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There is much more muslims in the UK than hindus. Islam is 2nd largest religion in britain but it will never be the majority.
New World Order: Muslims to be majority in Europe within two generations
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There is much more muslims in the UK than hindus. Islam is 2nd largest religion in britain but it will never be the majority.
uk and europe must have imegrents because they dont make kids alot they take muslems most of the time them and europe im not say it good or not im just say afact
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^ this! 100% this! The OP is clearly smoking high powered hash!
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that is utterly BULLCRAP....
UK
59.3% Christian
25.1% atheists
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4.8% muslim
1.5% hindus
what most religion hyper forget...the second largest "religion" in Europe is not muslim...they paly with 4-5% across europe no rule...
the secodn largest group in europe are atheists...with 20-40% depending on nation...
The higher the education the higher the group of atheists...
MORE important in europe Atheists is the fastest growing group of all "religions" by miles
Atheismus in Europe in number
UK 25.1%
Germany 36.2%
France 31%
Neatherlands 67.8%
Austria 24%
Czech 34.%
just to give you a picture that there is a huge ammount of european dont beliving in the bullcrap of religion...religion is something of the past not of today and not of the future
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I personally have a lot of Christian friends and they know how to keep religion away from professional, political and social life. Muslims are not ready to lead the west. Sad fact but true.
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Muslims are not ready to lead themselves let alone others!
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Most of the illegals are sent back systematical and Most of them are non muslims they travel from center of Africa to reach Europe and some are jewish.
The same old scare/Hate Mongering by a Jewish omg
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yes jewish imigrate non legal bia libya im sure some imigrant but legal in planeMost of the illegals are sent back systematical and Most of them are non muslims they travel from center of Africa to reach Europe and some are jewish.
The same old scare/Hate Mongering by a Jewish omg
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If it's a universal truth that you people shall remain a minority and Muslims will grow in large amount than why do you have a problem with Muslim growth. It is after all decreed by the one Lord whom you and we follow and surely there is nothing we humans can do when something our Lord has decided.
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Well there is hardly 0.1 % Muslims perhaps in some neighbourhood there may be a community but in total the percentage is quite low
Quite common to see in bus or gathering of 100-200 people may be 1 person is Muslim
Quite common to see in bus or gathering of 100-200 people may be 1 person is Muslim
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typical israeli bullshit topic.
The number of muslims in most european nations is far below 5%. In Italy its at 2%. In Poland and eastern europe below 1%. In Germany at 4% and same counts for Spain and Portugal.
I dont like them. But i´m realistic and i´m against spreading rubbish. Such kind of nonsense stirs up hate and thats what people who post such stuff try to achieve.
Its quite easy to bust this rubbish.
1. Who made this "study" according to the article? "GaveKal Research".
2. Is this group? Led by Charles Gave. A Zionist Jew. His partner is Anatole Kaletsky. Another jew.
So we see where this rubbish comes from. Now do the math. In Italy we have 61 million Italians and 1.2 million muslims.
That means we have 1.96 % muslims. Lets say half of them are women and from this 2/3 are able to give birth (minus the to old and young ones). That makes 450.000 women. If each gets 4 children in one generation then this makes 1.800.000 new muslims in one generation. Now you have to put away the parents and in the end you have 600.000 muslims more. this means they grow 1% in one generation.
All this under the ssumption that the italian population stagnates with +-0 growth. This means the muslims would need 60 generations to have as much people as Italians. Do you know what this means? One generation is 25.5 years. It means in 1530 years we would be equal, if absolute nothing changes.
Its good to be a populist. But dont spread rubbish. In worst case you lose control and trigger something tragic.
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The number of muslims in most european nations is far below 5%. In Italy its at 2%. In Poland and eastern europe below 1%. In Germany at 4% and same counts for Spain and Portugal.
I dont like them. But i´m realistic and i´m against spreading rubbish. Such kind of nonsense stirs up hate and thats what people who post such stuff try to achieve.
Its quite easy to bust this rubbish.
1. Who made this "study" according to the article? "GaveKal Research".
2. Is this group? Led by Charles Gave. A Zionist Jew. His partner is Anatole Kaletsky. Another jew.
So we see where this rubbish comes from. Now do the math. In Italy we have 61 million Italians and 1.2 million muslims.
That means we have 1.96 % muslims. Lets say half of them are women and from this 2/3 are able to give birth (minus the to old and young ones). That makes 450.000 women. If each gets 4 children in one generation then this makes 1.800.000 new muslims in one generation. Now you have to put away the parents and in the end you have 600.000 muslims more. this means they grow 1% in one generation.
