No capacity to deliver

[livingdead]

mao was thier messiah? right? he devloped a brutal system with a rotation of command?
we never tried that system , cause we were too impressed with gora shahi?
even russia is a new version of chinese system, commrade putin is thiet messiah, who trunned the tables out?
vietnam, laos, even combodia still doing fine?

most of them are trying to change their political system, you want to be like vietnam/laos/cambodia ? you are much better than them. lolz.
About you glorifying Mao, I dont think any chinese member will be happy or agree with you. They have lived under it.
Putin turning the table on what? He is bad for russians, he might be good for Indians or other russian allies. Your primary responsibility is how your own citizen get a good life, not how you behave like a czar on world stage.

 

[Jungibaaz]

last of elections haa proven you wrong instead, in a less educated & poor nation , it doesnt matter what democrazy it is? as long as it can gives the poors the bread?

They have disappointed me, but I still have faith in democracy.
You can't expect things to change so soon, especially since the civilian establishment has no real foundations on which it can build upon, thanks to constant turmoil incomplete terms and military takeovers.

Give it a while.

thats why in this election peoples voted for 1000 rupees, but not for change? right
cause they just need that?
also damocrazy wasnt succsessfull because all these politicians themselves were pushing each others for power?

So they got it wrong, and the way a nation is to progress it learn from it's mistakes and vote more wisely the next time.
It's a long and painful journey, but worth it in the end.

There's no point of having a good leader ruling over a nation of idiots who still haven't learn, leaders can onbly do so much to make a nation, it's commoners that have to change in order for it to progress. Wherever you go in Pakistan, people cry rivers about their problems, and then end with 'of only we had someone to fix so and so problems', they are lazy, they think that God will send some sort of Massiah to save them, while they sit back and watch as they become rich with no effort. These people aren't fit to have good leaders, if they don't change, how will their nation?

dont blame the failures to armed forces, who are just there when, there was no one?
be it a earthquack or floods or even doctors strikes?

I don't blame armed forces, they've been better to us than our civilian leaders, however, their constant takeovers have damaged us, and they too are not some sort of ultimate beings incapable of making mistakes, they too have made mistakes. I wont blame anyone.
However, in terms of having an established form of governance, with capable arms of governance...
We've wasted the last 5 years, there is no political stability in Pakistan, there foundations of governance are missing, that is the grass root level problem, without this problem dealt with, we cannot hope to progress in the long term.

 

[batmannow]

most of them are trying to change their political system, you want to be like vietnam/laos/cambodia ? you are much better than them. lolz.
About you glorifying Mao, I dont think any chinese member will be happy or agree with you. They have lived under it.
Putin turning the table on what? He is bad for russians, he might be good for Indians or other russian allies. Your primary responsibility is how your own citizen get a good life, not how you behave like a czar on world stage.

sorry to differ with your desi goraism kind of theories?
what you think all the brits & americans are having fun times?
is thier no homless peoples there?
come on man! reality is to different? right
there is no poormen s heaven on earth?
try it go to china ask any chinese were they better then before or after mao,s revolution?
same you can ask to any russian were they were better in the times of borris yeltson or even gorbachov?
they all will answer just in the opposite direction of yours?
vietnam, laos, combodia all of them are politicly well setteled countries with staybility & good growth?
still better thn us?
they maybe lesser thn our resourses but more determined , prograsive thn us?
at least no italian mama is rulling them?
BTW nice talking to you!

 

[batmannow]

They have disappointing me, but I still have faith in democracy.
You can't expect things to change so soon, especially since the civilian establishment has no real foundations on which it can build upon, thanks to constant turmoil incomplete terms and military takeovers.

Give it a while.



So they got it wrong, and the way a nation is to progress it learn from it's mistakes and vote more wisely the next time.
It's a long and painful journey, but worth it in the end.

