No army in world is involved in commerce but our's is selling even cement and bread - Justice Isa

[ejaz007]

its not direct military but its ex services and army welfare trust is doing it . for a poor country like pakistan if military generate funds from own whats wrong sir ?

Its a mix. In some organizations uniformed people are heading and in some ex-military personnel are heading.

The problem is they use undue influence of the military to avail benefits and avoid facing the law when get caught of unlawful activities.

For example remember DHA land scam. General Kayani's brother could not be arrested guess why.

In fertilizer and power generation every one suffers gas shortage except the complexes run by ex military.

Remember in PIA's plane fiasco the culprit could not be punished gues why he was brother of DG Rangers / ISI. I am not sure his last posting was as DG ISI or Rangers.

 

[Imran Khan]

Its a mix. In some organizations uniformed people are heading and in some ex-military personnel are heading.

The problem is they use undue influence of the military to avail benefits and avoid facing the law when get caught of unlawful activities.

For example remember DHA land scam. General Kayani's brother could not be arrested guess why.

In fertilizer and power generation every one suffers gas shortage except the complexes run by ex military.

Remember in PIA's plane fiasco the culprit could not be punished gues why he was brother of DG Rangers / ISI. I am not sure his last posting was as DG ISI or Rangers.

in this case i agree with you sir rules must be apply on all and no uniform men allowed to do businesses

 

[kris]

Well no army,

1. Performs census
2. Flood rescue duties
3. Fight terrorism in Urban areas
4. Provide support and protection to the SC

There is no issue in generating funds especially when our economy has been mired into corruption by the corrupt crooks. Rather it should be appreciated as long as the funds are being utilised in a proper manner.

Qazi Isa should not get ahead of himself.

Armies does help in natural calamities. Armies get involved in urban terrorism control - recently Philippines is example.
Armies give protection to anyone where government seems necessary

 

[Goenitz]

Its a mix. In some organizations uniformed people are heading and in some ex-military personnel are heading.

The problem is they use undue influence of the military to avail benefits and avoid facing the law when get caught of unlawful activities.

For example remember DHA land scam. General Kayani's brother could not be arrested guess why.

In fertilizer and power generation every one suffers gas shortage except the complexes run by ex military.

Remember in PIA's plane fiasco the culprit could not be punished gues why he was brother of DG Rangers / ISI. I am not sure his last posting was as DG ISI or Rangers.

The point is Army can run business by Law. In fact and govt institution can if they have enough reserve. Even political parties, if allowed by law. Like SKH funds investment in UAE.
As army has huge funds, so they invest easily in large projects as Pakistan has no strong private investors (so no competition) but few (e.g. Malik Riaz, Mansha etc or some politicians).

@war&peace

You know, how AM Noor Khan developed PIA? He got new plane on lease, bought hotels, etc.. Point was that PIA will plan your journey and stay. Later on, PIA could buy tourist resorts, build theme park or what not. Even Pakistan Railways tried to tow same line. What if PIA own her own restaurant, catering and housing schemes..? It will affect PIA employee's performance.

Rest your were right, no one shd be above law. Musharrfa shd have been arrested.. but police couldn't due to army presence in courts. Similarly, others but Lt Gen Rizwan took retirement and went impartial...

 

[ejaz007]

in this case i agree with you sir rules must be apply on all and no uniform men allowed to do businesses

Just to quote another example. A very large scam was unearthed by FIA in NLC. 6 Ex-Generals were involved. Instead of letting the law take its course army re-enlisted the generals back in army so that they could avaoid facing the law.

 

[war&peace]

You know, how AM Noor Khan developed PIA? He got new plane on lease, bought hotels, etc.. Point was that PIA will plan your journey and stay. Later on, PIA could buy tourist resorts, build theme park or what not. Even Pakistan Railways tried to tow same line. What if PIA own her own restaurant, catering and housing schemes..? It will affect PIA employee's performance.

Mate, many military around the globe run businesses to raise funds....so the judge's point was lame and false..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Egyptian_Armed_Forces
Furthermore, can the judge present a comparison of the benefits an Indian army officer gets on retirement vs Pak army officer? If civilians are so incompetent and greedy that they cannot run the country without robbing it and embezzling the funds and assets, institutions have to think about their own welfare and I appreciate army's efforts in this regard and suggest other institutions to follow the example instead of keep waiting for the govt.

 

[Kompromat]

Shaukat Siddiqui is a fool.

 

[war&peace]

Armies does help in natural calamities. Armies get involved in urban terrorism control - recently Philippines is example.
Armies give protection to anyone where government seems necessary

Armies run business as well and there is no prohibition in law against it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Egyptian_Armed_Forces

 

[bananarepublic]

Mate, many military around the globe run businesses to raise funds....so the judge's point was lame and false..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Egyptian_Armed_Forces
Furthermore, can the judge present a comparison of the benefits an India army officer get on retirement vs Pak army officer. If civilian are so incompetent and greedy that they cannot run the country without robbing it and embezzling the funds and assets, institutions have to think about their own welfare and I appreciate army's efforts in this regard and suggest other institutions to follow the example instead of keep waiting for the govt.

