Newest footages of Iran's underground missile bases

[mohsen]

Please don't pretend to be a legal expert. So why don't you tell me what does resolution 1929 mean?

Resolution 2231 "calls upon" Iran to stop any ballistic missile activity that can carry a nuclear war head and puts an eight year cap on this limitation.

Resolution 1929 Obliges Iran "Shall not" do any missile activities as described in 2231 INFINITELY. There is not a time limitation on it and if it wasn't because of Resolution 2231 it could continue until eternity.

Are you seriously claiming 2231 is not a better resolution compared to 1929? As far as I'm concerned Zarif is cleaning up a mess that someone else caused. There are limited things you can do when you are in DAMAGE CONTROL mode.

Here is the proof to my claim that 2231 doesn't oblige Iran to stop ballistic missile test:

After missile tests, UN urges Iran act with restraint, 'good sense' - Breaking News - Jerusalem Post

As you can see, UN doesn't say Iran has violated any resolutions.

Here is another one from New York Times. Read the question sepcifically about ballistic missiles.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/11/w...-missile-tests-and-the-nuclear-deal.html?_r=0

Both news are from not so friendly nations.

And about giving up rights, Ahmadinejad gave up a hell of a lot of Iran's rights with his actions or inactions. Examples: Right to free trade, Right to selling its oil, right to economic growth,.......

you don't need to sign anything to give up your rights sometimes. When someone breaks the law and becomes imprisoned, he has willingly given up his right of freedom by his actions. Nobody cares if he ever agreed to it or signed anything. Don't tell me Ahmadinejad didn't know that his country will be sanctioned and lose tons of opportunities for not giving up his so called nuclear rights. Because that's an excuse worse than the crime.

Like it or not, we live in a world where countries relations are governed by international law. They may be one sided, they may be unjust. But Iran needs to choose if it wants to abide by those laws or break them. You can't have the best of both worlds. You can't expect the same regulations help you when Russia doesn't deliver your S300 missiles and then ignore them in another instance when you don't like them. I know that's our general attitude towards law as Iranians but world doesn't work that way.

Zarif has aligned those laws with what Iran is doing. Has he made compromises? Yes. Is it perfect? No. But that's the cost of living in a society.

You may think having a nuclear bomb was worth anything Iran lost during last 10 years. Fine, but that doesn't make you a better Iranian than me or Zarif or anyone else who thinks Iran needs economic boost to drive its strategic interests not bomb.


You need a positive rating for this!


Why does US grab every opportunity to show off its military capacities? Doesn't the world know it is a superpower?

Sometimes key to getting into the head of your opponents' military and non military leaders is through their people. Make world people believe that you are really strong and then their leaders will have a much harder time selling the idea of a war with you to them.

We don't have Hollywood on our side so this is the best we can do:

Which Films Does the Pentagon Financially Support?

when talking about 1929 resolution you should remember why this and other resolutions were adopted. have a look in it to see Iran is sanctioned because of breaching of its obligations to suspend all enrichment-related activities and not running additional IAEA protocols. now tell us who has accepted those obligations? aren't them the same liars who were referring to it as a temporary and voluntary suspension?

firstly, all of previous resolutions have unified in 2231, and they have put enough excuses in it to make sure it wont reach the final day, they will play with us for a few years and then use their well placed phrases to force Iran break the resolution, for example asking to examine our missile warheads and military sites; just like this recent case which none of them said anything about suspending missile launches in 2231 resolution till yesterday, suddenly all of them, even U.N secretary general Ban ki-moon opened their mouth and remembered it. what matters is American officials not some newspapers.

secondly, if you think 2231 is any better resolution, then you should know Mr Zarif was playing on the Ahmadinejad achievements, otherwise like previous time he would agree to suspend everything in return of nothing.
and thanks to their political motives (elections) for quickly fulfilling our commitments without waiting for the other side, it has converted to another in return of nothing too:
از غسل تعميد برجام تا نگراني درباره عهد شکني آمريکا/ تناقض گويي عراقچي درباره رفع تحريم ها؛ فقط تحريم هاي کنگره باقي مانده .... تحريم هاي اوليه هم پابرجاست، بانک ها هم پول ما را نمي دهند


thirdly, I feel sorry for you for believing Americans lies about Iranian nuclear bomb. if we wanted to build it, we would do it and like North Korea nobody would notice till it was too late. actually our country is much bigger and lot more easier.
well of course when the thought of Qajar is advertised and the meaning of advancement is a selfie with a passing foreign plane, then thinking about future generations and energy security should be a joke too. the same way the lives of 800,000 patients who need radio medicine became unimportant, they must be less Iranian.

