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Who really cares what the rest of world thinks about Pakistan? What the rest of world gets its information about Pakistan is through media. Learning 101 of media will make you realize that media is a game of interests. It's not impartial or neutral, it has its interests. It really doesn't matter the rest of the world thinks about Pakistan.

Being in Pakistan and seeing the ground reality yourself will make you realize there's more to it. Yet the media chooses to look at only one aspect. That's not our problem. Media has it's own interests, it wants to portray certain countries certain ways and other countries other ways.
 
Who really cares what the rest of world thinks about Pakistan? What the rest of world gets its information about Pakistan is through media. Learning 101 of media will make you realize that media is a game of interests. It's not impartial or neutral, it has its interests. It really doesn't matter the rest of the world thinks about Pakistan.

Such a childish response from an Elite member??? Sir in a global world it is of grave importance that your country is projected as per her capabilities....This perception makes or mar a country....May i know how are you planning to bring back your country to development mode without the so called world??? If as an investor i have apprehentions about your country then can you please explain me why would i invest in your country????


Being in Pakistan and seeing the ground reality yourself will make you realize there's more to it. Yet the media chooses to look at only one aspect. That's not our problem. Media has it's own interests, it wants to portray certain countries certain ways and other countries other ways.

Wrong...Corporates don't stay in Pakistan to find out about Pakistan...it is the media and capmpaign like "INcredible India" that help you change perception... If that would be the case BMW can simply say who cares about what people think about us...Let them come to a BMW plant and find out how capable we are....Sounds absurd..didn't it???
 
Such a childish response from an Elite member???

In no way this is childish. Welcome to the real world. Media is not neutral or impartial. It is owned by the elite and states to serve their interests.

Sir in a global world it is of grave importance that your country is projected as per her capabilities....This perception makes or mar a country....May i know how are you planning to bring back your country to development mode without the so called world??? If as an investor i have apprehentions about your country then can you please explain me why would i invest in your country????

Investors don't use methods that normal people use to get their information. Just as an example, when Pakistan pulled up 10BN FDI in around 2005 or 2006, Pakistan was still being portrayed in the way it is.


Wrong...Corporates don't stay in Pakistan to find out about Pakistan...it is the media and capmpaign like "INcredible India" that help you change perception...

I am not talking about corporations here. Only individuals.

If that would be the case BMW can simply say who cares about what people think about us...Let them come to a BMW plant and find out how capable we are....Sounds absurd..didn't it???

Very poor apples and oranges comparison. The investors know Pakistan's potential through other means, that's why they're very keen to invest in Pakistan. The media means very little when it comes to that kind of information.
 
Zazi case sheds light on US plot, Pakistan connections



The continued cooperation of Najibullah Zazi with the investigation into his attempt to carry out terrorist attacks in New York City has led to the arrest of a fourth suspect, a Pakistani citizen, two days ago, and has shed some new light on the details of the case and the specific targets Zazi and his co-conspirators intended to hit.

Few developments in the case have come out of Pakistan, where the man, who has not been named, was arrested. Authorities say he will be extradited to the United States soon, but that "he may not ultimately be charged in connection with the plot." More details are expected to emerge after investigators have had time to question the Pakistani suspect and determine if any other conspirators are likely to have been involved.

While Zazi was under surveillance by the FBI for months after his trip to Peshawar in Pakistan from August 2008 to January 2009, the federal agency was forced to act after he was pulled over by police in September of 2009 while crossing the George Washington Bridge into New York City. Though police were suspicious, Zazi was free to enter the city, where he stayed overnight in a Queens home before returning to Denver on a Sept. 12 flight. The FBI later overheard a phone call between Zazi’s imam, who also was a police advisor, who warned Zazi he was under suspicion. Federal agents then raided Zazi’s residences and his rental car, and seized evidence linking him to the conspiracy to conduct attacks in the US.

