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New Delhi, July 11, 2014, DHNS:
The Indian Army is unlikely to get new artillery guns any time soon as an ongoing negotiation with the US to buy 145 ultra lightweight howitzers has not progressed due to cost factors.

India’s longest serving defence minister A K Antony, who was at the helm of affairs in the South Block till May, did not take the necessary steps required to conclude the government-to-government contract with the US to buy these howitzers for the Army.

“The case for procurement of Ultra-Light Howitzer guns through the US government has not progressed due to cost issues and because the vendor has not been able to come up with a proposal fully compliant to the offset requirements,” Defence Minister Arun Jaitley informed the Lok Sabha in a statement on Friday.



India did not buy any artillery since the Bofors guns of late 1980s.

Even though the Bofors guns proved their mettle in the Kargil conflict, many units are too old to be used, crippling the Army’s firepower.

The Ultra-Light Howitzer deal was under works for several years after successful trials of these guns in the mountains. The Army was planning to utilise these M-777 guns for high-altitude warfare in the North-East as well as in Jammu and Kashmir.

As the guns were to be purchased in a government-to-government deal, the initial offer from the US government since 2010 was for $647 million for 145 units.In March 2013, the US government offered a letter of offer and acceptance for the same deal at $694 million.

There was also a proposal on 30 per cent offset for the deal. The US offer came with an expiry date.

Despite several meetings between Indian and US officials, the defence ministry under Antony did not communicate its position to the US government within that stipulated time, resulting in the expiry of the deal, sources told Deccan Herald. If the Narendra Modi government wishes to revive the agreement with the US, there is a possibility of it quoting a higher price for the same deal, as the American government had taken an approval from the Congress to offer the M-777 deal to India at a ceiling price of $885 million.

The new ceiling price is almost 30 per cent more than the revised offer from the US.
In the absence of a decision from India, the gun’s manufacturer BAE System kept its production line at Barrow-in-Furness in the UK, under suspension.


No new artillery guns for Army in near future

@Abingdonboy @Roybot @Contrarian @Dillinger @Skull and Bones @arp2041 @ranjeet @levina @gslv mk3
what would you say about this ? another great achievement by saint anthony.
 
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New Delhi, July 11, 2014, DHNS:
The Indian Army is unlikely to get new artillery guns any time soon as an ongoing negotiation with the US to buy 145 ultra lightweight howitzers has not progressed due to cost factors.

India’s longest serving defence minister A K Antony, who was at the helm of affairs in the South Block till May, did not take the necessary steps required to conclude the government-to-government contract with the US to buy these howitzers for the Army.

“The case for procurement of Ultra-Light Howitzer guns through the US government has not progressed due to cost issues and because the vendor has not been able to come up with a proposal fully compliant to the offset requirements,” Defence Minister Arun Jaitley informed the Lok Sabha in a statement on Friday.



India did not buy any artillery since the Bofors guns of late 1980s.

Even though the Bofors guns proved their mettle in the Kargil conflict, many units are too old to be used, crippling the Army’s firepower.

The Ultra-Light Howitzer deal was under works for several years after successful trials of these guns in the mountains. The Army was planning to utilise these M-777 guns for high-altitude warfare in the North-East as well as in Jammu and Kashmir.

As the guns were to be purchased in a government-to-government deal, the initial offer from the US government since 2010 was for $647 million for 145 units.In March 2013, the US government offered a letter of offer and acceptance for the same deal at $694 million.

There was also a proposal on 30 per cent offset for the deal. The US offer came with an expiry date.

Despite several meetings between Indian and US officials, the defence ministry under Antony did not communicate its position to the US government within that stipulated time, resulting in the expiry of the deal, sources told Deccan Herald. If the Narendra Modi government wishes to revive the agreement with the US, there is a possibility of it quoting a higher price for the same deal, as the American government had taken an approval from the Congress to offer the M-777 deal to India at a ceiling price of $885 million.

The new ceiling price is almost 30 per cent more than the revised offer from the US.
In the absence of a decision from India, the gun’s manufacturer BAE System kept its production line at Barrow-in-Furness in the UK, under suspension.


