No Bangladeshis in Assam: Gogoi

[saleen_s7]

Saleeen you are right I have also not seen or heard of such people. But illegal migration is a trend only among the people those who have relatives in India but opposite is also true. My nana had to migrate to bangladesh along with his cousins from kolkata in 1947 as some radical hindus tried to kill all of them and n he had to hide in a jungle for 17 days. But how ever every cousin left behind 1 or 2 of their siblings in kolkata. After coming to bangladesh every one of my grand father become successful and become judge of supre court to income tax commissionaire to member of jute board etc. But all the relatives in kolkata are dirt poor now. Ask money during every occasion. They have requested to settle them in Dhaka couple of times and always ponder why their grand father or father did not come to Bangladesh.

But the bottom line is that even if migration happen it happen among such people those who have relatives and known people but the number is not that high.

From my own family experience I know any hindu can easily fled to India and they can get shelter there even if they go there after committing a crime and those who migrate are treacherous in nature. During 1971 in our home town my grand father helped a hindu by buying a market from him after using almost all of his savings when he was planning to fled to India only based on trust without any paper work as he said he will never return. But that treacherous hindu after the liberation war some how sell the market again to another hindu by doing all the paper work and thats why then my grand father had to give up the market after a legal battle... my grand father was a victim of trusting a hindu migrant.

Same case also apply in the case of my aunt when he married a hindu converted muslim man. That bastared for money killed my aunt along with her daughter and fled to India. As my aunt was an government official so even interpol was called to identify that hindu but he got a safe heaven in India.

Before this bhartis talk about illegal migration they should look at their own as@s. How this bhartis are sheltering even criminal and treacherous hindus. Bangladesh government should not take back this treacherous hindus and should give capital punishment to the people who fled to India after committing crime.

Even though apart from that there are some good hindus also in Bangladesh. But I have seen those who are well established hindu in bangladesh they lead the treacherous hindu list. Some hindu officials those who are colleague of my dad...has rumor that they have bought certain property in kolkata as they will go to India after retirement for settlement.

I really think your reasons are legit and well justified but such hatred never brings anything good. Not to mention, there are cheats and scums in almost every part of the world, especially because of extreme poverty on that side(indo bangla border) of the world. I don't think religion has much to do with the things you have encountered, but people just looking out for their self interest and the perfect victim who was in need. That is perhaps the problem we have now: India looking for its own selfish reasons, and a govt of bangladesh showing more than a willing. I really don't think you should generalise anyone based on their religion or origin.

 

[Roybot]

Whats "news" about this, not the first time Gogoi has given such a statement.

Assam CM claims there are no illegal immigrants in Assam
13 OCTOBER 2008

GUWAHATI: There are no illegal Bangladeshi nationals staying in Assam, stated Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi here Monday, attributing the recent violence in his state to the handiwork of “devious elements”.”There are no illegal Bangladeshis in Assam. Who says they are killing the tribals?” Gogoi told IANS on the sidelines of the National Integration Council (NIC) meeting here.

Gogoi claimed there was a conspiracy by vested interests to malign his state’s image by claiming that illegal Bangladeshis were behind the recent ethnic violence in the northeastern state “Unscrupulous elements are creating the disturbance in the state. The violence in Udalguri and Darrang was the handiwork of devious elements,” the chief minister said.

“I said this at the NIC meeting as well,” he said. At least 55 people were killed and over 200,000 displaced following ethnic violence in the northern Assam districts of Udalguri and Darrang. The violence has been attributed to clashes between illegal Bangladeshi migrants and ethnic tribal Bodos. Amar Singh, Samajwadi Party general secretary, told reporters after emerging from the NIC meeting, “I visited the violence-hit districts of the state.”

“At least 100 Muslims were killed in Assam in last week’s violence. ”Minister of State for Home Shakeel Ahmad Sunday visited at least six relief camps in Udalguri and Darrang and assessed the situation. Ahmad, who led a three-member team constituted by Congress president Sonia Gandhi to the state, is to submit a detailed report to her Tuesday.

“The state is in favour of a high level inquiry into the ethnic clashes,” said Gogoi. The NIC, with representatives from all parties and different social organisations, was constituted in 1962 to promote national unity through inclusive growth. IANS

No illeal immigrants in Assam

Interestingly the same Gogoi also said this,

Gogoi sees Bangla hand behind blasts
Nov 09, 2008

Nine days after nine serial blasts claimed 90 lives in four Assam towns, including Guwahati, Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi on Saturday not only linked religious fundamentalism to these blasts but also asserted that there was definitely a Bangladesh angle to them. “The brain must be from outside,” he said.