The Queens home where Zazi stayed was subsequently raided, where authorities found bomb-making evidence with Zazi's fingerprints. The evidence was consistent with the bomb-making notes retrieved by investigators on Zazi’s laptop. Zazi had also purchased unusually high quantities of hydrogen peroxide and products containing acetone in Denver-area beauty supply stores. These chemicals are used to produce an explosive known as TATP.

In the following weeks and months, authorities were able to build a strong case against Zazi and his co-conspirators Adis Medunajin and Zarein Ahmedzay. The three men were eventually charged with conspiring to use weapons of mass destruction and supporting al Qaeda.

In a February court hearing, Zazi listened to a judge explain all the charges against him after waiving his right to a grand jury hearing. Addressing each count, Zazi responded "guilty" on every occasion. These guilty pleas gave prosecutors the tools they needed to gain Zazi's cooperation. In the ensuing questioning and court hearings, Zazi revealed his meticulously thought-out plot.

Zazi and his co-plotters planned to separate out on Sept. 14, 2009, at New York's two busiest transit stations, Grand Central Station and Times Square, with explosives strapped to their bodies. There they would board the numbers 1,2,3,and 6 lines and find their way to the middle of the train cars. During peak rush hour the three men would detonate their explosives to inflict the highest possible number of casualties.

In the initial questioning and interrogation sessions, Zazi had confessed to authorities that he and others had traveled to Pakistan and received terrorist training. According to Customs and Borders Protection records, Zazi and "others" boarded Flight Number 84 on Qatar Airlines on Aug. 28, 2008. Departing from Newark, New Jersey, they landed in Peshawar. After three-and-a-half months of training with al Qaeda in the Waziristan region, Zazi returned to the US to execute his plot. On Jan.15, 2009, Zazi boarded Qatar Airlines Flight Number 83 to JFK Airport in Queens, New York.

Court documents obtained by CBS reveal Zazi's activities in Pakistan and portray the matter-of-fact manner in which Zazi spoke of his plot and the seriousness of his intentions in carrying it out.

When the court asked Zazi what his intentions were in to traveling to Pakistan, he stated: "Our plan was to go to Afghanistan to fight with the Taliban. While we were in Peshawar, we were recruited by al Qaeda, instead. We were taken by al Qaeda to a training camp in Waziristan, where we received weapons training."

Although not explicitly stated, Zazi was recruited by al Qaeda’s external operations branch, the division assigned to carry out attacks against the West and inside the US.

Zazi then elaborated on how his intended target switched from US troops abroad to US civilians at home. "During the training, al Qaeda leaders asked us to return to the United States and conduct a martyrdom operation. We agreed to this plan."

During training, it seems that Zazi impressed leaders at the training camps with his potential in becoming a specialist in explosives, eventually being designated leader of the small terrorist cell. "Later, I received more training from al Qaeda about how to construct explosives for attack in the United States. During my training, I had discussions with al Qaeda leaders, including target locations, such as New York City subways." In further discussing the plot, the judge stopped Zazi to clarify his statement: “You used the word 'bomb.' Do you mean bomb or bombs?” “Bombs,” said Zazi. “Plural?” the judge asked. “Plural,” Zazi responded.

The plot concocted by Zazi and his co-conspirators (who, unlike Zazi, have pled not guilty), bears resemblance to the 2004 Madrid train bombings carried out by an al Qaeda-aligned cell. In that attack, multiple coordinated backpack bombs were detonated to ensure maximum casualties, ending in 191 deaths. The New York plot resembles even more closely the 2005 attacks on the London transit system, which killed 56 and wounded hundreds more when four suicide bombers detonated their explosives during rush hour.

These latest disclosures regarding al Qaeda's attempted reach come during a time of mounting concern and heightened security in light of the recent deadly Moscow transit bombings. Just two weeks ago, two female Black Widow suicide bombers detonated their explosives at separate metro stations, killing 39 people. The al Qaeda-affiliated Caucusus Emirate eventually took credit for the attacks.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2010/04/the_arrest_of_a_****.php#ixzz0l58JCvWt
 
In no way this is childish. Welcome to the real world. Media is not neutral or impartial. It is owned by the elite and states to serve their interests.

Did i challange that???

