New ISI DG Appointed

[Task Force Black]

This is a continuation of some very blunt and direct exchanges in the oval office and with recent CIA and ISI interactions regarding serious allegations of intelligence leaks.

If 'moles' in the ISI have leaked any form of intelligence to the Taliban and Al-Quedia in the very recent past and have thus in anyway prevented the successful termination of high priority missions placing Pakistani and International Security at risk; should such persons be hidden away behind a curtain of secrecy as an asset, or should the simply be executed on the spot.

Even the hint of allegation of intelligence leaks between agencies will be taken deadly seriously. When they lean on the chiefs in public, someone somewhere will pay. Mark it.

 

[fatman17]

Valid point - in fact that is what I initially thought when I heard of the postings, but then Zardari referred to them specifically in his IHT interview, and that lead me to speculate that perhaps they were more than 'routine' reasons for the postings.

IMO AZ had nothing to offer except this. in the ISI the Brig's are department heads but they dont have a free hand to operate. the DG-ISI has the authority to delegate orders to the deptt heads. rogue elements (if any) can operate at field level and at middle level (capt/major) not at deptt. level. (u will notice that some retired ISI officers generally of the rank of major are usually still linked to the militants because of their islamic bent)

 

[metalfalcon]

^we have no choice - this battle is going to the very end, and there is going to be more collateral damage before things improve and the locals return to their homes. according to recent media reports, the locals are supporting the army to get rid of the "Talib". they have formed "Lashkers" to defend their villages.
as far as getting rid of the ISI boss, its not going to happen bcuz Gen.Kiyani is fully supporting him as are the corps commanders (they have taken a stand on this issue).

They have just changed the ISI Director General

 

[metalfalcon]

Many high level changes have been made today in which 7 Major generals were promoted to the rank of Lieutenant General.

The director General of ISI has been changed due to AMERICAN PRESSURE . Lieutenant General Ahmed Shuja Pasha has replaced Lieutenant General Nadeem Taj

 

[BATMAN]

Pak President Zardari met CIA Director secretly: Report
30 Sep 2008, 0056 hrs IST,PTI

NEW YORK: Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari secretly met the director of America's Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Michael Hayden on his recent US visit, a media report said on Monday.

Details of the meeting were not given but a regular columnist of the New York Times reported that Zardari has replaced heads of three directorates of the Pakistani intelligence agency ISI.

Zardari said Pakistan's new government will confront the Taliban militants, to "free the country" from their hold.

"It is my decision that we will go after them (Taliban insurgents), we will free this country," he told Roger Cohen in an interview. "Yes, this is my first priority because I will have no country otherwise. I will be president of what?"

The article said Zardari also spoke for "genuine conciliation" with India and Afghanistan, which is essential to the region's stability.

Asked if the assassination of his wife motivated him to confront Islamic militancy, he replied in the affirmative, but said he intends to fight the Taliban insurgents because they were a "cancer" to the society.

"I will fight them because they are a cancer to my society, not because of my wife only, but because they are a cancer, yes, and they did kill the mother of my children, so their way of life is what I want to kill; I will suck the oxygen out of their system so there will be no Talibs," he was quoted as saying.

 

[BATMAN]

WHAT IS OUR GOVERNMENT DOING AND WHERE IS OUR MEDIA ?

Do we have GOVERNMENT?
Any how it is quite obvious what present regime is trying to do (hastily) from day 1.
The only head of state Zardari is interested to meet is:
Manmohan, Karzai, Bush & Brown.
What he is trying to do is:
Open our southern borders with india for transport traffic!
In respect to WOT: he started with pulling out troops from Sawat, releasing captive terrorists, making peace deals with all sorts of resistive elements, destroying economy, investment trend, industry and currency, divide country on provincial lines, issue Pakistani nationality to foreign agents i.e. Mangel, destroy Pakistan's state relations with friendly states, leak classified information to anti Pakistan elements, never condemn the death of Pakistan civilians and soldiers, but issuing statements like US will be attacked from Pakistan and Tlibans are being trained by Pakistan army and similar bullshit.
Provoke dissent among tribes and people of north by cutting their gas and electricity.
In exchange his criminal record has been wiped off and his Swiss bank accounts had been defrosted.
In few months he had become Pakistan's most rich person and God knows what else had been promised to him if he deliver on anti-Pakistan plans.

if Pakistan has to start with any sort of war than Zardari must be arrested and forced to bring his children to Pakistan along side his known wealth.

