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Despite China agreeing to de-escalate renewed tensions along the Line of Actual Control in eastern Ladakh following a high-level diplomatic meeting in Moscow, India’s understanding remains that the ground situation will remain the same for now.
Senior government sources told News18 that reading between the lines suggests that there is no change in Beijing’s stated position after the over two-and-half-hour-long meeting between External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar and his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi.
Officials said that top leadership has been apprised of the situation after seeing the response from China, and India remains firm that it wants a diplomatic solution of the problem. They said that while India is always committed to maintaining peace and tranquility in the region, it will not compromise on even a single inch of its territory.
At the meeting in Moscow on Thursday night, India and China had agreed on a five-point plan for resolving the prolonged border face-off in Ladakh that included abiding by all existing agreements and protocol on management of the frontier, maintaining peace and tranquility and avoiding any action that could escalate matters.
This was stated in a joint press release issued by India. However, significantly, the statement was not issued by China.
Even as the meeting was held, China's People Liberation Army has increased significantly increased buildup in the the last 48 hours as it looks to move further west of Finger 4. Indian troops are also being deployed in large numbers along the Finger 3 ridgeline on the north bank of Pangong Tso to match the PLA build-up.
China's moves are being seen as as an attempt to wrest the advantage after Indian troops occupied dominating heights on the stretch from the south bank of the lake to Rechin La near Rezang La on August 29-30.
Sources said that Jaishankar told Wang Yi that the recent incidents in eastern Ladakh have inevitably impacted the development of bilateral relations, and therefore, an urgent resolution of the current situation was in the interest of both nations.
However, the Chinese side issued a statement saying that the "Indian side does not consider the bilateral relations to be dependent on the situation at the border".
As per sources, the Indian side expressed its strong concern at the massing of Chinese troops with equipment along the Line of Actual Control (LAC). India stated that the presence of such large concentration of troops was not in accordance with the 1993 and 1996 Agreements. Sources said the Chinese side has not provided a credible explanation for this deployment.
China also still tried to take a position on the current crisis as one where they have been wronged. Their statement said Wang outlined China's stern position on the border situation and said it is imperative that provocations should be stopped, including firing.
However, India confronted China over these allegations. The Indian side said that the provocative behaviour of Chinese frontline troops at numerous incidents of friction along the LAC also showed disregard for bilateral agreements and protocols.

 
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China is shocked! By suddenness of the move, by well though out planning of Indian side.
They never thought they will move forward, occupy their claim line and india will not do anything.
Complete waste of chinese money. Masterstroke!
 
China is shocked! By suddenness of the move, by well though out planning of Indian side.
They never thought they will move forward, occupy their claim line and india will not do anything.
Complete waste of chinese money. Masterstroke!
Do you think China seriously did not anticipate this move when it occupies 1000 square kilometers of territory? I'm pretty sure they are surprised that the Indians have not yet intruded into Chinese territory and stayed there like Doklam ... I'm pretty sure they were preparing for it. But hey if India occupies heights on its own territory, then it is a win-win.
 
Do you think China seriously did not anticipate this move when it occupies 1000 square kilometers of territory? I'm pretty sure they are surprised that the Indians have not yet intruded into Chinese territory and stayed there like Doklam ... I'm pretty sure they were preparing for it. But hey if India occupies heights on its own territory, then it is a win-win.
Read the post again! What u say is what i said!
 
India’s understanding remains that the ground situation will remain the same for now.

:D

They said that while India is always committed to maintaining peace and tranquility in the region, it will not compromise on even a single inch of its territory

what about 1000 sq Kms already lost? :rofl:

This was stated in a joint press release issued by India. However, significantly, the statement was not issued by China.

Very interesting.
 
This was stated in a joint press release issued by India. However, significantly, the statement was not issued by China.


