No proof against Hafiz Saeed, can't put him in jail to please anyone: Pak

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Until hafiz saeed is hanged, nothing can move forward between india and pak.

Can't hang him on the basis of speculation alone - the man has repeatedly and categorically denied his role in the Mumbai attacks, and the fact that the Pakistani High Commissioner in Indian can point out to the INDIAN media while in INDIA, that there is no evidence to convict HS sends a pretty clear message that despite GoI and Indian media propaganda about "dossiers of evidence against HS", there is very little in the way of any credible evidence to implicate or convict him.

 

[me_itsme]

Hafiz sad for president of PAkistan is the best goddam idea ever. Pakistan is going to reach new heights and become a global power where people are gonna live in peace and harmony. Out of all the people in pakistan , Mr.sad is the most talented n capable Pakistani there is. He is going to become the new father of pakistan and Pakistanis.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

He is an International terrorist but not national - As per Pakistan standards..

He hasn't been convicted for terrorism in any non-Indian court. Even the US has only been able to announce a reward for "information leading to his conviction", so how on earth can you claim that HS is an "international terrorist"?

 

[EagleEyes]

may every kid in pakistan idolise this great human rights activist .

Source? Or is that taught in your schools?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

may every kid in pakistan idolise this great human rights activist .

With the amount of attention Indians give the man, it would appear that he is idolized far more in India than Pakistan

No proof against Hafiz Saeed, can't put him in jail to please anyone: Pak

OK Pakistan, do not put him in a jail, but as a signatory of the UN, and a responsible member of a comity of nations, its your responsibility to hand him over, this "International terrorist" to US authorities...Where the bounty of $10 million US Dollars stands on his head....

1. The bounty is for information leading to his arrest and/or conviction, and not a "bounty on his head" - in other words, the US has no credible evidence to implicate him in terrorism.

2. Being a signatory of the UN places no requirement on Pakistan to extradite/hand over Hafiz Saeed to the US - where did you get that idea from?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

What proof was there against Osamaji Bin Laden??

He admitted to planning/supporting the 9/11 attacks:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/29/international/30osamaCND.html?_r=0

 

[WAR-rior]

1. The bounty is for information leading to his arrest and/or conviction, and not a "bounty on his head" - in other words, the US has no credible evidence to implicate him in terrorism.

2. Being a signatory of the UN places no requirement on Pakistan to extradite/hand over Hafiz Saeed to the US - where did you get that idea from?

I hope U can provide a credible UN website or some US institution website to prove ur claim. Coz if thats da case then it shud be clearly mentioned in their list.

Hafeez Saeed is a clear cut LISTED TERRORIST whose assets are asked to be freezed. Nothing facesaving story like BOUNTY FOR EVIDENCE of urs.

SECURITY COUNCIL AL-QAIDA AND TALIBAN SANCTIONS COMMITTEE APPROVES
AMENDMENTS TO ENTRIES OF SIX INDIVIDUALS, ONE ENTITY ON CONSOLIDATED LIST

 

[Bratva]

don't be so naive.. pakistan has a "thousand cuts" policy against India.. as you can't win a conventional war .. he is one of those pawns.. just like talibs and haqqanis.

Snakes in your backyard won't bite only neighbours: Hillary to Pak - NDTV

and what's indian Miltary Intel secret unit cum RAW is doing in Balochistan Fata ? Don't deny you don't train Afghan NDS. You get only what you pay for.

And I got a very factual reply for your talibs and haqqani rants. Just to put things and you in perspective so no more delusional rants ruin this thread further. Since you quoted your Dear Hilary,,, hear what she has to say American role in creating talibs and Haqqanis

^ (Youtube link, Hilary admitting america role in nurturing talibs and haqqani's)

Haqqani In white house

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I hope U can provide a credible UN website or some US institution website to prove ur claim. Coz if thats da case then it shud be clearly mentioned in their list.

Straight from the State Department website:

"The U.S. Department of State has authorized a reward of up to $10 million for information leading to the arrest or conviction of Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LeT) founder Hafiz Mohammad Saeed ..."
Rewards for Justice - Lashkar-e-Tayyiba Leaders Reward Offers

Please notice the clear reference to "information leading to the arrest or conviction", which means that the US does not currently have any credible "information that could lead to the arrest or conviction of Hafiz Saeed".

Hafeez Saeed is a clear cut LISTED TERRORIST whose assets are asked to be freezed. Nothing facesaving story like BOUNTY FOR EVIDENCE of urs.

SECURITY COUNCIL AL-QAIDA AND TALIBAN SANCTIONS COMMITTEE APPROVES
AMENDMENTS TO ENTRIES OF SIX INDIVIDUALS, ONE ENTITY ON CONSOLIDATED LIST

A UN designation is not the equivalent of a court trial, and the UN designation does not place any requirements on Pakistan to arrest Hafiz Saeed or extradite him to another country. The UN designation places certain restrictions on the finances and inter-State movement of HS, but that is pretty much it.

So, your turn to 'save face'.

 

[WAR-rior]

Straight from the State Department website:

"The U.S. Department of State has authorized a reward of up to $10 million for information leading to the arrest or conviction of Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LeT) founder Hafiz Mohammad Saeed ..."
Rewards for Justice - Lashkar-e-Tayyiba Leaders Reward Offers

Please notice the clear reference to "information leading to the arrest or conviction", which means that the US does not currently have any credible "information that could lead to the arrest or conviction of Hafiz Saeed".

