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New Mi-171 for Pakistan Army

i think blackhawk are best for us but MI 17 is one of the best i think we should not stop buying MI 17 but we also buy black hawks along side MI 17 for utility
MI 17 Army 30 Airforce 20
Black Hawk Army 20 Airforce 10
Knight Hawk Navy 5
MI 24 Army 5 Navy 3 for heavy weapons tranfer

By the way how much this will cost? Is there any real need that we should have both?
I think our Army is capable enough to decide what is best for their needs & requirements.
Mi-17 must have been serving the purpose that is why Pak Army is persistent with it.
 
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Four more Pakistan Army Mi-17 helicopters arrived back at Chaklala on July 14, 2010, after completing overhauls funded by the US government.

This latest batch of four (Sr. No. 58623, 58624, 58625 and 58631) were refurbished at the No. 356 Aviation Repair Plant in Engels, Russia.

Previously, 12 of these units have been returned, and after these four, 8 more are scheduled to be returned this year.

Negotitations for funding refurbishment of a further 10 Mi-17s are underway.
 
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Mi-17s are the work-hoses of Army Aviation right now. My respect for this platform has grown tremendously in the past few months. The Cobras, with all their might, used to overshadow the Mi-17 for military enthusiasts in Pakistan, however, after their utility in the recent operations, this platform has come into its own.

The Army's love affair with the Mi-17 has been justified. There have been a couple unpleasant incidences, but overall, it's performed as well as would be expected from something that wears the Pakistani flag.

with all together different roles both cobra and Mi-17 stand out for there own performance.
the Mi-17 are really good for PA aviation transport wing being a good reliable platform with almost no liability of spares as they are very unlikely to get effected but any sanctions being deployed all aroud the globe.
moreover, china's production of Mi-17 clear any doubts hanging ove PA Mi-17 in case of sanction.

all in all we can say that they are really the best option for pakistan with no strings attached,

regards!
 
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^^^local over-hauls are very critical for the Mi-17s as more examples are being inducted in the PA/PAF.
Good Job by the maintenance crews - the un-sung heroes!:pakistan:

that is another important thing!
we can over haul these at home,
no issues with spares and other required support with many countries involved in platform specially chines production line..

Mi-17 are here to stay.

i will infact go to extent that black hawks are no good for pakistan as there always is a sword hanging on your head that comes as part and parcel of every equipment purchased from US.

regards!
 
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so any new features on these MI 17 pakistan can get or just they instal same things as we have before




More than 12,000 Mi-8 (NATO codename Hip) multi-purpose helicopters have been produced, with more than 2,800 exported, and they are operational with over 50 air forces worldwide.

The helicopters are manufactured by the Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant JSC in Moscow, the Kazan Helicopter Plant JSC in Kazan and the Ulan-Ude Aviation Plant, and are available in civil and military versions. The military variants include the Mi-8T transport, VIP transport, electronic warfare, reconnaissance, Mi-8TV armed version and the search and rescue Mi-8MPS.

Recent orders include: 40 Mi-8TV helicopters for India fitted with Vikhr-M (AT-16) air-to-surface missiles (delivered by the end of 2001), a number of Mi-17s for Iran, ten for Malaysia, 20 to Columbia, six for India, 12 for Pakistan and 20 for Venezuela (deliveries began February 2006). In February 2005, the Iraqi Air Force ordered ten Mi-17V-5 from Bumar of Poland. In December 2005, the Czech Army received 16 Mi-17SH helicopters as part of a debt settlement with Russia. These helicopters have been donated to the Army of Afghanistan. The first three were handed over in December 2007.

In November 2006, the Indian Air Force announced the procurement of a further 80 Mi-17-1V helicopters for delivery in 2007-2008 and a planned procurement of 197 helicopters for the Indian Army.

In July 2002, Kazan signed an international marketing agreement with BAE Systems of the UK and Kelowna Flightcraft of Canada for an upgraded version, the Mi-172 medium-utility and transport helicopter. The Mi-172 has a new mission system from BAE Systems Avionics, new glass cockpit with Honeywell electronic flight instrument system and BAE Systems' Titan 385 stabilised multi-sensor turret. The upgraded helicopter has been ordered by the Kazakhstan Air Force.

In 2007, Croatia placed an order for 10 Mi-171Sh helicopters as part of the discharge of debt owed to Croatia by the Russian Federation. The first two were delivered in December 2007.

M-17 HIP MULTIMISSION HELCOPTER

The improved version of the Mi-8 is the Mi-17 Hip multi-purpose helicopter, also known as the Mi-8TMB. It is specifically designed for improved capabilities at high altitudes and in hot weather conditions.

The Mi-17 is identifiable from the Mi-8 by the additional air filters on the turbine air intakes, as well as left hand side mounted tail rotor, required by the more powerful TB-3-117A turboshaft engines it is fitted with.

MI-8T TRANSPORT HELICOPTER

The Mi-8T military-transport helicopter is configured with a conventional pod and boom, with a tail rotor and non-retractable tricycle nosewheel landing gear. The five-bladed rotor is made from aluminium alloy.

The cockpit accommodates three crew: commander, navigator and flight mechanic. The cockpit and the main cabin are heated and air conditioning is optional. An oxygen system is provided for the crew and for casualties in the ambulance and rescue variants of the helicopter.