 

[500]

Next up from the "500" lolwut show

1. Israel has killed no civilians, ever

2. Assad personally killed every single person in Syria, and they were all civilians and ISIS killed no one

Israel and Assad faced similar kind of uprising since 1987 and 2011 respectfully.

Assad supported by Ayatulas slaughtered 250,000 and turned additional 10 mln people into refugees in 5 years.
Israel killed less than 10 K in nearly 30 years. No refugees.

3. Iran is weak because it with 2 allies could not defeat Iraq with all of Europe, both superpowers and almost all the middle east supporting Iraq

Iran could not defeat Iraq which is 3 times smaller. Ironically while Israel supported Iran, Palestinians supported Iraq. Yet you guys kiss butts to Palestinians and support terror against Israel.

4. Iran started every war, ever

5. Israel only ever conducts "preemptive counter strikes". They're pacifists really

6. All Palestineans are terrorists

7. Israel Stronk

Funny humor, u can work in circus.

8. Those scientists spontaneously combusted

There were 3-4 people killed in Iran, which Ayatulas claimed to be a scientists killed by Mossad. Alas, beside photoshopped Israeli ID they did not provide any proofs for these claims.

9. All drones are RC toys, apart from Israeli Mach 10 supermanouevrable lazor shooting Hermes

US Predators are best drones now.

 

[mohsen]

Assad supported by Ayatulas slaughtered 250,000 and turned additional 10 mln people into refugees in 5 years.
Israel killed less than 10 K in nearly 30 years. No refugees.

we never underestimate a racist Zionist's hypocrisy:
5,000,000 Palestinian refuges are called no refugees.
Palestinian refugees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

days of your moderate terrorists are over!

 

[500]

we never underestimate a racist Zionist's hypocrisy:
5,000,000 Palestinian refuges are called no refugees.
Palestinian refugees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

days of your moderate terrorists are over!

Its not related to Intifada in 1987.

As result of Palestine partion in 1948 there was exchange of population: 700 K Arabs vs. 850 K Jews. Similar thing happened in same time in India and Pakistan and before that between Greece and Turkey and later on between North and South Cyprus.

While all countries (Turkey, Greece, Pakistan, India, Israel, Cyprus) accepted and integrated their refugees, Palestinians were used as propaganda tool. People who live 4 generations on same place are considered as "refugees" and get massive aid from UN.

 

[haman10]

Israel Stronk

@500 really boy ? and here we thought it's Israel who has almost yearly exercises on how to attack Iran and named them "pre-emptive strike" or some shyte to that extend .

but every sane mind here in this very forum knows who is really the aggressor and what will happen to Israel if they pull the trigger .

Israel will be no more . i promise you that . we will end you . you know it . we know it . americans know it .

 

[500]

@500 really boy ? and here we thought it's Israel who has almost yearly exercises on how to attack Iran and named them "pre-emptive strike" or some shyte to that extend .

but every sane mind here in this very forum knows who is really the aggressor and what will happen to Israel if they pull the trigger .

Israel will be no more . i promise you that . we will end you . you know it . we know it . americans know it.

These exercises are mainly UK tabloids stories. But thats natural anyway.

Imagine u have a neighbor who cries all the time "death to @haman10 !!!" Also that neighbor is training dogs which are attacking and biting you.

Then this neighbor buys a rifle and writes on it "@haman10 must be wiped from the earth". What will be ur reaction?

 

[rahi2357]

What will be ur reaction?

I would stop killing and robbing other neighbors .