A UN designation is not the equivalent of a court trial, and the UN designation does not place any requirements on Pakistan to arrest Hafiz Saeed or extradite him to another country. The UN designation places certain restrictions on the finances and inter-State movement of HS, but that is pretty much it.

So, your turn to 'save face'.

OK. If thats what u understand bout this article then do explain why is it written very clearly in assertive form rather than probablity form.

"Hafiz Mohammad Saeed is the founder of Lashkar-e-Tayyiba, which was designated by the U.S. Department of State as a Foreign Terrorist Organization on December 20, 2001. Saeed participated in the planning of the 4-day-long terrorist assault on Mumbai in November 2008 that left 166 individuals dead, including six U.S. citizens. Saeed and his organization continue to spread ideology advocating terrorism, as well as virulent rhetoric condemning the United States, India, Israel, and other perceived enemies."

Its not 'alleged participated' but cornfirmed PARTICIPATED.

As I said, Saeed's voice samples are still not given to any international agency. Why? USA has the satellite coordinates and voice recordings. They obviously need a matching TRUE sample. Can you prove us that Saeed's voice samples were published and still he was acquitted. ATB with that.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

OK. If thats what u understand bout this article then do explain why is it written very clearly in assertive form rather than probablity form...

... Its not 'alleged participated' but cornfirmed PARTICIPATED.

If it is "confirmed participated", then why is the reward for "information leading to the arrest and conviction"? If it is "confirmed participated", then why does the US need "information"?

As I said, Saeed's voice samples are still not given to any international agency. Why? USA has the satellite coordinates and voice recordings. They obviously need a matching TRUE sample. Can you prove us that Saeed's voice samples were published and still he was acquitted. ATB with that.

If the US has voice recordings, then why does Pakistan need to provide them? Hafiz Saeed's voice is in fact available publicly from audio and video recordings from speeches and television appearances. There is more than enough publicly available audio belonging to Hafiz Saeed to run a "voice match".

So, next set of excuses please ...

 

[Cherokee]

Maybe we should start hosting Baloch Rebels and some FATA warriors to troll Pakistan . That would be fun !!.

 

[karan.1970]

Can't hang him on the basis of speculation alone - the man has repeatedly and categorically denied his role in the Mumbai attacks, and the fact that the Pakistani High Commissioner in Indian can point out to the INDIAN media while in INDIA, that there is no evidence to convict HS sends a pretty clear message that despite GoI and Indian media propaganda about "dossiers of evidence against HS", there is very little in the way of any credible evidence to implicate or convict him.

Still does not change that nothing can move forward between india and pakistan till his issue is settled.

Maybe we should start hosting Baloch Rebels and some FATA warriors to troll Pakistan . That would be fun !!.

No it wont be. Pakistan thought the exact same thought against USSR in 1980's and India in 1990's. See what kind of fun they are living with today.

Straight from the State Department website:

"The U.S. Department of State has authorized a reward of up to $10 million for information leading to the arrest or conviction of Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LeT) founder Hafiz Mohammad Saeed ..."
Rewards for Justice - Lashkar-e-Tayyiba Leaders Reward Offers

Please notice the clear reference to "information leading to the arrest or conviction", which means that the US does not currently have any credible "information that could lead to the arrest or conviction of Hafiz Saeed".

A UN designation is not the equivalent of a court trial, and the UN designation does not place any requirements on Pakistan to arrest Hafiz Saeed or extradite him to another country. The UN designation places certain restrictions on the finances and inter-State movement of HS, but that is pretty much it.

So, your turn to 'save face'.

But isn't a UN resolution enough to make him a terrorist. After all a resolution from the UN is treated as Gospel by Pakistanis wrt Kashmir being a disputed area

Source? Or is that taught in your schools?

Dude, what's up? YOu are asking for sources and evidence for wishes as well ?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Maybe we should start hosting Baloch Rebels and some FATA warriors to troll Pakistan . That would be fun !!.

Afghanistan, the US and Europe have been/are already doing that.

Leaked US diplomatic cables clearly identify US and Afghan officials and detail their conversations regarding the presence of terrorist leaders such as Brahamdegh Bugti in Afghanistan (despite the US and Afghanistan both publicly denying that Pakistani allegations that they had sanctuary in Afghanistan were valid). US officials in fact arrested Hakimullah Mehsud's deputy while he was meeting with NDS officials, leading to a public outcry against the arrest from no less than the Afghan President, Hamid Karzai.

So, what else?

 

[karan.1970]

Afghanistan, the US and Europe have been/are already doing that.

Leaked US diplomatic cables clearly identify US and Afghan officials and detail their conversations regarding the presence of terrorist leaders such as Brahamdegh Bugti in Afghanistan (despite the US and Afghanistan both publicly denying that Pakistani allegations that they had sanctuary in Afghanistan were valid). US officials in fact arrested Hakimullah Mehsud's deputy while he was meeting with NDS officials, leading to a public outcry against the arrest from no less than the Afghan President, Hamid Karzai.

So, what else?

Which court has convicted Bugti as a terrorist ?