All this under the ssumption that the italian population stagnates with +-0 growth. This means the muslims would need 60 generations to have as much people as Italians. Do you know what this means? One generation is 25.5 years. It means in 1530 years we would be equal, if absolute nothing changes.
Its good to be a populist. But dont spread rubbish. In worst case you lose control and trigger something tragic.
@HannibalBarca
There was a study in France with 25 percent of those aged 18 and under who identified themselves as Muslims
Islamization and Demographic Denialism in France
by Michel Gurfinkiel
PJ Media
March 14, 2016
52
Excerpt of an article originally published under the title "Latest Survey Finds 25% of French Teenagers Are Muslims."
A recent survey finds that 25% of French teenagers are Muslims.
One of the most striking cases of reality denial in contemporary France is demography: issues like birthrate, life expectancy, immigration, and emigration. On the face of it, you can hardly ignore such things, since they constantly reshape your environment and your way of life. Even without resorting to statistics, you are bound to perceive, out of day-to-day experience, what the current balance is between younger and older people, how many kids are to be found at an average home, and the ethnicity or religion of your neighbors, or the people you relate to at work or in business.
The French elites, both on the right and left, managed for five decades at least to dismiss the drastic demographic changes that had been taking place in their country, including the rise of Islam, since they clashed with too many political concepts – or fantasies – they had been brainwashed into accepting: the superiority of the "French social model;" the unique assimilative capacity of French society; equality for equality's sake; the primacy of individual values over family values; secularism; francophonie, or the assumption that all French-speaking nations in the world were a mere extension of France, and that all nations that defined themselves as "Francophone" did speak French or were subdued by French culture; and finally la politique arabe et islamique de la France, a supposed political and strategic affinity with the Arab and Muslim world.
Until 2004, compilation of ethnic, racial, and religious statistics was prohibited under French law.
One way for the elites to deny demographics was to reject ethnic-related investigation on legal or ethical grounds. Until 2004, ethnic, racial, and religious statistics were not allowed under French law – ostensibly to prevent a return of Vichy State-style racial persecutions. Even as the law was somehow relaxed, first in 2004 and again in 2007, many statisticians or demographers insisted on retaining a de facto ban on such investigations.
The issue turned into a nasty civil war among demographers, and especially within INED (the French National Institute for Demographic Studies) between a "classic" wing led by older demographers like Henri Léridon and Gérard Calot and then by the younger Michèle Tribalat, and a liberal or radical wing led by Hervé Le Bras.
Michèle Tribalat
In a recent interview with the French weekly Le Point, Tribalat dryly observed that the "well-connected" Le Bras described her as "the National Front Darling," an assertion that "destroyed her professional reputation." The son of a prestigious Catholic historian, Le Bras is indeed a very powerful man in his own right, who managed throughout his own career to accumulate tenures, honors, and positions of influence both in France and abroad.
The irony about his accusation against Tribalat is that, while intent to discuss the issue of immigration, she is an extremely cautious and conservative expert when it comes to actual figures. She has always tended to play down, in particular, the size of the French Muslim community.
In 1997, I observed in an essay for Middle East Quarterly that figures about French Islam were simply chaotic: there was too much discrepancy between sources:
The Ministry of Interior and Ined routinely speak of a Muslim population in France of 3 million. Sheikh Abbas, head of the Great Mosque in Paris, in 1987 spoke of twice as many – 6 million. Journalists usually adopt an estimate somewhere in the middle: for example, Philippe Bernard of Le Monde uses the figure of 3 to 4 million. The Catholic Church, a reliable source of information on religious trends in France, also estimates 4 million. Arabies, a French-Arab journal published in Paris, provides the following breakdown: 3.1 million Muslims of North African origin, 400,000 from the Middle East, 300,000 from Africa, 50,000 Asians, 50,000 converts of ethnic French origin, and 300,000 illegal immigrants from unknown countries. This brings the total to 4.2 million. One can state with reasonable certainty that the Muslim population of France numbers over 3 million (about 5 percent of the total French population) and quite probably over 4 million (6.6 percent).
Nineteen years later, accuracy has hardly improved in this respect. All sources agree that France as a whole underwent a moderate demographic growth: from 57 to 67 million, a 15% increase. (Throughout the same period of time, the U.S. enjoyed a 22% population increase, and China, under a government-enforced one-child policy, a 27% increase.) All sources agree also that there was a much sharper increase in French Muslim demographics – and that, accordingly, the moderate national growth may in fact just reflect the Muslim growth.
