Newton was wrong: Scientists dismiss Newton's theory of gravity and warn Einstein is next

[SIPRA]

Yes all of it's classical understanding
if you conveniently keep on changing the goal post at will regarding the foundational and philosophical basis of you system no one can score a goal against you.

OK. Thanks. I think, I somewhat got, what you are implying. Though, I don't fully agree with it.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

OK. Thanks. I think, I somewhat got, what you are implying. Though, I don't fully agree with it.

the conveniently ever changing indefinable scientific method is itself irrefutable have you studied the history of the problems in defining science and its various definitions through out the history till date.
My problem with my old sweetheart is
epistemological.

OK. Thanks. I think, I somewhat got, what you are implying. Though, I don't fully agree with it.

And why you don't fully agree with me sir
just asking out of curiosity nothing else

 

[SIPRA]

the conveniently ever changing indefinable scientific method is itself irrefutable have you studied the history of the problems in defining science and its various definitions through out the history till date.

Not much. What I gather is that science is the study of, what is perceivable, directly or indirectly. That is, what is called the material world, both macro and quantum. Metaphysical questions, which deal with imperceivable realm, are beyond the scope of science and are addressed by philosophy, religions and mysticism. That is how, I understand; though, of course, my knowledge, in these areas, is very limited.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Not much. What I gather is that science is the study of, what is perceivable, directly or indirectly. That is, what is called the material world, both macro and quantum. Metaphysical questions, which deal with imperceivable realm, are beyond the scope of science and are addressed by philosophy, religions and mysticism. That is how, I understand; though, of course, my knowledge, in these areas, is very limited.

but when one player jumps into the realm of others and start challenging their authority on the basis of a weakness which he himself suffers from fundamentally this bigotry angers me

 

[SIPRA]

but when one player jumps into the realm of others and start challenging their authority on the basis of a weakness which he himself suffers from fundamentally this bigotry angers me

Common folks, like us, have this problem. Otherwise, all the great scientists, clearly realized the limits of the science. Of course, a field of study, which is meant to understand and decipher only the material world, how can it lay claim to theorize on issues, which, according to its own definitions, are beyond its proclaimed sphere.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Common folks, like us, have this problem. Otherwise, all the great scientists, clearly realized the limits of the science. Of course, a field of study, which is meant to understand and decipher only the material world, how can it lay claim to theorize on issues, which, according to its own definitions, are beyond its proclimed sphere.

yuuñ na thā maiñ ne faqat chāhā thā yuuñ ho jaa.e

mujh se pahlī sī mohabbat mirī mahbūb na maañg

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Common folks, like us, have this problem. Otherwise, all the great scientists, clearly realized the limits of the science. Of course, a field of study, which is meant to understand and decipher only the material world, how can it lay claim to theorize on issues, which, according to its own definitions, are beyond its proclimed sphere.

And sir by material world you mean baryonic World which by observation(gravitational activity) is only about 5% of the observable universe. 95%
of the known universe is unknown this unknown 95% of matter is named as dark matter and dark energy which we know nothing about. and even we know very little about this 5% known observable baryonic matter especially it's ultimate source and it's ultimate fate hell we can't choose between supersymmetry and multiverse on the basis of attainable empirical data hence both are in lurch. with such wherewithal we blatantly are trying to disprove God which by definition is irrefutable and beyond this universe sir

 

[crankthatskunk]

More than 100 years after Albert Einstein published his iconic theory of general relativity, it is beginning to show signs of age. Now, following the most comprehensive test of general relativity yet near the monstrous black hole at the centre of our galaxy, University of California’s Professor Andrea Ghez has announced that Einstein’s theory of general relativity holds up – for now. Professor Ghez said: ”Einstein’s right, at least for now. We can absolutely rule out Newton’s law of gravity. “Our observations are consistent with Einstein’s theory of general relativity.

“However, his theory is definitely showing vulnerability.

“It cannot fully explain gravity inside a black hole, and at some point we will need to move beyond Einstein’s theory to a more comprehensive theory of gravity that explains what a black hole is.”

German-born theoretical physicist Einstein is, alongside Max Plank, considered one of the two pillars of modern physics.

I after long research (which was even more daunting for me, considering I never studied Science as subject after school) I came to personal conclusions, (read personal, not arguing with someone else's point of view or experience) that Physics is just our current understanding of how universe work. This might not be true at all.
With time, with new research, most what we know now would be proven wrong, without shadow of a doubt.
Because as a matter of fact, we know very little about the universe and how it was formed and working.

Don't be fooled by some neatly done computer graphics based theories, they are just figments of some scientists imaginations, giving their explanations how they think universe works.

The research about black holes is in its infancy, we don't know exactly how black holes work or they even exists.
I know people would say, they exists, science has proven it. Science has proven nothing, the black hole presentations are all graphics. Scientists interpretations of what they see in the skies.

