New Delhi police fire water cannon at India rape protest

[iam not greek]

Why can't we have Islamic laws for criminals?? I hate to say this but Indian laws suck big time.

RIP the poor girl

 

[KRAIT]

even for drug smugglers and murderers-
A rape case is treated as murder- because the women soul dies the same day she was raped-
Capital beheading 21st century justice-

Agreed. I always say,

A murder kills a body, a rape kills a soul.

 

[Enemy]

Hope the Endian govt does not make excuse that one of the 6 rapists is so called minor and so he cannot be sent to the gallows. I loved one protester asking all other citizens of Endia to boycott the Republic Day as there is nothing Republican left at all.

 

[Bang Galore]

Hope the Endian govt does not make excuse that one of the 6 rapists is so called minor and so he cannot be sent to the gallows.

He can't & he won't be sent to the gallows.

 

[Koovie]

 

[Enemy]

Female citizens of Endia demand safety and security and equality. They don't want to be worshiped by pervert beasts.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

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[JanjaWeed]

Shaky Response of India’s Government in Fatal Rape Case Magnifies Outrage

¶ NEW DELHI — India often seems to careen from crisis to crisis, with protests regularly spilling onto the streets over the latest outrage or scandal, a nation seemingly always on the boil. But when things settle, as they inevitably do, little seems to change. Public anger usually cools to a simmer.

¶ Now, though, the heat has turned up again, as the death early on Saturday of a young woman savagely assaulted and raped here in the national capital has mushroomed into a new and volatile moment of crisis that has touched a deep chord of discontent. Protests that began more than a week ago as anguished cries against sexual violence in Indian society have broadened into angry condemnations of a government whose response has seemed tone deaf and, at times, incompetent.

¶ On Saturday, hours after the rape victim died at a hospital in Singapore, several thousand people gathered at Jantar Mantar, the designated protest spot in the center of the capital, to express their anguish and rage. The latest demonstrations followed a week that saw the authorities clash with protesters and cordon off the political center of the city with a huge display of force.

¶ “What the government is doing is politically stupid,” said Jayati Ghosh, a professor of economics at Jawaharlal Nehru University, speaking during a protest last week. “This will cause public disaffection, because people are seeing the government as inflexible and intolerant. If the government listened, they would find that people are trying to find solutions.

¶ “The problem,” she added, “is the government is not even listening.”

¶ For much of last week, as some protesters complained that the Indian state was more interested in protecting itself than its citizens, especially women, the symbolism has been stark: the authorities invoked emergency policing laws, closing off the governmental center of the capital, blockading roads and even shutting down subway stations — a democratic government temporarily encircling itself with a moat. At one point, fire hoses were turned on college students.

¶ Those restrictions were eased by Dec. 25, even as New Delhi remained consumed by an anxious vigil as the young woman remained in critical condition. Doctors gave daily, televised updates on her condition until Wednesday evening, when the authorities unexpectedly flew her by special airplane to a hospital in Singapore, where her condition deteriorated before she died of organ failure.

¶ It is the graphic horror of the attack that set off the outrage: the victim was a 23-year-old woman, her identity still withheld, whose evening at the movies with a male friend on Dec. 16 turned nightmarish. The police say a group of drunken men waved the pair onto a private bus, promising a ride home, but instead assaulted them with an iron rod and raped the woman as the bus moved through the city.

¶ College students, mostly women, led the early protests. Sexual violence has become a national scandal in India, amid regular reports of gang rapes and other assaults against infants, teenagers and other women. But women also spoke of a more pervasive form of harassment: of being groped in public; of fearing to ride buses or subways alone; of victims, not attackers, being shamed and blamed.

¶ “Rape happens everywhere,” Urvashi Butalia, a feminist writer, wrote in The Hindu, a national English-language newspaper. “It happens inside homes, in families, in neighborhoods, in police stations, in towns and cities, in villages, and its incidence increases, as is happening in India, as society goes through change, as women’s roles begin to change, as economies slow down and the slice of the pie becomes smaller.”

¶ Analysts say that India’s coalition national government, led by the Indian National Congress Party, had an early opportunity to defuse the anger by embracing the protests and providing comfort and reassurance. Yet that moment, analysts agree, was missed, as top leaders misjudged how quickly public anger would escalate, especially among the young. It was a generational divide between young urbanites, often communicating by social media, and a government unable to find a way to win public trust.

¶ Reassurances offered by Sonia Gandhi, president of the Congress Party, came off as unconvincing. Her son Rahul Gandhi, the party’s heir apparent, has barely been visible.

¶ Prime Minister Manmohan Singh first attempted to calm the situation last Monday with a taped national address, but his speech was overshadowed by a stray remark. At the end of the taping, Mr. Singh, speaking in Hindi, asked “Theek hai?” meaning “Is it all right?”

