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I think the below sums it up quite well, not just with India's tank problem but logistical throughout

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Flaws in T 90 Main Battle Tanks troubles Indian Army
Daily News & Updates
Dated 13/6/2006

Chandigarh: Inducted to serve as India's main battle tank just over three years ago, the Army's fleet of Russian-built T-90s have run into serious trouble.

The problems include critical flaws in its fire control system, availability of ammunition and, what military officers said, was avoidable overuse during training exercises, rendering many tanks in need of overhaul.

According to Jane s Defence Weekly, the tank s continuing technical flaws are "adversely impinging on the Indian Army s operational preparedness."

Confirming the Jane s report, senior Army officers told this newspaper that the French Catherine thermal imaging (TI) camera, which gives the T-90 s Belarussian (Peling IG-46) night sight its 3 km range and higher accuracy, is not "adequately tropicalised" and hence prone to malfunctioning in the extreme heat of the Rajasthan desert region, where temperatures inside the MBT routinely average between 55 C and 60 C.

During repeated manoeuvres in the Thar Desert, where the T-90s will ultimately be deployed in the event of an outbreak in hostilities, prolonged use under high temperatures had already "knocked out" between 80 and 90 of the Catherine TI cameras, rendering the FCS "unserviceable." The officers said that repeated efforts to correct the problem had been without success.

The TI cameras are the crucial "eyes" of the tank s systems. At Rs 2 crores each, the Catherine TI system comprises almost one-sixth of each T-90 s total cost of Rs 11.75 crores.

One of the options currently being explored to rectify the FCS is to locally develop an airconditioning plant for the TI camera. For this, a former director-general of mechanised forces is understood to have already held discussions with some French manufacturers, including Thales (which makes the Catherine TI cameras). However, neither this nor the local vendors called in by the DRDO have had any success in this matter.

The Army, incidentally, does not have a D-G for its mechanised forces after Lt. Gen. G.D. Singh became deputy chief of staff at Army Headquarters recently. Under the circumstances, it could take any new D-G who is appointed quite a while before he can adequately address the T-90 s problems, possibly further delaying the MBT s operational preparedness.

The problem of successfully integrating the Catherine TI camera with the Belarussian IG-46 sight is also believed to have considerably delayed the licensed production of T-90s at the Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF) at Avadi. Sources said the indigenous T-90 production, as part of the transfer of technology agreement signed with Russia, which was scheduled to begin in 2006, has been deferred after problems were encountered in fitting out the FCS in assembled tanks. Of the total of 310 T-90 tanks, 124 were bought fully formed and kits were imported for the remaining 186 to be assembled at Avadi. The first locally-assembled T-90s rolled out of the HVF in January 2004, but these too have run into problems with the FCS.

According to the transfer of technology agreement, the T-90 s IG-46 sights were to be made at the Opto Electrics Factory at Dehra Dun, the gun at the Ordnance Factory Board facility at Rishikesh and its 1,000-horsepower engine by Bharat Earth Movers Ltd. All the three projects stand deferred, official sources said.

The T-90s are also facing a host of other problems, including a nearly exhausted inventory of ammunition. The tank s 125 mm smooth-bore gun is electronically configured to fire imported Russian AMK-338 and AMK-339 shells, the supply of which has run out after innumerable exercises.

Surprisingly, the T-90 s gun has not been configured to fire the Indian-made AMK-340 shells. These shells have turned out rather dubious in quality, with over 150,000 rounds having to be destroyed, leading to the loss of over Rs 700 crores. Some AMK-340 shells have even burst inside the tanks, killing crew members, in at least one instance at Babina. Armoured Corps officers said many tank crews, who feared the shells would explode inside the barrel, had refused to use the faulty ammunition, and when forced to do so went to elaborate lengths, enabling them to fire from outside the tank.

According to the Armoured Corps officers, the ordnance factory board had triple-packed the 125 mm AMK-340 shells with propellant, but without adequate packing in between the layers to prevent leakage at high temperatures in which they are stored, often under the open sun. This had led not only to a near-complete freeze on regular firings but also "severely dented" the confidence of tank crews, sources said.