 

[Penguin]

You can call it what you like. US has been showing off its might in general in movies like Countdown, Top Gun and more recently Battleship and etc. And specifically the silos are shown in "The Day After" which was staged in 1983 right in middle of the cold war as an example. Many of the scenes are actual clips of actual drills which has been used in the movie.

A much subtler way than that of Iran as it is shown indirectly in the middle of a story against an enemy like Soviet, Imperial Japan or Aliens. But it simply serves the same purpose.

Movies are entertainment, movies are not reality, movies are not put out by (US) government, movies are business and geared to earn money for their makers.

If you claim scenes from some movies are actual drills, please document the source of that information.

I know you're being sarcastic, but it's only recognised by 21 nations. The majority do not recognise it. I wouldn't say it exists on its own, it's officially part of China, just like "Judea and Samaria" don't exist and are part of Palestine.

I know the status of (recognition of) "Formosa", once a landing place for Dutch explorers/traders. And there are Taiwanese aboriginese, who's lineage well preceeds that of the Han-chinese.

 

[Arminkh]

when talking about 1929 resolution you should remember why this and other resolutions were adopted. have a look in it to see Iran is sanctioned because of breaching of its obligations to suspend all enrichment-related activities and not running additional IAEA protocols. now tell us who has accepted those obligations? aren't them the same liars who were referring to it as a temporary and voluntary suspension?

firstly, all of previous resolutions have unified in 2231, and they have put enough excuses in it to make sure it wont reach the final day, they will play with us for a few years and then use their well placed phrases to force Iran break the resolution, for example asking to examine our missile warheads and military sites; just like this recent case which none of them said anything about suspending missile launches in 2231 resolution till yesterday, suddenly all of them, even U.N secretary general Ban ki-moon opened their mouth and remembered it. what matters is American officials not some newspapers.

secondly, if you think 2231 is any better resolution, then you should know Mr Zarif was playing on the Ahmadinejad achievements, otherwise like previous time he would agree to suspend everything in return of nothing.
and thanks to their political motives (elections) for quickly fulfilling our commitments without waiting for the other side, it has converted to another in return of nothing too:
از غسل تعميد برجام تا نگراني درباره عهد شکني آمريکا/ تناقض گويي عراقچي درباره رفع تحريم ها؛ فقط تحريم هاي کنگره باقي مانده .... تحريم هاي اوليه هم پابرجاست، بانک ها هم پول ما را نمي دهند


thirdly, I feel sorry for you for believing Americans lies about Iranian nuclear bomb. if we wanted to build it, we would do it and like North Korea nobody would notice till it was too late. actually our country is much bigger and lot more easier.
well of course when the thought of Qajar is advertised and the meaning of advancement is a selfie with a passing foreign plane, then thinking about future generations and energy security should be a joke too. the same way the lives of 800,000 patients who need radio medicine became unimportant, they must be less Iranian.

Yes and in turn, Ahmadinejad used economical gains of Khatami era to keep Iran going during his fight of words with the West.

That's of course another way to look at it. Ahmadinejad and Rohani can be both part of a greater strategy played and designed by Iranian elites. Maybe Ahmadinejad was required with his bold characteristics to advance Iran's nuclear tech to the point, as you said, next administration could build on it and achieve a good deal.

Overall we have our differences about what has happened and how good or bad it is for Iran that we both love. And both sides that we support had their turn to lead the nation. The combination of these two extremes is what will lead the nation to moderation and great outcome, too much of Ahmadinejad style will lead towards where North Korea is now and too much of Rohani style may lead to where South Korea is now: an economically prosperous country without any free will. So both are necessary. We needed Rohani and Zarfi after Ahamdinejad to mend the ties with other countries and give Iran's economy some time to recover. We may need another person like Ahmadinejad after 8 years to harvest the economical gains of Rohani era and use it to expand Iran's power.

However, let's not call people names. If you have ever been in a serious negotiation, you know how hard it is to find a balance between your wants and the other side's requests. I think Zarif did a good job. Let's not call him a liar. His interpretation of what he has signed is what he believes in and has told everyone inside or outside Iran. If you red what I posted from New York Times, you will see that it is Iran's stance that 2231 doesn't ban the ballistic missile tests it is performing.