¶ It was most likely an innocuous comment to the cameraman that ordinarily would have been edited out. But it quickly went viral and became a bitter rallying cry on social media. That was followed by a sexist comment about female protesters by a member of Parliament, who also happened to be the son of India’s president.

¶ When the protests grew angrier and more violent, especially as men joined the ranks, many reportedly allied with rival political parties, the police responded with fire hoses, tear gas and nightsticks. Then the authorities invoked the emergency policing law, known as Section 144, to lock down the area around the presidential palace, Parliament and the main government offices.

¶ But if the government’s heavy-handed response met with broad criticism, the hard line taken by some protesters also raised concerns. Frustrated, many protesters called for the death penalty against convicted rapists, alarming many people in a country where executions are extremely rare.

¶ Then a police constable died of a heart attack during the protests. The authorities say he had a seizure after being attacked by protesters — a claim denied by some witnesses.

¶ “Collectively, we seem to have unthinkingly bought into a narrative of empowered indignation in which ‘anger’ against ‘authority’ is deemed to be just and justifiable and any means to vent that ‘anger’ is rationalized as socially acceptable and politically correct,” Harish Khare, a former spokesman for the prime minister, wrote in The Hindu.

¶ The constable’s death seemed to shift the tenor of the public mood, and Mr. Singh made another speech calling for calm and promising action. “The emergence of women in public spaces, which is an absolutely essential part of social emancipation, is accompanied by growing threats to their safety and security,” he said. “We must reflect on this problem, which occurs in all states and regions of our country, and which requires greater attention.”

¶ On Saturday morning, many of the people gathered at Jantar Mantar, shouting “We want justice,” were determined that the protests should remain peaceful. Neha Sharma, 24, a student at Delhi University, said capital punishment was not the solution but that reforms were needed in the criminal justice system. “We need to fix the system,” she said. “Neither the government nor the police are taking any steps.”

¶ Protesters have repeatedly called for reforms, citing the frequent insensitivity of the police and the courts toward women and the skewed priorities of a government that devotes thousands of officers to protecting politicians and other so-called V.V.I.P.’s, even as departments too often fail to protect ordinary citizens. “I’m now beginning to feel that my government is not capable of understanding the situation, let alone solving it,” said Abhijit Sarkar, 28, a social activist who participated in a candlelight vigil last week. “During the candlelight vigil, policemen were actually laughing at us.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/30/w...-in-rape-case-stokes-rage.html?ref=world&_r=0

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

10 reasons why India has a sexual violence problem​

The case of a 23-year-old medical student who died Saturday after a brutal gang rape on a bus in New Delhi has seemed to snap India to attention about its endemic sexual violence problem. Hundreds of Indians poured into the streets of New Delhi to mourn the young woman, and police announced that the six men arrested in connection with the attack had been charged with murder.

In recent years, New Delhi has earned the title of “rape capital” of India, with more than 560 cases of rape reported in the city, but violence against Indian women is widespread and has deep roots. Here’s a look at some of the reasons behind the issue that’s bringing Indians into the streets:

The case of a 23-year-old medical student who died Saturday after a brutal gang rape on a bus in New Delhi has seemed to snap India to attention about its endemic sexual violence problem. Hundreds of Indians poured into the streets of New Delhi to mourn the young woman, and police announced that the six men arrested in connection with the attack had been charged with murder.

In recent years, New Delhi has earned the title of “rape capital” of India, with more than 560 cases of rape reported in the city, but violence against Indian women is widespread and has deep roots. Here’s a look at some of the reasons behind the issue that’s bringing Indians into the streets:


View Photo Gallery —The brutal assault of a 23-year-old student who was riding a bus in New Delhi brought a wave of protests. She died early Saturday.

1. Few female police: Studies show that women are more likely to report sex crimes if female police officers are available. India has historically had a much lower percentage of female police officers than other Asian countries. In New Delhi, just 7 percent of police officers are women, and they are frequently given inconsequential posts that don’t involve patrol duty, according to the Times of India. Of the 161 district police stations in Delhi, only one has a female station house officer.

When women do report rape charges to male police, they are frequently demeaned:

“The police refused to file a complaint. Instead, they asked my sister such vulgar details, it was as if she was being raped all over again,” Charanjit Kaur, the sister of another recent rape victim who committed suicide, told The Washington Post. “There was no lady police officer, they were all men. My sister cried in front of them and kept asking, ‘Would you still ask such questions if I were your daughter?’

As a result of the gang-rape incident, Delhi Police said they will launch a special effort to recruit more women.