The Secunderabad-based Bharat Dynamics Ltd (BDL), which was scheduled to start production of 9M119 Refleks missiles for the T-90 early this year, has also fallen badly behind schedule amid failed trials. BDL is believed to have sought technical assistance from the Russians in building the Refleks (Nato designation: AT-11 Sniper) missile.

It was the T-90 s missile-firing capability that had initially clinched the Army s decision in its favour way back in 2001. But with BDL unable to supply the missiles and the endless problems with the fire control system, many officers are of the view that the tank appears little better than the already proven T-72, also currently in service with the Indian Army.
 
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india has a lot of probleums Missile Tech Probleum LCA probleum and Arjun Tank Probleums are ones who are major probleum
 
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india has a lot of probleums Missile Tech Probleum LCA probleum and Arjun Tank Probleums are ones who are major probleum

Yes we have lots of problem hence we are spending on defense mordernization. Please do not crib about our spending, understand this aspect in future.

Who does not have problem, look at PA they are not in best shape either, even for fighting Taliban they are asking weapons from USA.
 
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yes but our home grown weapons never failed us as your weapons are keeping faillling u since last 20 years.
 
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yes but our home grown weapons never failed us as your weapons are keeping faillling u since last 20 years.

Ironically we did not get involved in any war in last 20 years except Kargil....where result is known to all.

We know our faultlines and we are trying to work on it and rectify it. I admit we have fallen down several times but I believe we are going better day by day. :cheers:
 
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yes but our home grown weapons never failed us as your weapons are keeping faillling u since last 20 years.

Technically Pak has not used its home grown weapons in any of the wars.So to say that your weapons were successful while our were not is totally wrong.Face it,both countries are dependent on imported weapons.Even Al-Khalid is a copied Chinese tank.
 
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we are too working as the matter u are working in ur frontlines sir
 
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Did you understood what was written, try taking help from Google.

yes i understand what was written but u cant understand what i was written .... Pakistan ask for drone so you guyz start cry that pakistan will use against us and lots of other blaa bla bullshits what about ur MMRCA ? nuke subs etc ???
 
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yes i understand what was written but u cant understand what i was written .... Pakistan ask for drone so you guyz start cry that pakistan will use against us and lots of other blaa bla bullshits what about ur MMRCA ? nuke subs etc ???

Wait a minute where did I meant drone and I had no intention of winning about your arms purchase. Look at every thread about purchase of equipment by Pakistan and I said they have the right to do so. All I meant was that our Army is not in good shape so does your yours.

This was in response to SF who is continuously posting anti India post like, your army is trash etc.

Request you not to assume things.
 
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yes i understand what was written but u cant understand what i was written .... Pakistan ask for drone so you guyz start cry that pakistan will use against us and lots of other blaa bla bullshits what about ur MMRCA ? nuke subs etc ???

Sir may i ask do you believe that India and Pak are adversary's??? I am sure there can be no doubt about it...Now every state will try whatever in the book to ensure your enemy has one less bullet than them...that's exactly what we are doing....what is wrong with it?? If pakistan could have she would have done the same(i am sure she would be doing that as per her capacity)..Just an example ... Cope India exercise in 2004 F16's were not pitched partly due to Pakistan's concerns(which i very valid) though in 2006 they were pitched much to the discomfort of PAF...So my point being both parties try whatever in their kitty to modernize themselves and slow down the growth of other....
 
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Wait a minute where did I meant drone and I had no intention of winning about your arms purchase. Look at every thread about purchase of equipment by Pakistan and I said they have the right to do so. All I meant was that our Army is not in good shape so does your yours.

This was in response to SF who is continuously posting anti India post like, your army is trash etc.

Request you not to assume things.

k :) .... leave it!
 
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indian rabbit i appritiate your words to my brother stealth lets ignore the fight come on the topic. stop fighting and plz be man not chils always fighting with each other indans are like our brothers too but atleast admit which are right things. be realistic my advice to all indins
 
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