NO DAMS for Pakistan!! PPP Leadership.

[FuturePAF]

It actually does evaporate my dear. that's the very definition of disappearing into thin air.

The dispute of Sind is over 2 things. Some of the dams will not just store and forward, but also the stored water will be distribued into Punjab ( to expand nnn thousands of acres growing wheat). Sindh asked for a certain amount of river water + a certain amount to flow into the sea to prevent ingress of sea into Sindh areas. I will leave it to the reader to reseacrh what these amounts are. But Sindh has not been getting this water both sea flow and agriculture as per the Indus water treaty for decades.
All the people including Musharraf lied when they say that so many mega acre ft of water goes into the sea. outright lie. to find out how much water flows into the sea, you have to find annual Kotri barrage outflow ( as that the last water storage on the river.).
Once you have the numbers and can say this is why water wastage is there, you can say you can use water from dams.

Aside from building Dams, about 40% of water in the canals ( yes 40%) IS WASTED THRU LEAKAGES. How about fix those leakages.

We need to fix the leaking canals. Cementing them may help, and should be studied.
A presentation of proposed dams that should solve the dispute between the provinces can be found here:

Look at the dams on page 61, and keep going. You will see what is possible and where. The Soan Dam (38 MAF storage and 18 GW potential Hydroelectric power potential) in Punjab on the Soan river and Bhit reservoir (15.5 MAF storage, not sure about cost) for Karachi, would save enough water before it is lost to the sea. It would also prevent flooding and generate electricity. Soan Dam would cost US $14.1 Billion in 2008 Dollars, so adjust for inflation.

Soan Dam is best suited to store on a tributary off of the main Indus river, and store water coming out of Mangla and Tarbela. It also prevent any Kalabagh drama. It is also inside Pakistan proper and can seek foreign investment. With 18 GW potential, its $16.83 Billion cost adjusted for inflation would make it one of the most efficient dams, and also create a nice large lake just south of Rawalpindi for Tourism.

https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=14.1&year1=200801&year2=201807

 

[baapu]

would save enough water before it is lost to the sea

there is no water "lost to the sea" as many have put it. the amount that goes to the sea for past decade is lower than the amount that Sindh want to outflow to sea to prevent Salinity ingress.
Please look at water outflows( and the water treaty for provinces ) from Kotri barrage.

 

[FuturePAF]

there is no water "lost to the sea" as many have put it. the amount that goes to the sea for past decade is lower than the amount that Sindh want to outflow to sea to prevent Salinity ingress.
Please look at water outflows( and the water treaty for provinces ) from Kotri barrage.

I see what you mean, my mistake. How much is the difference from what is suppose to be flowing and how much is currently flowing?

 

[Path-Finder]

Tooi party against dams too

https://twitter.com/x/status/1038718569276690432

https://twitter.com/x/status/1038839283472326657

https://twitter.com/x/status/1038480451080531968

 

[FalconStar]

there is no water "lost to the sea" as many have put it. the amount that goes to the sea for past decade is lower than the amount that Sindh want to outflow to sea to prevent Salinity ingress.
Please look at water outflows( and the water treaty for provinces ) from Kotri barrage.

The decreased water flow has less to do with other provinces and more to do with India building more Dams and a general reduction of water in rivers due to climate change.
The last I checked Mangla and Tarbela both had almost reached to dead level last month.
So please stop spreading this misinformation that Punjab takes away all the water.
Their is no water left to take away. That's the reason we need more Dams and better irrigation techniques.

 

[baapu]

I see what you mean, my mistake. How much is the difference from what is suppose to be flowing and how much is currently flowing?

1. This chart is only upto 2015. There have been quite a few projects /Dams put in place since then.
2. around 12 Gm3/Yr represents the minimum amount Sindh wants for outflow to sea. please ignore the "moving average chart" ( only rerference the bar chart ) , since its not part of the water appropriation agreement /act. and the "dash line"
3. prior to 1999 yes there was indeed a surplus of water flowing to sea over the minimum amount Sindh required. but after that in say 2000-1, 2002-3, 2004-5, 2008-9,2009-10, 2012-13, 2014-15 water flow has been below the required flow.
4. Since this chart ( for the past 4 years) there have already been many Dams ( small and large ) which would mean that current outflows are even less . This is speculation on my part but its reasonable I believe.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Tell her shove up indus delta up hers ....nation need water . These PPP progressive retards

they are not progressives
they are regressive
they would rather see the Sindhis starve to death in Thaar (there is no Dam yet) or drown in floods than allow the Dams.

 

[baapu]

The decreased water flow has less to do with other provinces and more to do with India building more Dams and a general reduction of water in rivers due to climate change.
The last I checked Mangla and Tarbela both had almost reached to dead level last month.
So please stop spreading this misinformation that Punjab takes away all the water.
Their is no water left to take away. That's the reason we need more Dams and better irrigation techniques.