The point is not them running business but their abuse of authority many other private companies cannot compete with them because of this army thus they hold a monopoly over these sectors i.e NLC . another problem is civilians who are affected by such companies cannot complain to the gov as the gov cannot do much in such conditions.

 

[kris]

Armies run business as well and there is no prohibition in law against it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Egyptian_Armed_Forces

Better stay 'professional' and stay away from business.

 

[war&peace]

The point is not them running business but their abuse of authority many other private companies cannot compete with them because of this army thus they hold a monopoly over these sectors i.e NLC . another problem is civilians who are affected by such companies cannot complain to the gov as the gov cannot do much in such conditions.

Naah, that's not true... NLC is just organised better and no civilian has that kind of professionalism otherwise pathan drive the trucks and trailers in far bigger number but look at their truck and their unprofessional attitude.

Better stay 'professional' and stay away from business.

You can keep your advice limited to your country mate. We know how much of friends you are.

Shaukat Siddiqui is a fool.

He is cousin of Irfan Siddiqui...the cheap columnist and a patwari..

 

[Goenitz]

The point is not them running business but their abuse of authority many other private companies cannot compete with them because of this army thus they hold a monopoly over these sectors i.e NLC . another problem is civilians who are affected by such companies cannot complain to the gov as the gov cannot do much in such conditions.

So they should quit or rebel... its not army fault that they are impotent...

 

[Shane]

lols you are naive mate!! sir app jaye toh sahi!! ghataya motor way say app ka blood boil hoona shoro hojaye ga phir app resturants etc say pochaye ga keh faujion na in keh sath kia kia phir dha keh *** pass keh goths gay maloom karain app ko sab pata chal jaye ga!

Again, if you know I'm from Karachi then you shouldn't ignore the possibility that I may know the area better than yourself. So who is being naive?

If you are familiar with Goth Natha Khan or Deh Khantto Tappo or any of the goths around PCSIR or Noor Khan goth or the gabols or baloch goths etc then you should know that the locals know a trick or two of their own, they sell their lands individually but often refuse to move from the vicinity as a village unless they are paid more to move and what not ...which is obviously not part of the original sale agreement. Therefore, they are often forced to leave or manage to blackmail and extort some more.

The Land grabbers like Zardari and Malik Riaz obviously know a better trick than paying anything.

If you are naive enough to mix the two then it's your choice.

The same story has been repeated in GulistaneJauhar on every single project land...there was no DHA or army involvement there...

I'm sure that by involving and blaming the army in their scam, you are doing Zardari and Malik Riaz a great service due to your own naivety.

 

[newb3e]

Again, if you know I'm from Karachi then you shouldn't ignore the possibility that I may know the area better than yourself. So who is being naive?

If you are familiar with Goth Natha Khan or Deh Khantto Tappo or any of the goths around PCSIR or Noor Khan goth or the gabols or baloch goths etc then you should know that the locals know a trick or two of their own, they sell their lands individually but often refuse to move from the vicinity as a village unless they are paid more to move and what not ...which is obviously not part of the original sale agreement. Therefore, they are often forced to leave or manage to blackmail and extort some more.

The Land grabbers like Zardari and Malik Riaz obviously know a better trick than paying anything.

If you are naive enough to mix the two then it's your choice.

The same story has been repeated in GulistaneJauhar on every single project land...there was no DHA or army involvement there...

I'm sure that by involving and blaming the army in their scam, you are doing Zardari and Malik Riaz a great service due to your own naivety.

sir

Again, if you know I'm from Karachi then you shouldn't ignore the possibility that I may know the area better than yourself. So who is being naive?

If you are familiar with Goth Natha Khan or Deh Khantto Tappo or any of the goths around PCSIR or Noor Khan goth or the gabols or baloch goths etc then you should know that the locals know a trick or two of their own, they sell their lands individually but often refuse to move from the vicinity as a village unless they are paid more to move and what not ...which is obviously not part of the original sale agreement. Therefore, they are often forced to leave or manage to blackmail and extort some more.

The Land grabbers like Zardari and Malik Riaz obviously know a better trick than paying anything.

If you are naive enough to mix the two then it's your choice.

The same story has been repeated in GulistaneJauhar on every single project land...there was no DHA or army involvement there...

I'm sure that by involving and blaming the army in their scam, you are doing Zardari and Malik Riaz a great service due to your own naivety.

sir g ya sab aik hain! land grabbing monsters! fauji use sophisticated technics to grab land zardari and co are open badmash!!

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

no judiciary in the world is involved in visits to the hospitals, schools, parks and try to find problems which is not their job, but our judiciary is doing it.