New report shows the lengths to which Huawei has gone to copy Apple

[F-22Raptor]

An engineer for the China-based smartphone maker Huawei recently sent a photo of some product design material to an Apple supplier. The Huawei engineer’s note gently prodded the supplier to “suggest a design you already have experience with,” but the supplier didn’t play ball.

In case it’s not obvious from reading that, that encounter is reflective of the many ways Huawei has allegedly tried to copy and outright steal Apple trade secrets — an effort the US government outlined in detail in a series of criminal charges against the company that were unveiled last month. A new report today from The Information adds to the mix, reporting details of encounters like the one above, as well as another involving a meeting between Huawei engineers working on a smartwatch and representatives of a component supplier.

During that particular meeting, The Information reports, the Huawei engineers teased promises of making a big order from the supplier while also trying to suss out specs related to the Apple Watch’s heart sensor. They asked the supplier to estimate how much such a sensor costs, suggesting a roundabout probe into the economics around certain Apple products. “The Huawei engineer attended the supplier meeting with four Huawei researchers in tow,” The Information’s report notes. “The Huawei team spent the next hour and a half pressing the supplier for details about the Apple Watch, the executive said.

“’They were trying their luck, but we wouldn’t tell them anything,’ the executive said. After that, Huawei went silent.”

Per Macrumors, encounters like that one reflect “a pattern of dubious tactics” on Huawei’s part to try and score technology from China-based suppliers that work for Apple. “According to a Huawei spokesperson,” the site reports today, “the company has not been in the wrong: ‘In conducting research and development, Huawei employees must search and use publicly available information and respect third-party intellectual property per our business-conduct guidelines.'”

However, “Huawei’s information gathering program led to incidents like the Huawei engineer probing a supplier for Apple Watch details, as well as Huawei copying a component of the MacBook Pro. Specifically, the company built a connector for its MateBook Pro that was just like the one used in Apple’s MacBook Pro from 2016, allowing the computer’s hinge to be thinner while still attaching the display to the logic board.”

Huawei approached several suppliers, the site goes on to report, and provided them with schematics like Apple’s, “but most recognized the part and refused to make it for Huawei. The company told The Information that it requires suppliers to uphold a high standard of ethics and that it doesn’t seek or have access to its competitor’s confidential information. Eventually, Huawei found a willing supplier and the connector was built into the MateBook Pro.”

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[F-22Raptor]

Chinese simply don’t have imagination....it’s why they have to steal everything under the sun from US companies. They are frauds.

 

[nahtanbob]

An engineer for the China-based smartphone maker Huawei recently sent a photo of some product design material to an Apple supplier. The Huawei engineer’s note gently prodded the supplier to “suggest a design you already have experience with,” but the supplier didn’t play ball.

In case it’s not obvious from reading that, that encounter is reflective of the many ways Huawei has allegedly tried to copy and outright steal Apple trade secrets — an effort the US government outlined in detail in a series of criminal charges against the company that were unveiled last month. A new report today from The Information adds to the mix, reporting details of encounters like the one above, as well as another involving a meeting between Huawei engineers working on a smartwatch and representatives of a component supplier.

During that particular meeting, The Information reports, the Huawei engineers teased promises of making a big order from the supplier while also trying to suss out specs related to the Apple Watch’s heart sensor. They asked the supplier to estimate how much such a sensor costs, suggesting a roundabout probe into the economics around certain Apple products. “The Huawei engineer attended the supplier meeting with four Huawei researchers in tow,” The Information’s report notes. “The Huawei team spent the next hour and a half pressing the supplier for details about the Apple Watch, the executive said.

“’They were trying their luck, but we wouldn’t tell them anything,’ the executive said. After that, Huawei went silent.”

Per Macrumors, encounters like that one reflect “a pattern of dubious tactics” on Huawei’s part to try and score technology from China-based suppliers that work for Apple. “According to a Huawei spokesperson,” the site reports today, “the company has not been in the wrong: ‘In conducting research and development, Huawei employees must search and use publicly available information and respect third-party intellectual property per our business-conduct guidelines.'”

However, “Huawei’s information gathering program led to incidents like the Huawei engineer probing a supplier for Apple Watch details, as well as Huawei copying a component of the MacBook Pro. Specifically, the company built a connector for its MateBook Pro that was just like the one used in Apple’s MacBook Pro from 2016, allowing the computer’s hinge to be thinner while still attaching the display to the logic board.”

Huawei approached several suppliers, the site goes on to report, and provided them with schematics like Apple’s, “but most recognized the part and refused to make it for Huawei. The company told The Information that it requires suppliers to uphold a high standard of ethics and that it doesn’t seek or have access to its competitor’s confidential information. Eventually, Huawei found a willing supplier and the connector was built into the MateBook Pro.”

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Who are these Apple suppliers ? Are they Western companies with china operations ?

 

[Viva_Viet]

Huawei chairman and staff will be arrested and put in jail for stealing when traveling to US and US allies

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Chinese simply don’t have imagination....it’s why they have to steal everything under the sun from US companies. They are frauds.