On links between the serial blasts and terrorism from across the international border, Gogoi described Bangladesh as “the most problematic” area. “There are not only large number of terrorist groups in that country, but they also provide support to local groups in Assam,” he said during a press conference.

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So my question to the Bangladeshis here, are you guys going to believe this statement of Mr Gogoi as well or is it the trademark only highlight what suits your point of view all over again.

 

[saleen_s7]

Whats "news" about this, not the first time Gogoi has given a statement.

Assam CM claims there are no illegal immigrants in Assam
13 OCTOBER 2008



Interestingly the same Gogoi also said this,

Gogoi sees Bangla hand behind blasts
Nov 09, 2008



So many question to the Bangladeshis here, are you guys going to believe this statement of Mr Gogoi as well or is it the trademark only highlight what suits your point of view all over again.

We can easily ask you the same question?

 

[Roybot]

We can easily ask you the same question?

You should try and understand that, its election time in Assam. Congress in Assam is apparently under some alliance with AIUDF, so am not surprised at all to see such comments coming out. Quoting Gogoi to mock what Narendra Modi said few days ago doesn't make any sense at all, cause thats exactly what Modi said, that Congress is downplaying the Bangladeshi illegal migrant issue.

Whats happening with these "Bangladeshis" or "Bengali Muslims" or whoever these people are is very unfortunate. Everyone is using them for their benefits and then abandoning them. When ULFA and other Assam separatists leaders were given sanctuaries in Bangladesh the tribals had no issue with these people. But the moment Bangladesh Government chases these "leaders" out of Bangladesh suddenly the Bodos start killing these "Bangladeshis".

Election time Gogoi is appeasing these voters, election gone these very people are blamed for bomb blasts. If you ask my point of view on this, I have no issues with the "Bangladeshis" who are already in India as long as they don't indulge in anti India activities. But no more new "migrants".

 

[Al-zakir]

You should try and understand that, its election time in Assam. Congress in Assam is apparently under some alliance with AIUDF, so am not surprised at all to see such comments coming out. Quoting Gogoi to mock what Narendra Modi said few days ago doesn't make any sense at all, cause thats exactly what Modi said, that Congress is downplaying the Bangladeshi illegal migrant issue.

Whats happening with these "Bangladeshis" or "Bengali Muslims" or whoever these people are is very unfortunate. Everyone is using them for their benefits and then abandoning them. When ULFA and other Assam separatists leaders were given sanctuaries in Bangladesh the tribals had no issue with these people. But the moment Bangladesh Government chases these "leaders" out of Bangladesh suddenly the Bodos start killing these "Bangladeshis".

Election time Gogoi is appeasing these voters, election gone these very people are blamed for bomb blasts. If you ask my point of view on this, I have no issues with the "Bangladeshis" who are already in India as long as they don't indulge in anti India activities. But no more new "migrants".

Here is my question. If they illegal then how are they become vote factor and if they can vote then how they are not Indian citizen?

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Whats "news" about this, not the first time Gogoi has given a statement.

Assam CM claims there are no illegal immigrants in Assam
13 OCTOBER 2008



Interestingly the same Gogoi also said this,

Gogoi sees Bangla hand behind blasts
Nov 09, 2008



So many question to the Bangladeshis here, are you guys going to believe this statement of Mr Gogoi as well or is it the trademark only highlight what suits your point of view all over again.

In your second part... it has nothing to with illegal migration... and in the 1st article it was talking about ethnic violence which is quite common as fanatic and extremist hindus always try to create religious violence...

n it was not only gohoi but also the minister who raised the issue there there are 12 million illegal migrants he even said it was based on inaccurate data and based on heresy and he said it in 2004... then how come radical hindus are still using the data and values...

Read...

The Telegraph - Calcutta : Nation

Today, minister of state for home Sriprakash Jaiswal said in a statement tabled in the Rajya Sabha that his ministry’s statistics for Assam and Bengal were unreliable and based on hearsay.