I never named Ahmadinejad anything and even supported him when he was in power because then he was the president of Iran even though I truly believe many things he did will take a long time to be corrected. You can find my posts in this forum as well.

And don't feel sorry for me. One thing I have always been proud of is having my own mindset whether right or wrong. For now you seem to be the one who believes US side of the story about 2231 and not that of your own foreign minister.

As far as I know, Iranian patients are in a much better status now and after 2231 than before it.

 

[Arminkh]

Movies are entertainment, movies are not reality, movies are not put out by (US) government, movies are business and geared to earn money for their makers.

If you claim scenes from some movies are actual drills, please document the source of that information.


I know the status of (recognition of) "Formosa", once a landing place for Dutch explorers/traders. And there are Taiwanese aboriginese, who's lineage well preceeds that of the Han-chinese.

Look, I have chatted with you before and have no intention to continue this debate because it is pointless. I just wanted to make my point for the rest of the silent readers. If you think US government doesn't and/or won't use Hollywood as a propaganda tool then you are too naive. If you think US government won't use its control over internet to further its interests then you are underestimating their intelligence.I posted this in my previous reply to you:

Which Films Does the Pentagon Financially Support?

Why does Pentagon financially support some movies? Why does the first lady in an unprecedented move award Oscar's to Ben Aflek's movie "Argo" about US hostages in Iran that depicts Iranians like bunch of savages? Why does it win Oscar's to begin with? Weren't there other movies that deserved it more than Argo? After that award the number of tickets sold for that move went up through the roof. Wasn't it because they wanted more people in the world to see their propaganda? I agree they are smart. They kill two birds with one stone and achieve two goals: increase their propaganda reach around the world and make money out of it.

Go and look at the scene in movies Count Down and The Day After and tell me what they are? The missiles fired from silos? The sidewinders fired from Tomcats? Tomcats that land and take off from carriers? They have fired actual missiles and filmed it. Even if they were fired for the sake of the movie itself, they are still a drill for people who performed them even though it may not be called drills.

Look at missiles fired in this movie from 47:00 - 49:00 and let me know what they are if not real tests or drills of firing ballistic missiles? The one shown at 48:19 is an actual ballistic missile fired from an underground silo just like what Iran showed in the drill so are the two fired after that:

There are fakes and there are real scenes in those movies but all are supposed to induce the same idea: US army is peaceful and there to help the weak, it is mighty and unbreakable and finally all those nations that are against US are bunch of savage and back-warded people with low IQ. However for some reason, people don't call them propaganda.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Movies are entertainment, movies are not reality, movies are not put out by (US) government, movies are business and geared to earn money for their makers.

If you claim scenes from some movies are actual drills, please document the source of that information.


I know the status of (recognition of) "Formosa", once a landing place for Dutch explorers/traders. And there are Taiwanese aboriginese, who's lineage well preceeds that of the Han-chinese.

well, may I ask what was the purpose of send invitation to media when you tested you nukes at the time of cold war? was there also part of entertainment and business ?

 

[haviZsultan]

Lol , it's iran who fights via proxies , not Israel.
Fundin hamas and hizballa and paying palestinians who stabbed israel's citizens.
Your can keep your disrespect , you can burn israeli flags all day long if it makes you happy kid. Meanwhile you and your allys in syria have killed more people than israel did in all of its existence so gg, and i didnt even talk of iraq iran war

Strange. I suppose the wind killed Mostafa Ahmedi Roshan... Very few Israelis are ready to accept their country has been involved in war crimes.

 

[kollang]

Iran is like a child trying to scare israel by burning our flag or say israel should wipe out but unfortunately you c@@ck s^u^c^k^e^r can do sh!t because you know that israel have WMD nucler chemical and biological weapons that can sand you very quick strait to mahdi a$$ . We can also burn yours flags and print on jericho 3 misslils that iran must be wipe out but unlike you we arent use 3 yeas old psychology warfare.
with a huge love
a zionest.