 

[BATMAN]

This is a continuation of some very blunt and direct exchanges in the oval office and with recent CIA and ISI interactions regarding serious allegations of intelligence leaks.

If 'moles' in the ISI have leaked any form of intelligence to the Taliban and Al-Quedia in the very recent past and have thus in anyway prevented the successful termination of high priority missions placing Pakistani and International Security at risk; should such persons be hidden away behind a curtain of secrecy as an asset, or should the simply be executed on the spot.

Even the hint of allegation of intelligence leaks between agencies will be taken deadly seriously. When they lean on the chiefs in public, someone somewhere will pay. Mark it.

Should your idea apply on Pakistan side or also on your part of land?
You can't just ride on billion mouth propaganda but no facts to discuss.
Where as if we analyze circumstances they tell a different story.
As far I know Army works under Chief incl. ISI and Army chief is appointed by head of state of course he has to have convincing explanation for his extreme actions.
What I wonder is that regular Pakarmy soldiers have all different experience of intelligence sharing with forces operating in Afghanistan.
You cannot avoid the fact that Afghanistan has failed to provide convincing answers to the presence of thousands of indian troops in Afghanistan, who as matter of fact have history of attempting to cross Pakistan borders in darks of night.

 

[was]

this gaddar of zardari have to be replaced first.he is always repeating.my wife my wife

 

[Pk_Thunder]

"It is my decision that we will go after them (Taliban insurgents), we will free this country," he told Roger Cohen in an interview. "Yes, this is my first priority because I will have no country otherwise. I will be president of what?"


Ah mr 10% how pain u feel for pakistan!!!his acts seems like a dictator as he didnt take parliament into confidence before leaving for US.Another civilian dictator like his father in law.he is creating uneasiness in the army which is a bad gesture for the country.

 

[DarkStar]

Whatever Zulifqar Ali Bhutto was, he was nothing like the present Pakistan leadership. He was not a saint by any means but he was inspiring. Which other leader of the Islamic World has ever brought together such a coalition of countries as he did in the 70's and managed to stop the oil flow to the west. Whatever he was, he was no walkover and would have been the ideal person to be at the helm of affairs at this time. Courage is what we need in adversity. And courage seems a scarce commodity.

p.s. Am no Fan of PPP or Bhutto, but appreciate good where good is found.

 

[Sonaris]

Many high level changes have been made today in which 7 Major generals were promoted to the rank of Lieutenant General.

The director General of ISI has been changed due to AMERICAN PRESSURE . Lieutenant General Ahmed Shuja Pasha has replaced Lieutenant General Nadeem Taj

This is now a reality as Lt. Gen. Nadeem Taj has been posted as a Corps Commander XXX Corps.

A fresh impetus was certainly needed to extricate ISI from the recent spate of 'bad' press being meted out.

I would like to wish both Generals all the success in their new appointments.

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

ISI is an institution which works day and night for the strategik goals of Pakistan.
Any one just tell me .
A secure and powerful US and Nato forces in Afghanistan can in any way point to a Totall Security of Pakistan ?

Consider A scenario that if millitants in Pakistan And Afghanistan are totally defeated and eradicated and All Westeren Forces the have established their strong hold in Afghanistan. Will this situation be good for us ?

Strong Westeren Forces in Afghanistan >>> Strong Indian influence in the reagion >>>>> Weaker Pakistan .

I wonder why the US cant make strategik Nuclear deals with its Front Line Ally in The War aginst Terorr . IF you pick Up the record form histor , Surely Pakistan has done More For American cause than India , then why didnt we get the deal ? ...Surprising

 

[metalfalcon]

ISI is an institution which works day and night for the strategik goals of Pakistan.
Any one just tell me .
A secure and powerful US and Nato forces in Afghanistan can in any way point to a Totall Security of Pakistan ?

