Nihangs Sikhs Lynch and chopped up a man to death at Singhu border for desecration and for being a RSS BJP agent!

[jamahir]

America was founded on the mistrust of government [British].

OK.

White Americans hate paying more taxes

Reasonable. In fact no one in any country should have to pay taxes. Taxation I think is a leftover from feudal and monarchic times.

It is common for an American to say, I hate my government, but I love my country. This is ideological.

Well, that should be the expected behavior in any Capitalist country ( including India and Pakistan ) for patriots who wish to see the current governance system replaced by a progressive political, socio-economic and technological system.

They don't trust government to provide good public health care, although for military they will pay with pride.

Now that is a contradiction. A wrong.

Much of their social welfare is done by individuals, businesses, local communities and church organizations.

Again, a wrong path even if done with good intentions. Social welfare is the job of the governance system ( whether a modern Western-style parliamentary system or a Communist people's-rule system ). Otherwise there's no reason for the governance system to exist.

One of their biggest complaints is against making government social welfare big, although it is quite big, but not big enough to take care of mental issues.

If they immediately stop Capitalism in their country and the government's artificial need to maintain a massive invasions-oriented military and the consequent militarization of society and instead remake their society into a harmonious, welfare-based one then most mental problems will disappear.

So, yes they have some ideological problem. I think they need to expand health care and spend less on military. Much of terrorism is a mental issue, people violently triggered by politics. Not enough research in this area.

Well, one needs to ask what is the description of "Terrorism". The American governments and their allies since end of World War 2 have terrorized and slaughtered others on a huge scale.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

OK.



Reasonable. In fact no one in any country should have to pay taxes. Taxation I think is a leftover from feudal and monarchic times.



Well, that should be the expected behavior in any Capitalist country ( including India and Pakistan ) for patriots who wish to see the current governance system replaced by a progressive political, socio-economic and technological system.



Now that is a contradiction. A wrong.



Again, a wrong path even in done with good intentions. Social welfare is the job of the governance system ( whether a modern Western-style parliamentary system or a Communist people's-rule system ). Otherwise there's no reason for the governance system to exist.



If they immediate stop Capitalism in their country and the government's artificial need to maintain a massive invasions-oriented military and the consequent militarization of society and instead remake their society into a harmonious, welfare-based one then most mental problems will disappear.



Well, one needs to ask what is the description of "Terrorism". The American governments and their allies since end of World War 2 have terrorized and slaughtered others on a huge scale.

You will go nowhere talking against Capitalism in America. It is tied to freedom. You have to present solutions as part of rights and freedom, not as an economic or political ideology [Communism].

 

[baajey]

We know who are the real goons, yes ?

every time i go to a petrol pump, i see him mocking at me (and other BJP n non-BJP ppl) for buying overpriced, overtaxed petrol.

 

[jamahir]

You will go nowhere talking against Capitalism in America. It is tied to freedom. You have to present solutions as part of rights and freedom, not as an economic or political ideology [Communism].

Isn't it the right of the American to have the right to a home, to not be on the streets in the cold or the heat or rain, to not go insane from the hunger and the deprivations of living out while he sees others walking by in expensive clothes and iPhones and walking well-fed dogs and driving personal cars ? Has any ardent purveyor of Capitalism been in such a situation ?

What is Communism in simple terms ? Below is Google result for "Communism" :

Communism is a philosophical, social, political and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order structured upon the ideas of common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state. Wikipedia

What would be the objection of any sensible person to such humane and wonderful set of thoughts ? If you present the above quote and my proposed socio-economic system to an American wouldn't he say that these are better than what system he has presently ? Wouldn't it be his right and freedom to adopt them ?

every time i go to a petrol pump, i see him mocking at me (and other BJP n non-BJP ppl) for buying overpriced, overtaxed petrol.

Wonderful observation !

And just in post# 46 I said "In fact no one in any country should have to pay taxes. Taxation I think is a leftover from feudal and monarchic times."

Also, I will tag you in a thread I will be creating soon about how transportation system should be.

 

[Sam.]

He was clearly saying I accept the responsibility. And the guy was a hindu.

But may be I am wrong, it seems from his speech that the guy was not mentally stable.

The person killed was also a Sikh.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Isn't it the right of the American to have the right to a home, to not be on the streets in the cold or the heat or rain, to not go insane from the hunger and the deprivations of living out while he sees others walking by in expensive clothes and iPhones and walking well-fed dogs and driving personal cars ? Has any ardent purveyor of Capitalism been in such a situation ?

What is Communism in simple terms ? Below is Google result for "Communism" :

What would be the objection of any sensible person to such humane and wonderful set of thoughts ? If you present the above quote and my proposed socio-economic system to an American wouldn't he say that these are better than what system he has presently ? Wouldn't it be his right and freedom to adopt them ?



Wonderful observation !

And just in post# 46 I said "In fact no one in any country should have to pay taxes. Taxation I think is a leftover from feudal and monarchic times."

Also, I will tag you in a thread I will be creating soon about how transportation system should be.

The moment you mention communism it will be a dead end as it is against freedom and rights, and I agree. Even the homeless people there will fight against Communism. Communism is an ideology which can be picked apart for its negatives and shortfalls. Americans will never trade what they have for Communism. Make America Great Again does not mean Make America Communist.

 

[jamahir]

Communism is an ideology which can be picked apart for its negatives and shortfalls.

Elaborate.

The moment you mention communism it will be a dead end as it is against freedom and rights, and I agree. Even the homeless people there will fight against Communism. Communism is an ideology which can be picked apart for its negatives and shortfalls. Americans will never trade what they have for Communism. Make America Great Again does not mean Make America Communist.