There's a piece of wisdom you should learn: take from a thief everything he has, for nothing he has is his own.

The US is the greatest thief in history. It is a country founded on stolen land and built by stolen people. Nothing it has and nothing it will ever have belongs to it. Everything is fair game for China to take.

 

[F-22Raptor]

There's a piece of wisdom you should learn: take from a thief everything he has, for nothing he has is his own.

The US is the greatest thief in history. It is a country founded on stolen land and built by stolen people. Nothing it has and nothing it will ever have belongs to it. Everything is fair game for China to take.

The US has contributed more to the advancement of humans in the last 200 years than China has in the last 2,000. What revolutionary product has China developed in modern history? The fact is that our imagination and capabilities in fundamental research will always give us the edge over China. China is a follower...and that eats at you because you know it’s true.

 

[kankan326]

The US has contributed more to the advancement of humans in the last 200 years than China has in the last 2,000. What revolutionary product has China developed in modern history? The fact is that our imagination and capabilities in fundamental research will always give us the edge over China. China is a follower...and that eats at you because you know it’s true.

US is another Europe, which had been ahead of world in science and technology for centuries. And US is even in a better situation than Europe in term of developing science and tchnology. Because it has been enjoying war dividend since world war 1 and world war 2. Money and talents flooded to US from all world. Which are the two crucical factors for S&T development.

China on the other hand had zero modern S&T back to 100 years ago. It even didn't have the concept of S&T back then. China is a later comer. It was until Mao age when China's education system had not been established. China had very few well educated people. Neither had momey. This the real situation China was in 40 years ago when Deng opened the door to the world.

 

[bobsm]

There's a piece of wisdom you should learn: take from a thief everything he has, for nothing he has is his own.

The US is the greatest thief in history. It is a country founded on stolen land and built by stolen people. Nothing it has and nothing it will ever have belongs to it. Everything is fair game for China to take.

Here is a nice article:

The US complains that others steal its technology, but America was once a tech pirate itself

PRI's The World

February 18, 2014 · 8:00 PM EST
Producer Christopher Woolf


In 1787, American agent Andrew Mitchell was intercepted by British authorities as he was trying to smuggle new technology out of the UK.

His trunk was seized after being loaded on board a ship. Inside the trunk were models and drawings of one Britain's great industrial machines.

Mitchell himself was able to escape and sought refuge in Denmark. But his mission marks the start of a sustained US campaign to steal technology from the world's hi-tech superpower of the day.

Mitchell was sent by Pennsylvanian economist and businessman, Tench Coxe, a close associate of Alexander Hamilton who was soon to become the first Secretary of the United States Treasury. Hamilton and Coxe were both convinced of the need for America to industrialize.

Their ideas are articulated in a Report on Manufactures presented to Congress in 1791. The report reminded Congress of the enormous problems the Americans had had during the Revolution because of the shortages of all kinds of military supplies, from guns and ships to shoes and uniforms.

At the time of the American Revolution, the 13 colonies were overwhelmingly agrarian and rural. Hamilton also believed in the importance of America developing its stock of capital, so it could invest in big economic and infrastructure projects. So the report urged Congress to do everything possible to nurture and protect manufacturing in America.

Historian Doron Ben-Altar describes Hamilton's campaign as "unabashed, state-sanctioned flouting of British law." Ben-Altar argues that Hamilton acted as though intellectual property, like physical property, was confined by national frontiers.

Hamilton had already won one victory at the constitutional convention, by adding the power to issue patents to the federal government. Benjamin Franklin apparently opposed the measure: he never applied for patent protection for any of his inventions, arguing they belonged to all mankind.

Hamilton used patents to lure immigrants with skills and knowledge to move to the United States. George Parkinson, for example, was awarded a patent in 1791 for a textile spinning machine, which was really just a rip-off of a machine he had used in England. The United States also paid his family's expenses to emigrate and re-locate to the US.

Coxe and Hamilton also helped set up various "societies for encouraging manufactures and useful arts."

The Brits were not happy about the attempts to steal their intellectual property. Severe penalties were on the books for anyone trying to take machines or designs out of the country, or even to lure skilled workers. It was actually illegal for such skilled workers to leave the country.

One man who eluded the British authorities was Samuel Slater, who heard about the US incentives and made his way to Rhode Island in 1789.

Slater had been apprenticed to a textile factory owner in England and brought his knowledge of the new cotton carding and spinning machines in use there. He became a partner with Rhode Island businessman, Moses Brown, and together they set up the first cotton factory in the US.

Slater became so rich that at the time of his death, his net worth amounted to one tenth of a percent of the country's gross national product.

In 1810, Massachusetts businessman Francis Cabot Lowell visited England and spent his time trying to figure out how the Brits had managed to automate the process of weaving cloth. He charmed his way into factories and attempted to memorize what he saw.

Back in New England, he worked with a clockmaker and managed to reproduce the weaving machine. Soon he and his Boston associates built a whole new city on the Merrimac River to house their new textile factories. The city was ultimately named Lowell after the enterprising spy.