There's no point of having a good leader ruling over a nation of idiots who still haven't learn, leaders can onbly do so much to make a nation, it's commoners that have to change in order for it to progress. Wherever you go in Pakistan, people cry rivers about their problems, and then end with 'of only we had someone to fix so and so problems', they are lazy, they think that God will send some sort of Massiah to save them, while they sit back and watch as they become rich with no effort. These people aren't fit to have good leaders, if they don't change, how will their nation?



I don't blame armed forces, they've been better to us than our civilian leaders, however, their constant takeovers have damaged us, and they too are not some sort of ultimate beings incapable of making mistakes, they too have made mistakes. I wont blame anyone.
However, in terms of having an established form of governance, with capable arms of governance...
We've wasted the last 5 years, there is no political stability in Pakistan, there foundations of governance are missing, that is the grass root level problem, without this problem dealt with, we cannot hope to progress in the long term.

friend try it a 100 times, it wouldbe another wasted, 100 years?
all your good theories, about using the dam votes smartly, are nothing in a landlord bassed country where no body dare to go against the landlord?
1000 rupes is the best they can get, thier votes were collected a day before?
so all this dream talking looks good in books, but on the grounds, it keeps failing & failing again & again?
keep your faith, in damocrazy i dont mind it, but thn solve the problems of common men, instead telling them to wait a 100 years to come, cause they wont & they shouldnt be?
the time will come, the decesion will be made, you will be informed, thts it?

 

[livingdead]

sorry to differe with your desi goraism kind of theories?
try it go to china ask any chinese were they better then before or after mao,s revolution?
same you can ask to any russian were they were better in the times of borris yeltson or even gorbachov?
they all will answer just in the opposite direction of yours?
vietnam, laos, combodia all of them are politicly well setteled countries with staybility & good growth?
still better thn us?
they maybe lesser thn our resourses but more determined , prograsive thn us?
at least no italian mama is rulling them?

I was not being racist when I said you are better than vietnam/laos/cambodia. They have seen worst violence and only now started to pick up their lives. None of them done anything spectacular unlike other countries in east asia like malayasia or Indonesia, so dont understand why you want to emulate them.
Russia was unstable under yeltsin too much change in too short period, gorbachev was also commie and inherited the system,Russia is a capitalist country now and they are enjoying prosperity due to high crude price (oil and gas export), all these could have happened if somebody else was in power.
Russians enjoy the economic benefit but not political benefit of a free society, they should have both.

About Mao, please talk to chinese members here. They can give you their view, you might be surprised from their reply.

 

[batmannow]

I was not being racist when I said you are better than vietnam/laos/cambodia. They have seen worst violence and only now started to pick up their lives. None of them done anything spectacular unlike other countries in east asia like malayasia or Indonesia, so dont understand why you want to emulate them.
Russia was unstable under yeltsin too much change in too short period, gorbachev was also commie and inherited the system,Russia is a capitalist country now and they are enjoying prosperity due to high crude price (oil and gas export), all these could have happened if somebody else was in power.
Russians enjoy the economic benefit but not political benefit of a free society, they should have both.

About Mao, please talk to chinese members here. They can give you their view, you might be surprised from their reply.

friend, thanks for clearing a bit?
but russia is in a state controlled system with commrade putin, looking after every aspect of lives there?lol
thats a another version of modest socialism?
even in china they already hve made good reforms to compete the captalist world outside. with massive humman power, with super dicipline taught by great mao?
china still stands way ahead thn the demicacies like, INDIA?
others are picking up nicly, vietnam becomming the biggest exporter of rice in the world?
laos & combodia just getting huge investments, damocracies like japan investing there because of stablity & cheap labours?
world is changing? if you cant see thn wht should i do?
few dejected peoples cn be find every where, but if they were this strong thn there would nt be any red flag flying high enough in bejiing?
desi gora has tried, & failed accepted his defeat by investing in the communist china?lol
i dont know about your country, but my country this damocrazy couldnt changed a dam in past 40 years, only more elites were born. & more poors died?
i like mr annaa hazarey. & v k singh, they are the real peoples leaders but, they hve been dumped under tons of. croupted political money in the end?