I didnt say Punjab takes away all the water, I said Sindh doesnt get the water it asked for and the Dam projects proclaim that this many thousand of new acerage of land would become available for agriculture, obviosly that means more water will be used by Punjab and as a direct result , less will be available for downstream.
If there is no water left to take away , where will the water to fill dams come from ? Dams dont magically generate water.

The India building Dams argument is dubious at best.

 

[FalconStar]

The India building Dams argument is dubious at best.

Really!!
Look at the graph you posted above. Pakistan hasn't constructed any new Mega Dams since the 70's. But since the early 2000's when India started constructed all sorts of big and small Dams the water flow has reduced.

Or the people upstream have started to drink all the water so it doesn't reach Sindh according to your argument.

 

[Path-Finder]

Dam Or Die

https://twitter.com/x/status/1039130160618983424

 

[python-000]

Tooi party against dams too

https://twitter.com/x/status/1038718569276690432

https://twitter.com/x/status/1038839283472326657

https://twitter.com/x/status/1038480451080531968

Bhai, when did we band this bloody enemy puppet channel in Pakistan...

 

[ghazi52]

 

[HAIDER]

 

[FuturePAF]

1. This chart is only upto 2015. There have been quite a few projects /Dams put in place since then.
2. around 12 Gm3/Yr represents the minimum amount Sindh wants for outflow to sea. please ignore the "moving average chart" ( only rerference the bar chart ) , since its not part of the water appropriation agreement /act. and the "dash line"
3. prior to 1999 yes there was indeed a surplus of water flowing to sea over the minimum amount Sindh required. but after that in say 2000-1, 2002-3, 2004-5, 2008-9,2009-10, 2012-13, 2014-15 water flow has been below the required flow.
4. Since this chart ( for the past 4 years) there have already been many Dams ( small and large ) which would mean that current outflows are even less . This is speculation on my part but its reasonable I believe.

So water is coming into the system (the spikes are the monsoon floods of 92, 94, 2010 for example, but we see "good" and "bad" years for the amount of water coming in. Its not the dams that can only hold so much water temporary, but the water lost in unlined irrigation canals and using old and inefficient means of irrigation like flood irrigation over drip irrigation that would to the most good and sooner then any dam could be build, any improvement would also add to water flowing to Southern Sindh and thereby into the sea.

Any studies into how water loss in canals and the difference in flood irrigation over drip irrigation would save, and how much implementing it would cost?

 

[baapu]

So water is coming into the system (the spikes are the monsoon floods of 92, 94, 2010 for example, but we see "good" and "bad" years for the amount of water coming in. Its not the dams that can only hold so much water temporary, but the water lost in unlined irrigation canals and using old and inefficient means of irrigation like flood irrigation over drip irrigation that would to the most good and sooner then any dam could be build, any improvement would also add to water flowing to Southern Sindh and thereby into the sea.

Any studies into how water loss in canals and the difference in flood irrigation over drip irrigation would save, and how much implementing it would cost?

The Graph is for Final outflow to Sea, but you are basicaly correct in that the amount in spikes represents the flood years of 2010 for example.

most estimate put water loss at 40% - 50% thru canal leakages. There is no talk or will to fix the canal system and its not a rallying cry anyone can use. and whoever will do it will take decades to do , and there will be no mention of Megawatts.
Water is free ( no cost except a nominal land based tax) . So there is no concept of drip irrigration or will. whoever gets water gets it whoever doesnt doesnt ( read last user in chain ).

Really!!
Look at the graph you posted above. Pakistan hasn't constructed any new Mega Dams since the 70's. But since the early 2000's when India started constructed all sorts of big and small Dams the water flow has reduced.

Or the people upstream have started to drink all the water so it doesn't reach Sindh according to your argument.

India has a treaty with Pakistan. eastern rivers are India's. so can you provide any data as to how much water has India stopped in the western three rivers? I mean actual data?

as for Pakistan Dams, Have you heard of Gomal Zam , Sabak Zai. There is many many smaller and medium sized dams that have also been built.

here ;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dams_and_reservoirs_in_Pakistan


all these dams do add up to quite a bit of storage.

Dam Or Die

https://twitter.com/x/status/1039130160618983424

I am not sure what to tell you. Do you actualy know what this video is? Where it is?

This is a strip of land about 4 miles long along the Taftan border. The greenery you see is is allthere is.. Beyond camera range , even on the Iran side its all barren. Its a show/drama. I dont know for who's benefit the rulers of Iran staged this.

Dam or Die? How about some psychotherapy or psychiatric help.