Consider A scenario that if millitants in Pakistan And Afghanistan are totally defeated and eradicated and All Westeren Forces the have established their strong hold in Afghanistan. Will this situation be good for us ?

Strong Westeren Forces in Afghanistan >>> Strong Indian influence in the reagion >>>>> Weaker Pakistan .

I wonder why the US cant make strategik Nuclear deals with its Front Line Ally in The War aginst Terorr . IF you pick Up the record form histor , Surely Pakistan has done More For American cause than India , then why didnt we get the deal ? ...Surprising

Simple Answer because we are muslims

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I think we need to calm down.

The PM is well within his rights to appoint a DG ISI of his choice. The man replacing him by all means seems an extremely competent and respected individual, and in no way does this compromise Pakistan's national security interests. I still do not see why Gen. Taj would be a controversial figure, but again, he may not be, and the change is to show that 'something is being done'.

Could this have been done either at the behest of the US or to placate it? Entirely possible, but if it does address US concerns while not compromising our own interests, then there does not seem much wrong here.

Major reshuffle in Pakistan Army, DG ISI changed​

By Iftikhar A. Khan
Tuesday, 30 Sep, 2008 | 12:56 AM PST |

ISLAMABAD: In a major reshuffle in the army’s top command, the chief of army staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani on Monday brought in a new head of the all-powerful Inter-services Intelligence (ISI), changed four of the nine corps commanders, and appointed a new chief of general staff, besides giving key postings to a few others.

The shake-up is the most wide-ranging since General Kayani took over as the COAS and perhaps even more significant since former military ruler General Pervez Musharraf stepped down as the country’s controversial president.

The move came within hours of the promotion of seven major generals to the rank of three-star lieutenant generals, with a number of them becoming the direct beneficiaries of the reshuffle.

Perhaps the most surprising of all such changes has been the appointed of Lt. General Ahmed Shujja Pasha as the new director general of ISI. He has replaced Lt. General Nadeem Taj, who has been appointed commander of 30 Corps in Gujranwala.

A highly professional soldier in his own right, Lt. General Pasha has, for the last two years, been overseeing the ongoing security operation in the tribal areas and parts of NWFP.

In his capacity as the director general military operations (DGMO) he had been directly responsible for the launching and execution of all the major security strikes in FATA and Swat, the latest being the major onslaught against religious extremists in the Bajaur tribal agency.

But he is not the only beneficiary of Monday’s promotions and reshuffle carried out by General Kayani who, many believe, has put in place a new team to implement his vision for reviving the prestige of the armed forces and for enhancing the security of the state.

Some of the other significant appointees are former SSG commander Lt. General Tahir Mahmood, who has been given the most crucial 10 Corps in Rawalpind; Lt. General Shahid Iqbal, who has been made commander of the 5 corps in Karachi; and Lt. General Mohammad Yusuf, who has been given 31 corps in Bhawalpur.

Lt. General Mustafa has been appointed as the Chief of General Staff, who will replace the incumbent Lt. General Salahuddin Satti.

According to an announcement by the ISPR, the Corps Commanders of Rawalpindi, Karachi, Bahawalpur and Gujranwala have been changed.

The reshuffle in the Pakistan Army is being seen by observers as highly significant in the backdrop of stepped up US incursions inside Pakistan’s territory and an unusual statement by the Army Chief declaring that violation of the country’s sovereignty would not be allowed at any cost.

Some observers have pointed out that the ISI Chief has been changed for the first time after the abortive attempt through a controversial notification to place the intelligence agency under the administrative, financial and operational control of the Interior Ministry.

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Reshuffle in Pakistan Army DG ISI changed

 

[DarkStar]

I think Gen kyani has made some very astute decisions in bringing in some highly competent people to the fore. I suspect he has wanted to make these decisions for some time, and has been deliberating upon it. The American "pressure" seems to be a perfect excuse for him to bring this reshuffle now. I don't think this reshuffle will in anyway effect the operational capacity or directions of the ISI, but it wouldn't hurt for the Americans to believe so.