New Iranian MASAF rifle

[Draco.IMF]

I read that the new AK rifle costs the russian army under ~ 200 $ per unit. (I think it was 140 $)
The optics are expensive, depending which one, range between $ ~ 100- 2000 or even 5000$ for night sight/thermal optic..

 

[Faravahar]

The cost of these optic etc will start to go down as you start to mass produce them more and more.

These rifles will NOT go into mass production until they have passed extensive tests.

Also I see people confused again. The fateh rifles etc were IRGC products. This exhibition is not for the IRGC.

 

[Fafnir]

The cost of these optic etc will start to go down as you start to mass produce them more and more.

These rifles will NOT go into mass production until they have passed extensive tests.

Also I see people confused again. The fateh rifles etc were IRGC products. This exhibition is not for the IRGC.

And that sadly is the whole problem,iran in effect has two militaries and as is often the case we see much wasted duplication of effort,iran should be trying to reduce the numbers/types of different rifles in service and to get both militaries to standardize on one new common design and yet here we can see that the exact opposite is happening.

 

[Oldman1]

Actually it's closer to HK416 rifle since it uses short-stroke gas piston instead of direct impingement system. I think this would be the most suitable choice to become the standard rife of Iranian armed forces, replacing G-3 and Ak-47s.

PS: 7.62 mm version is also under development.

So an HK417?

 

[Serpentine]

So an HK417?

Yes obviously, 7.62 mm version would be very close to HK417.

 

[Stryker1982]

we producing G3 for almost 40 years , we have thousand of G3 .... we should start a project for modification and optimizing current G3 ... at least we can lighten it weight with new lighter material ( like Aluminum or composite cascade and handle and etc ... )

arming 600,000 army with 2000 - 3000 $ new rifle is costly ...

How else Is Iran going to improve its army when it's soldiers are using G3's. You have the spend the money to get the quality and to display the country as a modern military force. Don't get me wrong, Iran has plenty of great technology but its ground forces are not where they need to be by western standards.

 

[AmirPatriot]

The Fire Arm Blog have recently put an article about this rifle. They are generally relatively unbiased and are quite technical so this is useful IMO. Cool thing is, they even used PDF as a source

Iran Introduces (Yet Another) New Assault Rifle, the “MASAF” –HK416 Clone?

It seems the Iranian small arms industry is experiencing a bit of a boom – just released last week is another new rifle, called the MASAF, following the Fateh, Nabi, and two other unnamed rifles. The MASAF is obviously based on the AR-15, with a short-stroke operating rod in lieu of a direct impingement gas tube. This and other features suggest the new rifle is based on the Heckler & Koch HK416, although whether the MASAF is a true clone, and whether it is legitimate, remain unknown.

The MASAF is discussed, with additional pictures, in this Pakistan Defence forum thread, and I recommend my readers check that out. Some of the photos are embedded below:

Visible through the handguards is the MASAF’s short-stroke gas piston, identifiable through its wraparound return spring. Although it’s not certain how the MASAF may be related to the HK416, what is visible of the operating rod here is consistent with the H&K rifle. Image source: defence.pk

The raised 1913 optics rail and scallop at the rear are both suggestive of the HK416. Image source: defence.pk

The grooved barrel nut visible in the left of this image is also a very HK-like feature. Image source: defence.pk

We do not yet know whether Iran is building these weapons under license, or whether this is an illicit clone – or even a clone at all.

More on this subject (in Farsi) is available in a thread over at Military.Ir forums.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...-another-new-assault-rifle-masaf-hk416-clone/

 

[Fafnir]

The Fire Arm Blog have recently put an article about this rifle. They are generally relatively unbiased and are quite technical so this is useful IMO. Cool thing is, they even used PDF as a source

Sadly many of the comments are the usual ignorant biased sh!t one would expect from a bunch of us/pro western right wing gun "enthusiasts" but then it is that sort of site.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Sadly many of the comments are the usual ignorant biased sh!t one would expect from a bunch of us/pro western right wing gun "enthusiasts" but then it is that sort of site.

Well, you can't have everything I guess.

 

[OldTwilight]

How else Is Iran going to improve its army when it's soldiers are using G3's. You have the spend the money to get the quality and to display the country as a modern military force. Don't get me wrong, Iran has plenty of great technology but its ground forces are not where they need to be by western standards.

till we don't introduce "professional solder" in our ground force , nothing will change ... currently our commanders and generals see our solders ( our youth / our main resource / our future ) as expandable tools and they won't spend 2000-3000 $ for arming what they see as " canon fodders " ...

 

[Arminkh]

till we don't introduce "professional solder" in our ground force , nothing will change ... currently our commanders and generals see our solders ( our youth / our main resource / our future ) as expandable tools and they won't spend 2000-3000 $ for arming what they see as " canon fodders " ...

I think it has more to do with what we think a soldier should be capable of.

What needs to change is to think you need skilled soldiers to fight and believe in quality of training. For example, if we required any conscript to have 2 year of training instead of 3 months or whatever it is these days before he is ready for battle, then we would watch much more carefully not to lose him as it would take another two years of replacing them.

Until our mindset about the skills of our soldiers change, it doesn't really matter if they are professional or conscripts.

 

[AmirPatriot]

I think it has more to do with what we think a soldier should be capable of.

What needs to change is to think you need skilled soldiers to fight and believe in quality of training. For example, if we required any conscript to have 2 year of training instead of 3 months or whatever it is these days before he is ready for battle, then we would watch much more carefully not to lose him as it would take another two years of replacing them.

Until our mindset about the skills of our soldiers change, it doesn't really matter if they are professional or conscripts.

I agree. To have 2 years conscription but just 3 months training is just a joke.

I understand why they do it. It's so that some people who aren't built for the military to be able to keep up, also to minimise costs. butBut 3 months is taking it too far, should be at least 6 months if not a year.

 

[OldTwilight]

I think it has more to do with what we think a soldier should be capable of.

What needs to change is to think you need skilled soldiers to fight and believe in quality of training. For example, if we required any conscript to have 2 year of training instead of 3 months or whatever it is these days before he is ready for battle, then we would watch much more carefully not to lose him as it would take another two years of replacing them.

Until our mindset about the skills of our soldiers change, it doesn't really matter if they are professional or conscripts.

45 days with only 40-60 bullets ( new recruits just run for first 30-40 days ) .... These days military training is becoming a joke in our arm force ... they are just want to make them "Shahid" ...

I agree. To have 2 years conscription but just 3 months training is just a joke.

I understand why they do it. It's so that some people who aren't built for the military to be able to keep up, also to minimise costs. butBut 3 months is taking it too far, should be at least 6 months if not a year.

Saberin force who are official IRIGC member just have 6 month training and you except Upper Mighty Officials who own anything spend money to train a ordinary solders for 6 months !?

 

[AmirPatriot]

45 days with only 40-60 bullets ( new recruits just run for first 30-40 days ) .... These days military training is becoming a joke in our arm force ... they are just want to make them "Shahid" ...



Saberin force who are official IRIGC member just have 6 month training and you except Upper Mighty Officials who own anything spend money to train a ordinary solders for 6 months !?

It may be that the 6 months is additional training to the 3 month basic training.

Besides, I would like to see your source for the saberin figure.

 

[f1000n]

Maybe you gotto abolish conscription