Very interesting.
So the Chinese completely hung out the Indians to dry ... I gotta say that's pretty cold.
 
no adequate shelters, hot meals, proper clothings and continuous supply lines will be testing times for the poor sacrificial lambs manning the ridges.
But these are the norms in Indian Military, for the same reason lots of them suicide, kill each other, cry and make videos to expose and protest, but 100 trillion dollar economy cant afford basic needs of their soldiers.

some crossed border and came to Pakistan for food and how we can forget Veer Chakra Abhi none done and Pakistani fantastic chai...
 
Not quite Panchsheel. But after four months of a tense and bloody border standoff, India and China have officially reached a five-point agreement to attempt de-escalation.

That seems like a significant step forward. Yet, none of this is new. Clearly, there's not been any breakthrough, and neither was anyone expecting one.

The outcome only has been to talk more, with all the established military and diplomatic mechanisms. That’s clearly not going to be enough to break the stalemate on the ground.

On the ground, the Chinese are amassing more troops. There are now reports of soldiers from the People's Liberation Army swarming near the Finger 3 area on the north side of the Pangong Lake.

After India took over some of the strategic heights on the south side, the Chinese are trying to do the same on the north side.

So, on the ground, it’s a mad scramble to occupy vacant hilltops and ridges in a bid to gain an advantage over the enemy.

The situation at the LAC is on a knife-edge.
While the leaderships of both countries may not want a war, evidently neither side seems to be able to take the first step towards de-escalation.

Also, the timing is complicated for Xi Jinping. Next month, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) will be holding a key plenum. Here Xi will announce year-long celebrations for the centennial year of the founding of the CCP. Xi wants to be seen as the leader next only to Mao in the pantheon of party luminaries. And he wants to project that he is at his strongest and China is at its strongest when the CCP celebrations begin. So, because of the timing, Xi can ill afford to be seen as making concessions or climbing down.

One big disadvantage has also been the American preoccupation with its elections. Otherwise the United States could have acted as a buffer. All in all, it seems like a pessimistic future, at least in the near term. While neither side wants an all-out war, all indications seem to be that India and China are headed towards a limited conflict.


 
A new underground H-6 bomber site , enough to scare the foes.
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India Readies Itself for ‘Hot Winter’ Ahead as Tense Calm Prevails at LAC With Troops Holding Position

Tense calm prevailed over the Line of Actual Control in Eastern Ladakh for the fourth night on Saturday. Officials told News18 that though troops continued to hold their respective positions, there has been no incident anywhere along the Line of Actual Control since External Affairs Minister S Jaishanker met his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi. Saturday night was the fourth straight night when at North Bank of Pangong Tso, between Finger 3 and Finger 4, 1,500-2,000 troops from each side held onto their positions overnight.

"The situation is status quo. Local commanders have been talking and ensured that things do not escalate," an officer in the security establishment told CNN-News18.

Officials said the status quo is expected to continue till the corps commander-level talks scheduled this week. Sources said the China study group could meet in Delhi on Sunday to finalise modalities of corps commander level talks.

Since the meeting between S Jaishankar and Wang Yi, Brigadier-level talks have happened near Pangong but as per officials, have not led to any breakthrough. "The Chinese are only talking in tactical terms. They talk about how many men deployed on our side and where all but give no indication of disengagement or withdrawal from their end," a senior government official told News18.

The expectations from the corps commander-level talks are not very high on the Indian side. Ground assessment is that China is preparing for the long haul and India is also fast equipping for a “hot winter”.

News18 saw special equipment and tents being sent to LAC to help forces sustain the sub-zero temperatures which might go upto -50 degree Celsius in November-December. The tents made with special fabric can accommodate 8-10 soldiers and have a heating apparatus, Bukhari, to keep soldiers warm. The Bukhari runs on kerosene so efforts are also on to transport as much fuel and other essentials in the next one month before Zojila and Rohtang passes are shut due to snowfall. Government has also procured special shoes and clothing to protect soldiers from frost bites, hypothermia and high-altitude pulmonary oedema. The kind of clothing and equipment being provided to forces is of the same level as soldiers deployed in Siachen use.
 

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