For all that, however, there are still no coherent figures about the Muslim community. According to CSA, a pollster that specializes in religious surveys, 6% of the citizens and residents of France identified with Islam in 2012: about 4 million people out of 65 million. IFOP, a leading national pollster, settled for 7% in 2011: 4.5 million. Pew concluded in 2010 a figure of 7.5%: 4.8 million. The CIA World Factbook mentioned 7% to 9% in 2015: from 4.6 to almost 6 million out of 66 million. INED claimed as early as 2009 an 8% figure: 5.1 million. Later, INED and French government sources gave 9% in 2014: 5.8 million.
Over two decades, the French Muslim population is thus supposed to have increased by 25% according to the lowest estimations, by 50% according to median estimations, or even by 100% if one compares the INED and government figures of 1997 to those of 2014, from 3 million to almost 6 million.
This is respectively almost two times, three times, or six times the French average population growth.
An impressive leap forward, whatever the estimation. But even more impressive is, just as was the case in 1997, the discrepancy between the estimates. Clearly, one set of estimates, at least, must be entirely erroneous. And it stands to reason that the lowest estimates are the least reliable.
First, we have a long-term pattern according to which, even within the lowest estimates, the Muslim population increase is accelerating. One explanation is that the previous low estimates were inaccurate.
Second, low estimates tend to focus on the global French population on one hand and on the global French Muslim population on the other hand, and to bypass a generational factor. The younger the population cohorts, the higher the proportion of Muslims. This is reflected in colloquial French by the widespread metonymical substitution of the word "jeune" (youth) for "jeune issu de l'immigration"(immigrant youth), or "jeune issu de la diversité" (non-European or non-Caucasian youth).
According to the first ethnic-related surveys released in early 2010, fully a fifth of French citizens or residents under twenty-four were Muslims.
Proportions were even higher in some places: 50% of the youth were estimated to be Muslim in the département (county) of Seine-Saint-Denis in the northern suburbs of Paris, or in the Lille conurbation in Northern France. A more recent survey validates these numbers.
Once proven wrong, deniers do not make amends. They move straight from fantasy to surrender.
An investigation of the French youths' religious beliefs was conducted last spring by Ipsos. It surveyed nine thousand high school pupils in their teens on behalf of the French National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS) and Sciences Po Grenoble.
The data was released on February 4, 2016, by L'Obs, France's leading liberal newsmagazine. Here are its findings:
Michel Gurfinkiel, a Shillman-Ginsburg Fellow at the Middle East Forum, is the founder and president of the Jean-Jacques Rousseau Institute, a conservative think tank in France.
Islamization and Demographic Denialism in France
by Michel Gurfinkiel
PJ Media
March 14, 2016
52
Excerpt of an article originally published under the title "Latest Survey Finds 25% of French Teenagers Are Muslims."
A recent survey finds that 25% of French teenagers are Muslims.
One of the most striking cases of reality denial in contemporary France is demography: issues like birthrate, life expectancy, immigration, and emigration. On the face of it, you can hardly ignore such things, since they constantly reshape your environment and your way of life. Even without resorting to statistics, you are bound to perceive, out of day-to-day experience, what the current balance is between younger and older people, how many kids are to be found at an average home, and the ethnicity or religion of your neighbors, or the people you relate to at work or in business.
The French elites, both on the right and left, managed for five decades at least to dismiss the drastic demographic changes that had been taking place in their country, including the rise of Islam, since they clashed with too many political concepts – or fantasies – they had been brainwashed into accepting: the superiority of the "French social model;" the unique assimilative capacity of French society; equality for equality's sake; the primacy of individual values over family values; secularism; francophonie, or the assumption that all French-speaking nations in the world were a mere extension of France, and that all nations that defined themselves as "Francophone" did speak French or were subdued by French culture; and finally la politique arabe et islamique de la France, a supposed political and strategic affinity with the Arab and Muslim world.
Until 2004, compilation of ethnic, racial, and religious statistics was prohibited under French law.
One way for the elites to deny demographics was to reject ethnic-related investigation on legal or ethical grounds. Until 2004, ethnic, racial, and religious statistics were not allowed under French law – ostensibly to prevent a return of Vichy State-style racial persecutions. Even as the law was somehow relaxed, first in 2004 and again in 2007, many statisticians or demographers insisted on retaining a de facto ban on such investigations.
The issue turned into a nasty civil war among demographers, and especially within INED (the French National Institute for Demographic Studies) between a "classic" wing led by older demographers like Henri Léridon and Gérard Calot and then by the younger Michèle Tribalat, and a liberal or radical wing led by Hervé Le Bras.
Michèle Tribalat
In a recent interview with the French weekly Le Point, Tribalat dryly observed that the "well-connected" Le Bras described her as "the National Front Darling," an assertion that "destroyed her professional reputation." The son of a prestigious Catholic historian, Le Bras is indeed a very powerful man in his own right, who managed throughout his own career to accumulate tenures, honors, and positions of influence both in France and abroad.