2. Not enough police in general: There aren’t enough police dedicated to protecting ordinary citizens, rather than elites, a Brookings article argues, and the officers that are available often lack basic evidence-gathering and investigative training and equipment:

Delhi, for example, is home to one of the largest metropolitan police forces in the world with some 84,000 officers. But only one-third are involved in any kind of actual “policing” at any given time, while the rest provide protection services to various politicians, senior bureaucrats, diplomats and other elites. According to the Times of India there is one officer for every 200 citizens and about 20 officers for every VIP. Many of those who do perform police duties can be found shaking down motorists, participating in protection rackets and simply looking the other way as crimes take place.

3. Blaming provocative clothing: There’s a tendency to assume the victims of sexual violence somehow brought it on themselves. In a 1996 survey of judges in India, 68 percent of the respondents said that provocative clothing is an invitation to rape. In response to the recent gang-rape incident, a legislator in Rajasthan suggested banning skirts as a uniform for girls in private schools, citing it as the reason for increased cases of sexual harassment.

4. Acceptance of domestic violence: The Reuters TrustLaw group named India one of the worst countries in the world for women this year, in part because domestic violence there is often seen as deserved. A 2012 report by UNICEF found that 57 percent of Indian boys and 53 percent of girls between the ages of 15 and 19 think wife-beating is justified. A recent national family-health survey also reported that a sizable percentage of women blame themselves for beatings by their husbands.

“When a boy grows up seeing his father assault his mother, he starts to accept such a behavior and repeats it,” Anuradha Gupta, mission director for India’s National Rural Health Mission, was quoted as saying.

5. A lack of public safety: Women generally aren’t protected outside their homes. The gang rape occurred on a bus, and even Indian authorities say that the country’s public places can be unsafe for women. Many streets are poorly lit, and there’s a lack of women’s toilets, a Women and Child Development Ministry report said recently.

Women who drink, smoke or go to pubs are widely seen in Indian socirty as morally loose, and village clan councils have blamed a rise in women talking on cellphones and going to the bazaar for an increase in the incidence of rape.

6. Stigmatizing the victim: When verbal harassment or groping do occur in public areas, bystanders frequently look the other way rather than intervene, both to avoid a conflict and because they — on some level — blame the victim, observers say. Male politicians contribute to the problem, making statements that make light of rape or vilify rape victims’ supporters.

One regional policymaker, Anisur Rahman, recently asked a female minister what “her fee” would be for getting raped. The son of India’s president also recently apologized after calling those protesting against the Delhi gang rape “highly dented and painted” women, who go “from discos to demonstrations,” the AP reported.

7. Encouraging rape victims to compromise: In a recent separate rape case, a 17-year-old Indian girl who was allegedly gang-raped killed herself after police pressured her to drop the case and marry one of her attackers.

Rape victims are often encouraged by village elders and clan councils to “compromise” with the family of accused and drop charges — or even to marry the attacker. Such compromises are aimed at keeping the peace between families or clan groups. What’s more, a girl’s eventual prospects of marriage are thought to be more important than bringing a rapist to justice.

8. A sluggish court system: India’s court system is painfully slow, in part because of a shortage of judges. The country has about 15 judges for every 1 million people, while China has 159. A Delhi high court judge once estimated it would take 466 years to get through the backlog in the capital alone.

9. Few convictions: For rapes that do get reported, India’s conviction rate is no more than 26 percent. There is also no law on the books covering routine daily sexual harassment, which is euphemistically called “eve-teasing.” The passing of a proposed new sexual assault law has been delayed for seven years.

10. Low status of women: Perhaps the biggest issue, though, is women’s overall lower status in Indian society. For poor families, the need to pay a marriage dowry can make daughters a burden. India has one of the lowest female-to-male population ratios in the world because of sex-selective abortion and female infanticide. Throughout their lives, sons are fed better than their sisters, are more likely to be sent to school and have brighter career prospects.

In recent days, Indian politicians have put forward a slew of potential remedies for India’s sexual violence problem. But it’s worth noting that it will be hard to end discrimination against women at police stations when it starts in the crib.

Lakshmi reported from New Delhi.

10 reasons why India has a sexual violence problem

 

[Sedqal]

I still don't know what protesters aim to achieve. Rape will be present in every society, death sentence for rape will be becomes a huge problem when you add in factors like age of consent or consensual sex (considering that drinking is allowed). If the rape victim dies then the charges will automatically be of murder so the so called 'extremely violent rape' already goes that way in the present system.

One problem as I see it is that a modern woman (working, independent, non traditional clothes) is considered to be a slut in both Indian and Pakistani cultures (no matter how much they deny it), as modern woman primarily rises from more affluent social class there is some of that class factor too. That is why you keep on hearing moronic comments about how 'she' deserved it or is 'lying' or in worst cases 'enjoyed it'. From a class perspective you hear things in tune of how rich man are really fags and their women are out hunting for a real man. Don't forget that in the Delhi case the 6 guardians of morality first harrased the woman for being with a man then raped her.