Investors don't use methods that normal people use to get their information. Just as an example, when Pakistan pulled up 10BN FDI in around 2005 or 2006, Pakistan was still being portrayed in the way it is.

I am not talking about corporations here. Only individuals.

Very poor apples and oranges comparison. The investors know Pakistan's potential through other means, that's why they're very keen to invest in Pakistan. The media means very little when it comes to that kind of information.

Oh really???? If investors don't give a sh1t about media then why the heck there is so much stress on advertisement industry??? Now mind it i am not saying that investors just rely on media to find out the economic situation of a country however saying "Who cares about Media" would be too much of an overstatement(to say the least)


Just one rumour can make the whole bloody stock market tremble and here you are suggesting that Investors don't care about what is being reported in media??? An investor would be 10 times more nervous to invest money in a country that is being associatd with instability on almost daily basis across the world...no matter on ground he/she is getting information "AAL IZZ WELL"

Let's clear the emotions from the reply...It is a global world and perception do make a strong impact....It effects your economy in a big way from tourism industry to FDI's to almost everything.... In short instability is inverse to progress and if there is a false impression of instability then it is like adding insult to the injury.....


In the end let me make it clear that i by no means disrespecting Pakistan...Even under the extreme conditions Pakistan is still able to attract investors...it just suggest how much potential you guys have however the rate at which FDI is coming to Pakistan can increase 10 folds if you guys can take care of your negative PR....
 
Oh really???? If investors don't give a sh1t about media then why the heck there is so much stress on advertisement industry??? Now mind it i am not saying that investors just rely on media to find out the economic situation of a country however saying "Who cares about Media" would be too much of an overstatement(to say the least)

What advertisement industry are you talking about? Are you talking about campaigns such as incredible india?

Also, I made my point clear as to why I don't care about the media, and I think it's a fair enough, rational, and unemotional assessment.

Just one rumour can make the whole bloody stock market tremble and here you are suggesting that Investors don't care about what is being reported in media??? An investor would be 10 times more nervous to invest money in a country that is being associatd with instability on almost daily basis across the world...no matter on ground he/she is getting information "AAL IZZ WELL"

I ask you then. Why did Pakistan receieve so much FDI back in 2005/2006 when Pakistan was still being portrayed by the media as it is today?

Let's clear the emotions from the reply...It is a global world and perception do make a strong impact....It effects your economy in a big way from tourism industry to FDI's to almost everything.... In short instability is inverse to progress and if there is a false impression of instability then it is like adding insult to the injury.....

What it makes an impact on is the general population. And the general population with thick minds relying on the media for their fair and balanced information will remain thick, so forget those people. And these people probably view india not too differently than Pakistan. There's plenty of people who are NOT that thick and realize that what media report is often quite different from the ground reality.

Just remember how fast Pakistan was growing for about 5 years in Musharraf's time with tourism also going up massively despite Pakistan still being portrayed the way it is today.
 
What advertisement industry are you talking about? Are you talking about campaigns such as incredible india?
yes...

Also, I made my point clear as to why I don't care about the media, and I think it's a fair enough, rational, and unemotional assessment.

My bad i should not have suspected emotional burst...However outright rejecting the role of media in today's global world is far fetched and that's why raises suspicion that person replying might not be applying rationale behind his/her assertion...


I ask you then. Why did Pakistan receieve so much FDI back in 2005/2006 when Pakistan was still being portrayed by the media as it is today?

May i ask why did FDI went to all time low just after the political turmoil that Pakistan went into??? Reason is plane simple...With Musharaff center of power was in one hand...This resulted in confidence among investors...The moment your political unstability sneaked in investors ran away...You will see the same trend even now...The more muscle your Civilian Govt. will gain more investments will come in...

As far as my above point about negative image is concerned just look at india's tourism industry results after the campaign was launched in 2003....Just recently there were news that similar campaign is going on in China to lure tourists...This is just one example...If your country fails to project that it is stable investors will run away...Now may i ask how do you think any country portrays that they are stable??? Don't you think media plays a big role in it????
 

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