This was a man portraying Prophet Isa during the Occupy Wall Street movement in 2011 :

So, many Americans do have recognition of ideas which can be considered to be left and ideas which are wrong but are prevalent there, including socio-economic.

 

[fitpOsitive]

The person killed was also a Sikh.

Sorry my bad. I heard him saying Ramdas. I thought he is telling his name.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Elaborate.



This was a man portraying Prophet Isa during the Occupy Wall Street movement in 2011 :
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So, many Americans do have recognition of ideas which can be considered to be left and ideas which are wrong but are prevalent there, including socio-economic.

That protest is not for communism. Having leftist ideas is not communism. Want to list the countries which are ex-communist? You talk as a theoretician but Venezuelans and Cubans escaped the socialist tyranny there by the millions.

 

[jamahir]

That protest is not for communism. Having leftist ideas is not communism.

They are similar enough. And given more awareness they will at least think of Communism if not join the Communist Party of USA.

Want to list the countries which are ex-communist? You talk as a theoretician but Venezuelans and Cubans escaped the socialist tyranny there by the millions.

Millions ? And how is it right that these escapees have undertaken help of the CIA and the American government generally in wanting to overthrow the Socialist systems in Venezuela and Cuba ? This is the same CIA and American governments who have conducted sabotage, assassination, regime change and war crimes in so many places since the end of WW 2. What moral right do CIA and the American government have ?

Also, seeing the Socialist revolution in Venezuela the neighboring country of Bolivia under leadership of Evo Morales also accepted Socialist governance until the meddling of the American government brought a Capitalist system. And then there is the Columbian FARC revolutionary guerrilla movement existent for 57 years which takes support from the same Venezuela you mention.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

They are similar enough. And given more awareness they will at least think of Communism if not join the Communist Party of USA.

Leftist ideas are okay, but adopting communism is a non starter, that is why Communist party is very, very fringe in America. You have to live there to understand it. America fought decades of cold and hot war against Communism sacrificing many lives for the sake of freedom as they understand [and live it].

 

[jamahir]

Leftist ideas are okay

but adopting communism is a non starter, that is why Communist party is very, very fringe in America.

Yet the CPUSA exists. Doesn't matter if it is fringe. If majoritarian sentiment, or at least implicit support by it for some ideology, were to be taken as right path then I in India should be a Hindutvadi.

Even Islam was fringe in its beginning. Very very fringe.

You have to live there to understand it.

Have you lived there ?

America fought decades of cold and hot war against Communism sacrificing many lives for the sake of freedom as they understand [and live it].

And North Korea, though not entirely Communist, has also sacrificed many lives. So has Libya, having its Communist political system. So did Cuba in Angola. So did Vietnam. So did the USSR in the Korea War. So did Afghanistan in the 1980s war.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Yet the CPUSA exists. Doesn't matter if it is fringe. If majoritarian sentiment, or at least implicit support by it for some ideology, were to be taken as right path then I in India should be a Hindutvadi.

Even Islam was fringe in its beginning. Very very fringe.



Have you lived there ?



And North Korea, though not entirely Communist, has also sacrificed many lives. So has Libya, having its Communist political system. So did Cuba in Angola. So did Vietnam. So did the USSR in the Korea War. So did Afghanistan in the 1980s war.

Communist party is so fringe that nobody thinks about it. American constitution gives them political rights, the environment is nothing like abusive and genocidal Hindutva. It is common among Americans to say they don't have to agree with you, but will fight for your freedom to say it. I have lived, studied, and worked there. I knew about the anti communist hostility in Kuwait when one of my Polish American classmates in American high school wore a T-shirt in school saying, "I will kill a commie for mommy". I asked him why do you want to kill, he said because they want to kill me.

 

[jamahir]

Communist party is so fringe that nobody thinks about it. American constitution gives them political rights

So does Britain and India but what is the practical reality ?

the environment is nothing like abusive and genocidal Hindutva.

Nevertheless...

It is common among Americans to say they don't have to agree with you, but will fight for your freedom to say it.

So if I am a Communist or a Socialist in USA or even the left-of-center Occupyer and want to help the Americans in enabling a better and just political, socio-economic and technological system these particular Americans you speak of will help me in discussing and agitating for my thoughts in front of the Establishment who of course will want to sabotage my efforts ?

I have lived, studied, and worked there.

OK.

Then they just have to realize

I knew about the anti communist hostility in Kuwait when one of my Polish American classmates in American high school wore a T-shirt in school saying, "I will kill a commie for mommy". I asked him why do you want to kill, he said because they want to kill me.

He clearly has been brainwashed. Why would Fidel Castro have wanted to kill him ? Or Hugo Chavez ? Or Gaddafi ? Or others ?

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

So does Britain and India but what is the practical reality ?



Nevertheless...



So if I am a Communist or a Socialist in USA or even the left-of-center Occupyer and want to help the Americans in enabling a better and just political, socio-economic and technological system these particular Americans you speak of will help me in discussing and agitating for my thoughts in front of the Establishment who of course will want to sabotage my efforts ?



OK.

Then they just have to realize


He clearly has been brainwashed. Why would Fidel Castro have wanted to kill him ? Or Hugo Chavez ? Or Gaddafi ? Or others ?

Poland was under brutal communism at the time. Your arguments are ideological. You are talking hypothetical, if and but. In the free world, a system which reduces political freedom is a non starter. North Korea is a draconian state.