POWs. While Sheeran's unit was climbing the Harz Mountains, they came upon a Wehrmacht mule train carrying food and drink up the mountainside. The female cooks were first allowed to leave unmolested, then Sheeran and his fellow GIs "ate what we wanted and soiled the rest with our waste." Then the Wehrmacht mule drivers were given shovels and ordered to "dig their own shallow graves." Sheeran later joked that they did so without complaint, likely hoping that he and his buddies would change their minds. But the mule drivers were shot and buried in the holes they had dug. Sheeran explained that by then, "I had no hesitation in doing what I had to do."[66]Rape
Main articles: Rape during the liberation of France and Rape during the occupation of Germany
Secret wartime files made public only in 2006 reveal that American GIs committed 400 sexual offenses in Europe, including 126 rapes in England, between 1942 and 1945.[67] A study by Robert J. Lilly estimates that a total of 14,000 civilian women in England, France and Germany were raped by American GIs during World War II.[68][69] It is estimated that there were around 3,500 rapes by American servicemen in France between June 1944 and the end of the war and one historian has claimed that sexual violence against women in liberated France was common.[70]

Horrible things happen during, and in the aftermath, of any war.
War is exactly what i'm trying to prevent.
Are you doing the same?

 

[Arian]

You fail to understand that you're dealing not with the USA, not with the EU, not with The Netherlands, nor Brittain.
You're dealing with NATO (as a whole!)...

And i'm here as a civilian(!) representative of that alliance.
Best you treat me with a little more respect than you have so far.
Because for smart readers, that don't even post into this thread, i've already won the arguments that we're in.

I did mention NATO actually. Didn't I? In case of a global conflict, NATO will be at a disadvantage against an alliance that includes China + Russia + Iran + North Korea. Add Pakistan to the list as well because they are currently a strategic partner of China.

A civilian does not really represent a military alliance. I don't see what argument you won, do enlighten me.

 

[PeaceGen]

I did mention NATO actually. Didn't I? In case of a global conflict, NATO will be at a disadvantage against an alliance that includes China + Russia + Iran + North Korea. Add Pakistan to the list as well because they are currently a strategic partner of China.

A civilian does not really represent a military alliance. I don't see what argument you won, do enlighten me.

You ignored my earlier words too, man.
I already said that we hold *back* the majority of our military strength these days.

Any temporary advantage that the Socialist + Chinese + Islamic alliance holds over NATO is soon countered.

This is called 'a multi-polar world'. Ever since the old USSR and China developed a nuclear arsenal of their own, we've had that. So you're right, we're moving towards a multi-polar world.

But that does not mean that you can insult or threaten us. THAT, we won't allow.

Now, we are both smart and reasonable over here. It's why we can put up with those pesky loud gays these days. It's also why we can defend ourselves from any realistic threat, because we got both nukes, anti nukes, cyber defense tools, and now an outer-space defense force too (because we've become reliant on a civilian satellite infrastructure, and believe it or not, we PROTECT our vital infrastructures WITH the the counter-threat of full scale war which might result in nuclear holocaust).

It's also clear, that IF and WHEN Iran and North Korea can adopt a 'no first use' policy for their (future) nuclear arsenals, and stick to that policy publicly and regularly, then we'll ALLOW it.

See, the freedom of free speech laws of NATO and it's dearest allies allow people like me to speak (in reasonable but assertive and sometimes loud tones) AGAINST my own governments of NATO. And *that* gives people like me (and many others in our media industry for instance) a limited but real ability to PROTECT the "rise" (growth, really, from infancy to young adulthood to full adulthood) of what we believe is a fatally flawed system of government; islamic fundamentalism and socialism.

are you starting to "get it" already?

 

[Arian]

You ignored my earlier words too, man.
I already said that we hold *back* the majority of our military strength these days.

Any temporary advantage that the Socialist + Chinese + Islamic alliance holds over NATO is soon countered.

This is called 'a multi-polar world'. Ever since the old USSR and China developed a nuclear arsenal of their own, we've had that. So you're right, we're moving towards a multi-polar world.

But that does not mean that you can insult or threaten us. THAT, we won't allow.

Now, we are both smart and reasonable over here. It's why we can put up with those pesky loud gays these days. It's also why we can defend ourselves from any realistic threat, because we got both nukes, anti nukes, cyber defense tools, and now an outer-space defense force too (because we've become reliant on a civilian satellite infrastructure, and believe it or not, we PROTECT our vital infrastructures WITH the the counter-threat of full scale war which might result in nuclear holocaust).

It's also clear, that IF and WHEN Iran and North Korea can adopt a 'no first use' policy for their (future) nuclear arsenals, and stick to that policy publicly and regularly, then we'll ALLOW it.

See, the freedom of free speech allows people like me to speak (in reasonable but assertive and sometimes loud tones) AGAINST my own governments of NATO. And *that* gives people like me (and many others in our media industry for instance) a limited but real ability to PROTECT the "rise" (growth, really, from infancy to young adulthood to full adulthood) of what we believe is a fatally flawed system of government; islamic fundamentalism and socialism.

are you starting to "get it" already?

What military strengths are you holding back? LOL Do tell us. Is it a new series of gay parades that you're holding back?

You have no manpower to counter anything. You're doomed to be honest. Your society has been divided and your populations are declining if you exclude immigration from other countries, most of which happen to be countries that you want to fight against them and consider them threats.

China was never a global power before 2003. It was a developing nation that was predicted to turn into a global power soon, but it was at most a middle power. Today's China is nothing like China in the early 21st century. They are a completely different country now.

Europe is suffering from huge internal problems caused by massive immigration in recent years. You can barely provide internal security, let alone neutralizing threats on the global level. We all saw what happened when Trump decided to abandon you guys. You had never felt so vulnerable before.