He was referring to figures he had tabled in the upper House that said Assam was home to an estimated 50 lakh illegal immigrants from Bangladesh and Bengal another 57 lakh. The figures were based on estimates made by the Group of Ministers on security headed by former deputy Prime Minister L.K. Advani.

So from this article it is evident that this figure was coined by advani. If I am not wrong he is a member of BJP .. so it does not take any sensible person to decide why he has coined the figure...

If we look at the total figure 5 million illegal bangladeshi in assam and 5.7 million in bengal we can see he is making virtually all the bengali speaking muslim as illegal Bangladeshi... Do you have any idea about total population of assam... In that population claiming 5 million illegal migrants is nothing but a vote bank politics based on hate...

So, my question to you... do you support such religious percicution and discrimination by this radical hindus??? The question to you if you are a sensible hindu and Indian citizen and not a member or supporter of radical extremist hindu groups like BJP, RSS, Shiv sena or hindutva...

 

[saleen_s7]

You should try and understand that, its election time in Assam. Congress in Assam is apparently under some alliance with AIUDF, so am not surprised at all to see such comments coming out. Quoting Gogoi to mock what Narendra Modi said few days ago doesn't make any sense at all, cause thats exactly what Modi said, that Congress is downplaying the Bangladeshi illegal migrant issue.

Whats happening with these "Bangladeshis" or "Bengali Muslims" or whoever these people are is very unfortunate. Everyone is using them for their benefits and then abandoning them. When ULFA and other Assam separatists leaders were given sanctuaries in Bangladesh the tribals had no issue with these people. But the moment Bangladesh Government chases these "leaders" out of Bangladesh suddenly the Bodos start killing these "Bangladeshis".

Election time Gogoi is appeasing these voters, election gone these very people are blamed for bomb blasts. If you ask my point of view on this, I have no issues with the "Bangladeshis" who are already in India as long as they don't indulge in anti India activities. But no more new "migrants".

However way you look it. It is your internal politics and I won't argue with you on that as I have very little knowledge about your political system. But 20 million is a highly exaggerated claim and I really doubt if the figure came from after a credible survey. Honestly, the only bangladeshis I know in India are Subrata Bain, Joy, and such people. Wandering out of the all the people BSF killed, how come people like this never encounters BSF.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

I really think your reasons are legit and well justified but such hatred never brings anything good. Not to mention, there are cheats and scums in almost every part of the world, especially because of extreme poverty on that side(indo bangla border) of the world. I don't think religion has much to do with the things you have encountered, but people just looking out for their self interest and the perfect victim who was in need. That is perhaps the problem we have now: India looking for its own selfish reasons, and a govt of bangladesh showing more than a willing. I really don't think you should generalise anyone based on their religion or origin.

Read you read my full post ... n what I said over there???? What I said illegal migration happen in most of the case where there are relatives or known people on the other side of the border. But bangladeshi hindus can quite easily fled to India. But regarding hindu's patriotism I said clearly in my last part poor hindus are more patriot then the rich one. Thats what my plan.. I have used my own family story to show illegal migration is a both way story.

 

[Roybot]

Here is my question. If they illegal then how are they become vote factor and if they can vote then how they are not Indian citizen?

As I have reiterated few times on this forum, the "claims" made about the number of illegal "Bangaldeshis" is very dubious and debatable. About 10-15 years back it was not that hard to buy a ration card and get on the voters list.Thats all that was needed to become an Indian citizen, and once they have those documents there is no way you anyone can prove that they are not Indians.

On top of that we have the "D" voters in Assam. The "D" voters which means doubtful are mostly Bangladeshi migrants.

Assam already has about 1.53 lakh names marked ‘D’ on its rolls. The two lakh persons whose cases are pending are in addition to these.The ‘D’ marking began with an intensive rolls revision of 1997, with the Election Commission of India debarring them from casting votes under provisions of Article 326 of the Constitution, Clause 62 of the Representation of People Act of 1951 and Clause 16 of the Representation of People Act of 1950. As many as 110 of Assam’s 126 constituencies have names marked ‘D’.

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Guwahati High court has directed Election Commission to debar ‘D’ voters from casting their votes in the election. There are 4,06,451 D-Voters ( illegal Bangladeshi migrants ) in Assam as per Government affidavit and High Court observed that allowing such an exercise was fraught with far-reaching consequences on the State’s socio-political front.
The Congress Government has indicated that they would appeal against the HC directive. Many opine that Congress is likely to lose votes in case D-Voters are not allowed to vote.