 

[SIPRA]

And sir by material world you mean baryonic World which by observation(gravitational activity) is only about 5% of the observable universe. 95% of the known universe is unknown this unknown 95% of matter is named as dark matter and dark energy which we know nothing about. and even we know very little about this 5% known observable baryonic matter especially it's ultimate source and it's ultimate fate hell we can't choose between supersymmetry and multiverse on the basis of attainable empirical data hence both are in lurch. with such wherewithal we blatantly are trying to disprove God which by definition is irrefutable and beyond this universe sir

I have not studied about dark matter and dark energy. There is also antimatter.

By material world, I imply all the phenomenon, which have been observed or are observable or are perceivable, directly or indirectly. It, of course, includes all those things, as well, which are currently beyond the means of our observation.

We have also to distinguish between the observation data and a scientific hypothesis, interpretation or theory. On the basis of same available data, more than one theory or interpretation can be formulated. As is the case of a number of alternate interpretations of the quantum phenomenon.

As I already said that the question of God, being of metaphysical nature, essentially, falls beyond the scope of science and is addressed by philosophy, religions and mysticism.

My belief is that human being would never ever be able to full comprehend and fathom even the material world. It would remain an unending journey and our knowledge would always remain partial and fractional.

 

[ARMalik]

Well, just as the Jews have made a jackas.s out of the whole world, they have also made jackas.s out of ordinary people with fake theories on Speed of light, Gravity and so on. Newton, Einstein, etc were all jews. Same jews who made everyone believe that they are the ones who build "Pyramids", and every jackas.s without investigating kept repeating the same mantra like a parrot!

I don't want to go too much into this as this has been discussed to death and I am sick of explaining this to fools. But I will give just one example, Scalar waves like neutrinos move faster than the speed of light. ..... Chao.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

I have not studied about dark matter and dark energy. There is also antimatter.

By material world, I imply all the phenomenon, which have been observed or are observable or are perceivable, directly or indirectly. It, of course, includes all those things, as well, which are currently beyond the means of our observation.

We have also to distinguish between the observation data and a scientific hypothesis, interpretation or theory. On the basis of same available data, more than one theory or interpretation can be formulated. As is the case of a number of alternate interpretations of the quantum phenomenon.

As I already said that the question of God, being of metaphysical nature, essentially, falls beyond the scope of science and is addressed by philosophy, religions and mysticism.

My belief is that human being would never ever be able to full comprehend and fathom even the material world. It would remain an unending journey and our knowledge would always remain partial and fractional.

sir antimatter is ordinary baryonic matter 5% with opposite charges, a mirror image of matter which can be produced in very miniscule quantities in large colliders (particle accelerators) like CERN.

 

[Placemat]

That's the beauty of the scientific method.
It's self correcting and there are no holy cows.

Our modern world is built on Newton, and here are scientists saying how he was wrong in certain aspects and no one is angry or name calling.

Can't say the same about faith

Are you a hero or villain.

This is totally wrong.
He did not copy anything from anyone. He was helped by many in mathematical formulation of general theory of relativity to come up with a consistent and elegant equation and everything has been documented

Speed of light in vacuum (space) is constant and there's no way you can use Newtonian logic of relative motion that fails at such incredible speeds. So the photon will travel at the same speed as the proton.

I think newtonian frame of reference disintegrates at sled of light. Isn't it.. remember reading something like that.
It is indeed a wondrous mystery to unravel.

 

[SIPRA]

sir antimatter is ordinary baryonic matter 5% with opposite charges, a mirror image of matter which can be produced in very miniscule quantities in large colliders (particle accelerators) like CERN.

You are right. What I meant was that even such particles, which come into being under very special circumstances and have a very transient existence, are also part of the material world. We don't know, what else in future would come under our observation or measurement, which would then be deemed to be the part of the same world. This of course implies extreme limits of our knowledge, regarding this world.

 

[Placemat]

Rather than saying science has limitation can we say that our minds have limited understanding of the unlimited and undiscovered knowledge of science. Newton has a breaking point, so does einstein perhaps. I am sure some bright mind will go to the next level at some point. Is the human brain limitless?

 

[war&peace]

That's the beauty of the scientific method.
It's self correcting and there are no holy cows.

Our modern world is built on Newton, and here are scientists saying how he was wrong in certain aspects and no one is angry or name calling.

Can't say the same about faith

Newton's theory is not incorrect but incomplete. We still use Newton's laws of motion to solve 99% of the problems. Only a few cases like space travel needs correction for example the GPS signals need correction and both general and special theories of relativity are applied to the signals for calculating the time dilation / contraction and the difference applied to the signals ( I did those calculations in my schools work).

With Einstein's theory, we can cover 99.9 percent of the cases rather 100%... the only missing part is that it may not be able to explain the phenomena happening inside the blackholes which for all practical purposes is not relevant practically since we are no where even close to travelling out of the solar system and the nearest blackhole is many light years away.

Furthermore, no theory is complete. We are searching for a unified theory that explains everything and we simply don't have one yet and we are not sure if we will ever have but the quest continues and we will keep getting closer and closer.