You are no one to allow anything. The only country that can talk like that is the United States. The entire European continent without the United States is a joke as I stated earlier. And even the United States has failed to prevent Iran and North Korea from developing advanced nuclear programs; the later has hydrogen bombs now.

The freedom of speech in Europe means that if you cast doubt on the fictional 6 million figure regarding the Holocaust, you will be put in jail for 5 years or sometimes more than 20 years while if you imprison your daughter for 18 years and sexually abuse her all the time, you'll get a 5 year jail sentence in some Nordic countries.

I think you're starting to get it already.

 

[_NOBODY_]

This thread is about NK's SL-ICBM not about Iran vs Netherlands.
@waz @The Eagle Please clean this thread.

 

[Arian]

This thread is about NK's SL-ICBM not about Iran vs Netherlands.
@waz @The Eagle Please clean this thread.

We are not discussing Iran vs Netherlands, but rather the Eastern bloc against the Western bloc. I know those terms are outdated and do not apply anymore, but those blocs are forming again in the new world order.

 

[PeaceGen]

What military strengths are you holding back? LOL Do tell us. Is it a new series of gay parades that you're holding back?

LOL, we don't reveal *the details of that* to those who are (for now) our enemies!

You have no manpower to counter anything. You're doomed to be honest. Your society has been divided and your populations are declining if you exclude immigration from other countries, most of which happen to be countries that you want to fight against them and consider them threats.

i went to a civilian school for martial arts.
it was developed by a Dutch soldier who spent time in a Japanese prisoner-of-war camp in Indonesia.
it's a very effective and LETHAL combat system.
it's got schools all over the country these days, and is used as The means by which we can train our entire population (in very short order, within months) to engage in battle field combat.
i adjusted it for civilian applications (aka no lethal strikes any more) and put it onto youtube.

China was never a global power before 2003. It was a developing nation that was predicted to turn into a global power soon, but it was at most a middle power. Today's China is nothing like China in the early 21st century. They are a completely different country now.

And it's our hidden and our published military might that will keep them reasonable!

Europe is suffering from huge internal problems caused by massive immigration in recent years. You can barely provide internal security, let alone neutralizing threats on the global level. We all saw what happened when Trump decided to abandon you guys. You had never felt so vulnerable before.

I live in a major Dutch city. And while there are the occasional little problems with aggressive youths of some cultural group vs some other cultural group, we all get along, especially as adults, and we group together when facing external threats.
So you're in for a real surprise if you ever threaten NATO countries or populations for real.
What works in the small, works in the large too, in this case.

You are no one to allow anything. The only country that can talk like that is the United States. The entire European continent without the United States is a joke as I stated earlier. And even the United States has failed to prevent Iran and North Korea from developing advanced nuclear programs; the later has hydrogen bombs now.

You might as well stop insulting me. You will not get me angry, or make me make mistakes in my argumentations here.

The freedom of speech in Europe means that if you cast doubt on the fictional 6 million figure regarding the Holocaust, you will be put in jail for 5 years or sometimes more than 20 years while if you imprison your daughter for 18 years and sexually abuse her all the time, you'll get a 5 year jail sentence in some Nordic countries.

i doubt those are the actual numbers. or you're pointing out something that we could improve over here.
either way, it is of little relevance so long as China is realistically accused of torturing people in their "re-education camps", and while Iran is probably still executing homo sexuals once they're found.

I think you're starting to get it already.

Yeah.. i get that you're not the smartest of this class called defence.pk

 

[_NOBODY_]

We are not discussing Iran vs Netherlands, but rather the Eastern bloc against the Western bloc. I know those terms are outdated and do not apply anymore, but those blocs are forming again in the new world order.

By all means you may discuss that topic but this isn't the appropriate thread for that.

 

[waz]

Off-topic posts will be deleted folks.

 

[Arian]

LOL, we don't reveal *the details of that* to those who are (for now) our enemies!

i went to a civilian school for martial arts.
it was developed by a Dutch soldier who spent time in a Japanese prisoner-of-war camp in Indonesia.
it's a very effective and LETHAL combat system.
it's got schools all over the country these days, and is used as The means by which we can train our entire population (in very short order, within months) to engage in battle field combat.
i adjusted it for civilian applications (aka no lethal strikes any more) and put it onto youtube.

And it's our hidden and our published military might that will keep them reasonable!

I live in a major Dutch city. And while there are the occasional little problems with aggressive youths of some cultural group vs some other cultural group, we all get along, especially as adults, and we group together when facing external threats.
So you're in for a real surprise if you ever threaten NATO countries or populations for real.
What works in the small, works in the large too, in this case.

You might as well stop insulting me. You will not get me angry, or make me make mistakes in my argumentations here.

i doubt those are the actual numbers. or you're pointing out something that we could improve over here.
either way, it is of little relevance so long as China is realistically accused of torturing people in their "re-education camps", and while Iran is probably still executing homo sexuals once they're found.

Yeah.. i get that you're not the smartest of this class called defence.pk

I invite you to continue the discussion in the Iranian Chill Thread. See you there.

 

[PeaceGen]

This thread is about NK's SL-ICBM not about Iran vs Netherlands.
@waz @The Eagle Please clean this thread.

One topic *can* lead into another.
The record clearly shows that i was provoked for daring to speak up about North Korea's provocative and threatening action of developing nuclear ICBMs that can be fired from *submarines*.

And i won't stand in the way of the discussion returning to the topic of submarines made in North Korea either.

I invite you to continue the discussion in the Iranian Chill Thread. See you there.

Link please?

 

[Arian]

Link please?

I mentioned you there.