Dear zionist, I told this before to another dear zionist.I repeat it once more:

You can send your jets to Iran, they can probably reach our air space with no problem, 10 % you might do some damages to your targets in here but I assure you they will never ever never find an intact runway to land when returning to occupied lands.

We got plenty of underground missile bases across the country and in case of need we will bomb you into oblivion and you wont even figure out from where you are getting bombed.

You better not F with us.

 

[Penguin]

Look, I have chatted with you before and have no intention to continue this debate because it is pointless. I just wanted to make my point for the rest of the silent readers. If you think US government doesn't and/or won't use Hollywood as a propaganda tool then you are too naive. If you think US government won't use its control over internet to further its interests then you are underestimating their intelligence.I posted this in my previous reply to you:

Why does Pentagon financially support some movies? Why does the first lady in an unprecedented move award Oscar's to Ben Aflek's movie "Argo" about US hostages in Iran that depicts Iranians like bunch of savages? Why does it win Oscar's to begin with? Weren't there other movies that deserved it more than Argo? After that award the number of tickets sold for that move went up through the roof. Wasn't it because they wanted more people in the world to see their propaganda? I agree they are smart. They kill two birds with one stone and achieve two goals: increase their propaganda reach around the world and make money out of it.Go and look at the scene in movies Count Down and The Day After and tell me what they are? The missiles fired from silos? The sidewinders fired from Tomcats? Tomcats that land and take off from carriers? They have fired actual missiles and filmed it. Even if they were fired for the sake of the movie itself, they are still a drill for people who performed them even though it may not be called drills.

Look at missiles fired in this movie from 47:00 - 49:00 and let me know what they are if not real tests or drills of firing ballistic missiles? The one shown at 48:19 is an actual ballistic missile fired from an underground silo just like what Iran showed in the drill so are the two fired after that:

There are fakes and there are real scenes in those movies but all are supposed to induce the same idea: US army is peaceful and there to help the weak, it is mighty and unbreakable and finally all those nations that are against US are bunch of savage and back-warded people with low IQ. However for some reason, people don't call them propaganda.

We started out from government released 'news' features, showing off a particular portion of Iran's war preparations and 'arsenal'. You fail to point out any similar phenomena from e.g. the US government, USSR/RF government etc. You are confounding the issue by bringing in the entertainment industry.Which is just that, entertainment.
Newest footages of Iran's underground missile bases

What commercial entertainment features showed the US's ICBM arsenal and actual drill during the cold war? Because that is the comparable situation.

Argo is from 2012. And has nothing to do with showing off the US arsenal by the US government
Argo (2012 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Day After is a TV movie (not a cinema flick) from 1983, the height of the cold war, and is an anti-war/nuclear story. The story follows several citizens and people they encounter after a nuclear attack (a counterstrike on the US). The film's narrative is structured as a before-during-after scenario: the first segment introduces the various characters and their stories, the second shows the nuclear disaster itself, and the third details the effects of the fallout on the characters. The Day After was the idea of ABC Motion Picture Division president Brandon Stoddard, who, after watching The China Syndrome (a 1979 American thriller film that tells the story of a television reporter and her cameraman who discover safety coverups at a nuclear power plant, was so impressed that he envisioned creating a film exploring the effects of nuclear war on the United States. Samuels created the title The Day After to emphasize that the story was not about a nuclear war itself, but the aftermath.
The Day After - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In particular read this, where is discusses director Meyer
The Day After - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Count Down ?
This one? Countdown (2011 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia > irrelevant
Or this one? Countdown (2012) - IMDb > equally irrelevant
Or did you mean The Final Countdown, a 1980 alternate history science fiction film about a modern aircraft carrier that travels through time to a day before the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor? There is nothing shown there, that's wasn't already know or could be known for decades by anyone who picked up a book or journal on the US Navy.

None of this has anything to do with what this thread started out with.
Newest footages of Iran's underground missile bases

Silent reader are just that, silent readers. Don't pretend to know there are any, or their number, because you have no way of knowing. And therefor, you can't pretend to speak for them.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well having a underground facility is nothing new many countries have weapons stored under ground