No new artillery guns for Army in near future

@Abingdonboy @Roybot @Contrarian @Dillinger @Skull and Bones @arp2041 @ranjeet @levina @gslv mk3
what would you say about this ? another great achievement by saint anthony.
Aahhh with Indias dwindling stocks India might have to compromise on the price front.Although the defence establishment feels "alternatives" to the M-777 howitzers can be found at half-the-cost involved.
I hope India replenishes its stocks ASAP because China has the military infrastructure in place to swiftly mobilize troops and equipment to outnumber Indian forces by 3:1 in the north east.
 
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Shocking decision by the new GoI, the IA's wait for new arty goes on......

This deal was ready for signing and would have seen new guns in service within 24 months, now it will take at least 4-5 more years to be in a similar place again. Sure the BJP can try and blame this on the UPA and Antony but they could have bitten the bullet and gone for this deal.


If they are serious about defence modernisation they need to start putting their money where their (big) mouths are sooner rather than later....
 
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Who knows whats going in the MOD. Maybe the India defence companies who are involved in the development of artillery guns and have invested huge sums built up a lobbying group and lobbied so hard, they prompted the government to cancel the deal.

Politics is everywhere in India. As Indian companies get more and more powerful plus a nationalistic government, expect more and more foreign deal cancellations.

Anyways, I hope our military is prepared.
 
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Who knows whats going in the MOD. Maybe the India defence companies who are involved in the development of artillery guns and have invested huge sums built up a lobbying group and lobbied so hard, they prompted the government to cancel the deal.

Politics is everywhere in India. As Indian companies get more and more powerful plus a nationalistic government, expect more and more foreign deal cancellations.

Anyways, I hope our military is prepared.
Lobbying is good if the product is good.Even many US companies like Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northop have lobbying in US govt &EU. but in the End all comes up on User which IA to select best to their requirements.
 
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Lobbying is good if the product is good.Even many US companies like Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Northop have lobbying in US govt &EU. but in the End all comes up on User which IA to select best to their requirements.
If the foreign companies can pay they way to win contracts, what makes you think Indian companies can't. If foreign companies can also pay their way to getting the RFPs modified, Indian companies can do the same. Its just a matter of time. The more powerful Indian companies grow the more they will interfere in the MoD contracts.
 
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Contract was too pricey anyway.. Need to look at the local option even if its heavier..
 
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Shocking decision by the new GoI, the IA's wait for new arty goes on......

This deal was ready for signing and would have seen new guns in service within 24 months, now it will take at least 4-5 more years to be in a similar place again. Sure the BJP can try and blame this on the UPA and Antony but they could have bitten the bullet and gone for this deal.


If they are serious about defence modernisation they need to start putting their money where their (big) mouths are sooner rather than later....

885 million dollars for just 145 artillery pieces!!Man,that's insane!!Sorry to say but in this case,your assessments are off the mark,I for one can't blame the new GOI if they have decided to scuttle this deal.
 
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885 million dollars for just 145 artillery pieces!!Man,that's insane!!Sorry to say but in this case,your assessments are off the mark,I for one can't blame the new GOI if they have decided to scuttle this deal.
In the absence of a viable alternative (and no, i don't count the offer from the Kalayni group as viable right now) the cost was justified- why should the IA be punished because of the civilians' inaction, delays,short-sightedness and incompetence- it doesn't even matter if it was the UPA/Antony's fault, the GoI has to now take the flak for that.

The BJP promised action on the defence modernisation front and yet one of their first concrete decisions is to further delay the IA's demand for new arty? Not impressive at all. The COAS would have insisted on this induction and Modi/Jaitley sat through the entire presentation and then did exactly the opposite of his recommendation? At a time when the Chinese and Pakistanis are inducted relatively modern arty and in large numbers the IA is being made to stand still with its hands tied behind its back.
 
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soon we will be equipped with catapults throwing stones. long live our babudom!
 
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Why not?

Don't tell me India still needs to IMPORT freeking guns。
 
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