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Although the numbers of "D" voters isn't that high, but it can surely tip the scale in tight constituencies.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

As I have reiterated few times on this forum, the "claims" made about the number of illegal "Bangaldeshis" is very dubious and debatable. About 10-15 years back it was not that hard to buy a ration card and get on the voters list.Thats all that was needed to become and Indian citizen, and once they have those documents there is no way you anyone can prove that they are not Indians.

On top of that we have the "D" voters in Assam. The "D" voters which means doubtful are mostly Bangladeshi migrants.







Although the numbers of "D" voters isn't that high, but it can surely tip the scale in tight constituencies.

You can not count every D voters as illegal bangladeshi as they are termed as doubtful based on hate filled politics... N if we assume 1.53 lanks or 4,06,451 D-Voters as illegal bangladeshi ... but still it is no where close to 5 million. But this D voter system is fully a human right violation to target individual based on religion or ethnicity.

 

[Roybot]

In your second part... it has nothing to with illegal migration... and in the 1st article it was talking about ethnic violence which is quite common as fanatic and extremist hindus always try to create religious violence...

Bodo militants aren't Hindus. Please stop your religious rants if you like to engage in a debate, cause I personally don't give a rat's about Hindu/Muslim/XYZ religion.

t was not only gohoi but also the minister who raised the issue there there are 12 million illegal migrants he even said it was based on inaccurate data and based on heresy and he said it in 2004... then how come radical hindus are still using the data and values...

As I already said the "claims" about the number of illegal migrants is dubious. So you don't need to post the same articles over and over again.

If we look at the total figure 5 million illegal bangladeshi in assam and 5.7 million in bengal we can see he is making virtually all the bengali speaking muslim as illegal Bangladeshi... Do you have any idea about total population of assam... In that population claiming 5 million illegal migrants is nothing but a vote bank politics based on hate...

Your numbers are not right, there are 23 Million Muslims in West Bengal and 9 Million Muslims in Bengal

So, my question to you... do you support such religious percicution and discrimination by this radical hindus??? The question to you if you are a sensible hindu and Indian citizen and not a member or supporter of radical extremist hindu groups like BJP, RSS, Shiv sena or hindutva...

No I don't support such things, however I do support persecution of anti-India elements whatever religion they may belong too.

 

[Roybot]

You can not count every D voters as illegal bangladeshi as they are termed as doubtful based on hate filled politics... N if we assume 1.53 lanks or 4,06,451 D-Voters as illegal bangladeshi ... but still it is no where close to 5 million. But this D voter system is fully a human right violation to target individual based on religion or ethnicity.

As I said the figures claimed by various political parties is debatable. 4 lakh "D" voters are just the officially recognized and registered "Migrants", that figure is not doubtful at all, these 4 Lakh people don't have any documents to prove that they are Indians. And no there is nothing Human Rightsy about this, foreign nationals aren't allowed to vote in any country the world over.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

As I said the figures claimed by various political parties is debatable. 4 lakh "D" voters are just the officially recognized and registered "Migrants", that figure is not doubtful at all, these 4 Lakh people don't have any documents to prove that they are Indians. And no there is nothing Human Rightsy about this, foreign nationals aren't allowed to vote in any country the world over.

If you go to bangladesh I can also show there are hundreds of thousands of poor people those who do not have legal documents mainly due to the fact that poor people are remain on moving and hardly it is possible for them to save any documents in a locker as they do not have any.. But it has nothing to do illegal migration. In 2008 official work of giving national id card has been completed. But I am 100% certain hunderds of thousand poor pople already lost it due to not preserving that correctly and I hardly doubt whether many of them knows the importance of that.

 

[Burnz]

I do not about you guys but I never encounter a hindu beger in Bangladesh yet India systematically forcing it's poor muslim citizen live in dirt and slums. Simple reason. They are taking revange for thousand years of Muslim ruled over Hindus.

So all Beggars are Muslims?

This debunks the stupid lie of Sami6108 that Muslims were successful in Bangladesh.

Two Nation Theory is once again disapproved because Muslims are beggars and Hindus are better off..

 

[alphamale]

i m just surprised to see that how some members are on seventh sky after reading that statement. even a insane person would understand that elections are due in Assam that's why these type of statements are coming from politicians. some ppl are just horribly gullible.