"The Mi-8's external cargo sling is rated to carry 3,000kg."The survivability features of the Mi-8 include crew cabin armour plating, explosive-resistant foam filling in the fuel tanks, a fire-fighting system and duplicated and standby hydraulic and power systems and main control circuits. De-icing systems are installed.

MI-8 CARGO SYSTEMS

The helicopter's landing-transport equipment can be used to load light towed combat material and armament via winches and to rescue people from the ground or from the sea by an electrically operated hoist (200kg capacity).

The cabin has cargo tie-down points on the floor. Ramps are provided for loading vehicles. The cabin can accommodate twelve litters (stretchers). The external cargo sling is rated to carry 3,000kg.

KLIMOV TURBOSHAFT ENGINES

The Mi-8T helicopter is powered by two Klimov TV2-117 turboshafts engines. Deflectors are installed on the engine air intakes to prevent ingestion of dust when taking off from unprepared pads. The helicopters also have an Auxiliary Power Unit (APU) for self-contained operations.

The helicopter carries 1,870l of fuel in two flexible internal tanks and two external tanks. The total fuel capacity can be increased to 3,700l by installing up to two ferry tanks in the cabin.

MI-8TV ARMED HELICOPTER

The armed variant, designated Mi-8TV, is fitted with 7.62mm built-in machine guns and six external weapons racks with S-5 rockets. The helicopter can also deploy AT-2 Swatter 9M 17P Skorpion anti-tank missiles. The helicopter's weapon sighting system is the PKV collimating sight. Mi-8TV is also capable of laying minefields.

The armed Mi-8TV helicopters are fitted with more powerful TV3-117VMA engines, which give an improved hovering ceiling (3,950m compared to the 1,760m of the Mi-8MT). The maximum slung payload of the armed helicopter is increased to 4,000kg.

A Hot Brick infrared jammer can be fitted, and six ASO-2V flare dispensers are installed: three to the port and three to the starboard side of the fuselage.

MI-8MPS SEARCH AND RESCUE HELICOPTER

"The armed Mi-8TV helicopters are fitted with more powerful TV3-117VMA engines."The Mi-8MPS search and rescue helicopter was developed from the military transport helicopter. In rescue missions, the helicopter crew drop radio-beacons to mark the distress area and deliver rescue teams to aid and recover the casualties.

The helicopter can lift ten people at a time on a sling via a PSN-10 life raft and is provided with an emergency landing device that ensures buoyancy for up to 30 minutes.

The fuselage of the Mi-8MPS incorporates specific modifications for search and rescue missions, including a larger entrance door, two starboard hatches, a raft container and external additional fuel tanks. Other equipment includes PNKV-8PS pilot/navigation system, YuR-40.1 radar system, TAPAS thermal search and rescue equipment, an airborne jib with LPG-300 winch and scoop

SPACECRAFT RECOVERY

For spacecraft recovery the Mi-8MPS helicopter delivers operational and technical groups with rescue equipment to the landing zone.

Instrument and visual search methods are used to locate spacecraft returning from space missions and parachuting into landing zones. The helicopter is used to recover the cosmonaut and return him to base. Space objects weighing up to 3,000kg are transported by sling to the nearest aerodrome.
 
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Is it lawful to overhaul Russian made mi-17 in pakistan?if it is then can pakistan do the overhaul of cobras or black-hawk(if u get them) locally?
 
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well MI 17 is good but not latest our armed forces should consider Black hawk helicopter
 
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well MI 17 is good but not latest our armed forces should consider Black hawk helicopter

the black hawks are prone to sanctions, delays and what not..
why not stick to a reliable platformm such as Mi-17.
any reason??

regards!
 
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the black hawks are prone to sanctions, delays and what not..
why not stick to a reliable platformm such as Mi-17.
any reason??

regards!

exactly,
we should no more look towards US for platforms that we can get from other reliable sources.
if we analyze our position and past experiences witth US, the Mi-17 is no doubt a far better option for us then the black hawk!

regards!
 
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Pakistan needs atleast 8 to 10 more squardons of Mi17. its sad to see the state of Pakistani Army aviation...

Musharaaf revived to have a Army airborne division, what happened to it? any word on its progress?
 
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Yeah lets stick to MI-171 Versitile platform , need 100-200 helicopters ofr Army size of 500,000 troops
 
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Yeah lets stick to MI-171 Versitile platform , need 100-200 helicopters ofr Army size of 500,000 troops

200 would be too much or needless.........

PAK Aviation may be needed

60 MI-171
60 Utility Helos?
60 Fighting Helos like Cobra we need to replace them by APACHI
 
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200 would be too much or needless.........

PAK Aviation may be needed

60 MI-171
60 Utility Helos?
60 Fighting Helos like Cobra we need to replace them by APACHI

120-140 Mi-17s or 100-120 Mi-17s and 15-20 more heavier ones if possible.

80 or so Medium lift helicopters, Bell 412s / AW-149 types

30-40 light ones, AS-550 / Z-11 types

and i would suggest, that we do standardization among the AF, PA & PN wherever possible, plus also for the civil arms where helicopters are required. This would allow usage of each other assets in need of emergencies, as well as economy of scales for procurement of spare parts, and may even go for some local spare part production facility due to the large number of helicopters being used.
 
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15-20 more heavier ones if possible.


And what are options with regard to heavier helicopters? Seems to me, it would have to be Russian Helicopters as well
 
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