The irony about his accusation against Tribalat is that, while intent to discuss the issue of immigration, she is an extremely cautious and conservative expert when it comes to actual figures. She has always tended to play down, in particular, the size of the French Muslim community.
In 1997, I observed in an essay for Middle East Quarterly that figures about French Islam were simply chaotic: there was too much discrepancy between sources:
The Ministry of Interior and Ined routinely speak of a Muslim population in France of 3 million. Sheikh Abbas, head of the Great Mosque in Paris, in 1987 spoke of twice as many – 6 million. Journalists usually adopt an estimate somewhere in the middle: for example, Philippe Bernard of Le Monde uses the figure of 3 to 4 million. The Catholic Church, a reliable source of information on religious trends in France, also estimates 4 million. Arabies, a French-Arab journal published in Paris, provides the following breakdown: 3.1 million Muslims of North African origin, 400,000 from the Middle East, 300,000 from Africa, 50,000 Asians, 50,000 converts of ethnic French origin, and 300,000 illegal immigrants from unknown countries. This brings the total to 4.2 million. One can state with reasonable certainty that the Muslim population of France numbers over 3 million (about 5 percent of the total French population) and quite probably over 4 million (6.6 percent).
Nineteen years later, accuracy has hardly improved in this respect. All sources agree that France as a whole underwent a moderate demographic growth: from 57 to 67 million, a 15% increase. (Throughout the same period of time, the U.S. enjoyed a 22% population increase, and China, under a government-enforced one-child policy, a 27% increase.) All sources agree also that there was a much sharper increase in French Muslim demographics – and that, accordingly, the moderate national growth may in fact just reflect the Muslim growth.
For all that, however, there are still no coherent figures about the Muslim community. According to CSA, a pollster that specializes in religious surveys, 6% of the citizens and residents of France identified with Islam in 2012: about 4 million people out of 65 million. IFOP, a leading national pollster, settled for 7% in 2011: 4.5 million. Pew concluded in 2010 a figure of 7.5%: 4.8 million. The CIA World Factbook mentioned 7% to 9% in 2015: from 4.6 to almost 6 million out of 66 million. INED claimed as early as 2009 an 8% figure: 5.1 million. Later, INED and French government sources gave 9% in 2014: 5.8 million.
Over two decades, the French Muslim population is thus supposed to have increased by 25% according to the lowest estimations, by 50% according to median estimations, or even by 100% if one compares the INED and government figures of 1997 to those of 2014, from 3 million to almost 6 million.
This is respectively almost two times, three times, or six times the French average population growth.
An impressive leap forward, whatever the estimation. But even more impressive is, just as was the case in 1997, the discrepancy between the estimates. Clearly, one set of estimates, at least, must be entirely erroneous. And it stands to reason that the lowest estimates are the least reliable.
First, we have a long-term pattern according to which, even within the lowest estimates, the Muslim population increase is accelerating. One explanation is that the previous low estimates were inaccurate.
Second, low estimates tend to focus on the global French population on one hand and on the global French Muslim population on the other hand, and to bypass a generational factor. The younger the population cohorts, the higher the proportion of Muslims. This is reflected in colloquial French by the widespread metonymical substitution of the word "jeune" (youth) for "jeune issu de l'immigration"(immigrant youth), or "jeune issu de la diversité" (non-European or non-Caucasian youth).
According to the first ethnic-related surveys released in early 2010, fully a fifth of French citizens or residents under twenty-four were Muslims.
Proportions were even higher in some places: 50% of the youth were estimated to be Muslim in the département (county) of Seine-Saint-Denis in the northern suburbs of Paris, or in the Lille conurbation in Northern France. A more recent survey validates these numbers.
Once proven wrong, deniers do not make amends. They move straight from fantasy to surrender.
An investigation of the French youths' religious beliefs was conducted last spring by Ipsos. It surveyed nine thousand high school pupils in their teens on behalf of the French National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS) and Sciences Po Grenoble.
The data was released on February 4, 2016, by L'Obs, France's leading liberal newsmagazine. Here are its findings:
- 38.8% of French youths do not identify with a religion.
- 33.2% describe themselves as Christian.
- 25.5% call themselves Muslim.
- 1.6% identify as Jewish.
- Only 40% of the young non-Muslim believers (and 22% of the Catholics) describe religion as "something important or very important."
- But 83% of young Muslims agree with that statement.
Michel Gurfinkiel, a Shillman-Ginsburg Fellow at the Middle East Forum, is the founder and president of the Jean-Jacques Rousseau Institute, a conservative think tank in France.
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