The drive to acquire foreign intellectual property died down in the early 19th century, as home-grown Yankee ingenuity came to the fore, supported by American venture capital. However, America's industrial development in the first generation after independence was not guaranteed, and we can thank Hamilton for providing state support and protection of these new businesses.

Maybe the same will ultimately happen with China in the 21st century.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02...re-stealing-us-technology-america-has-history

 

[Kai Liu]

The US has contributed more to the advancement of humans in the last 200 years than China has in the last 2,000. What revolutionary product has China developed in modern history? The fact is that our imagination and capabilities in fundamental research will always give us the edge over China. China is a follower...and that eats at you because you know it’s true.

Today's white men are useless. Check your universities' group pages to see how many Asians are there, I will say about 2/3... Asians do the job while white men receive the prize. That is pretty much about today's white men, just like you, waste your time here boasting...

 

[Menthol]

Not to mention many of Chinese phone makers use Gorilla glass that first used in iPhone.

China is stealing by buying it from Gorilla glass producer.

But Apple is not clean too, because Apple is stealing Samsung camera by buying it directly from Samsung.

Horrible!!!

That's what will happen if you let Lawyers run the country.

 

[Thorough Pro]

You can say the same about the beginnings of US rocket/missile technology and don't forget to thank uncle Hitler

Chinese simply don’t have imagination....it’s why they have to steal everything under the sun from US companies. They are frauds.

 

[kankan326]

But Apple is not clean too, because Apple is stealing Samsung camera by buying it directly from Samsung.

Actually this kind thing happens in almost every company. And it is most commen phenominon in human history. Singling out Huawei by this universal flaw is very lame.
All cars look similar. All planes look similar..... Almost everything looks similar.

 

[conworldus]

American media is going pretty far manufacturing fake news on anything Chinese these days. Just take everything Americans say with a grain of salt. When I was young I used to believe that American media was free. Now I have realized that they are all paid and controlled by the American government behind the fake veil of "free media." True, you won't go to jail by criticizing the US government, but you might just get hit by a car when you cross the street...

 

[rott]

An engineer for the China-based smartphone maker Huawei recently sent a photo of some product design material to an Apple supplier. The Huawei engineer’s note gently prodded the supplier to “suggest a design you already have experience with,” but the supplier didn’t play ball.

In case it’s not obvious from reading that, that encounter is reflective of the many ways Huawei has allegedly tried to copy and outright steal Apple trade secrets — an effort the US government outlined in detail in a series of criminal charges against the company that were unveiled last month. A new report today from The Information adds to the mix, reporting details of encounters like the one above, as well as another involving a meeting between Huawei engineers working on a smartwatch and representatives of a component supplier.

During that particular meeting, The Information reports, the Huawei engineers teased promises of making a big order from the supplier while also trying to suss out specs related to the Apple Watch’s heart sensor. They asked the supplier to estimate how much such a sensor costs, suggesting a roundabout probe into the economics around certain Apple products. “The Huawei engineer attended the supplier meeting with four Huawei researchers in tow,” The Information’s report notes. “The Huawei team spent the next hour and a half pressing the supplier for details about the Apple Watch, the executive said.

“’They were trying their luck, but we wouldn’t tell them anything,’ the executive said. After that, Huawei went silent.”

Per Macrumors, encounters like that one reflect “a pattern of dubious tactics” on Huawei’s part to try and score technology from China-based suppliers that work for Apple. “According to a Huawei spokesperson,” the site reports today, “the company has not been in the wrong: ‘In conducting research and development, Huawei employees must search and use publicly available information and respect third-party intellectual property per our business-conduct guidelines.'”

However, “Huawei’s information gathering program led to incidents like the Huawei engineer probing a supplier for Apple Watch details, as well as Huawei copying a component of the MacBook Pro. Specifically, the company built a connector for its MateBook Pro that was just like the one used in Apple’s MacBook Pro from 2016, allowing the computer’s hinge to be thinner while still attaching the display to the logic board.”

Huawei approached several suppliers, the site goes on to report, and provided them with schematics like Apple’s, “but most recognized the part and refused to make it for Huawei. The company told The Information that it requires suppliers to uphold a high standard of ethics and that it doesn’t seek or have access to its competitor’s confidential information. Eventually, Huawei found a willing supplier and the connector was built into the MateBook Pro.”

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=newssearch&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjGgbHq_sjgAhUvhOAKHcuJAhgQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https://bgr.com/2019/02/18/huawei-apple-trade-secrets-copy-new-report/&psig=AOvVaw2HdS7IZPWQ9ciAmSf4mCAb&ust=1550706719049220

Kettle calling the pot black.
Isn't it hilarious?

 

[qwerrty]

there's smearing campaign going on agaist huawei from the US and is failing. people shouldn't believe anything related to huawei from american mouths. lol.. anyone believe in this sh1t must have very low iq or living a hateful life like some dude here.

in recent years, all apple been doing is aping huawei and others left & right. when huawei released 2 cameras phone, a year later apple released theirs. now they plan to release 3 cameras phone with wireless reverse charging that huawei already made last year. this is reality, not bs smearing fake news from anonymous like in article above. lol