During college days and University I saw a lot of that BS. Boys mostly discussed how much fun the boyfriend' must be having and what specific services e.g. BJ the GF must be providing. I'm not talking here about some village idiots but urban and suave guys. The common thought about a young widow was 'tarsi hui hai' no wonder some fker will jump her thinking that she is begging for it.

Look at the mirror ya morons (and Pakistanis too, like I said the thought pattern is the same).

[enough ranting ]

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

During college days and University I saw a lot of that BS. Boys mostly discussed how much fun the boyfriend' must be having and what specific services e.g. BJ the GF must be providing. I'm not talking here about some village idiots but urban and suave guys. The common thought about a young widow was 'tarsi hui hai' no wonder some fker will jump her thinking that she is begging for it.

Look at the mirror ya morons (and Pakistanis too, like I said the thought pattern is the same).

[enough ranting ]

have you ever hung out with girls and heard what specific services they gossiped about what their boyfriends were giving them, ie. eating the cream pie?

this gangrape case is an entirely different situation. these indians have a HUGE infeority complex problem. They have VERY sick demented mindset. They try to exert their so called "masculanity" on women. this poor girl was sodmoized with a pole. It was shoved up her reaching her stomach and intestines.

this happens on a regular basis in india. nothing of this magnitude happens in Pakistan. thank God for partition.

 

[kurup]

have you ever hung out with girls and heard what specific services they gossiped about what their boyfriends were giving them, ie. eating the cream pie?

this gangrape case is an entirely different situation. these indians have a HUGE infeority complex problem. They have VERY sick demented mindset. They try to exert their so called "masculanity" on women. this poor girl was sodmoized with a pole. It was shoved up her reaching her stomach and intestines.

this happens on a regular basis in india. nothing of this magnitude happens in Pakistan. thank God for partition.

Looks like pakistanis also suffer from this HUGE infeority complex problem and look what is happening in pakistan .

So you can troll somewhere else .

Political worker accused of raping Hindu girl – The Express Tribune

Five peasant girls gang-raped for

Christian girl, 12, kidnapped, raped and beaten until she converted to Islam | Mail Online

Rape, mutilation: Pakistan's tribal justice for women | Reuters

pakistani hindu girls rape conversion - YouTube

Just because unlike Indians who have the balls to protest and face police dandas and water cannons for safety of women , Pakistanis choose to look the other way does not mean these things are not happening in Pakistan.

Pakistan is as bad if not worse for women.

Oh and BTW,

Pakistan 3rd, India 4th most dangerous place for women | Pakistan Today | Latest news | Breaking news | Pakistan News | World news | Business | Sport and Multimedia

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

^Then why has the United States put out a travel warning for women traveling to india warning them of rape? Only country in the world that has a rape warning and it is india.

PATHETIC.

U.S. citizens, particularly women, are cautioned not to travel alone in India. Western women continue to report incidents of verbal and physical harassment by groups of men. Known locally as “Eve-teasing,” these incidents constitute sexual harassment and can be quite frightening. Eve-teasing can occur anytime or anywhere, but most frequently has happened in crowded areas such as in market places, train stations, buses, and public streets. The harassment can range from sexually suggestive or lewd comments to catcalls to outright groping. Southern India is very distinct from the other major cities and has a strong reputation for being very traditional. If you are a woman traveling in India, you are advised to respect local dress and customs. While India is generally safe for foreign visitors, according to the latest figures by Indian authorities, rape is the fastest growing crime in India. Among large cities, Delhi experienced the highest number of crimes against women. Although most victims have been local residents, recent sexual attacks against female visitors in tourist areas underline the fact that foreign women are at risk and should exercise vigilance.

Women should observe stringent security precautions, including avoiding use of public transport after dark without the company of known and trustworthy companions, restricting evening entertainment to well-known venues, and avoiding isolated areas when alone at any time of day. If you are a woman traveling in India, you are advised to respect conservative local dress and customs. Keep your hotel room number confidential and make sure hotel room doors have chains, deadlocks, and spy-holes. In addition, only hire reliable cars and drivers and avoid traveling alone in hired taxis, especially at night. Use taxis from hotels and pre-paid taxis at airports rather than hailing them on the street. If you encounter threatening situations, call “100” for police assistance(“112” from mobile phones).

India

 

[Sashan]

^Then why has the United States put out a travel warning for women traveling to india warning them of rape? Only country in the world that has a rape warning and it is india.

PATHETIC.



India

What you have posted are the details about different country and caution to be adopted when one is there in a country but does not advice against travelling to a particular country.


But below is the special travel advisory if there is a turmoil or something in different countries. Do you see India there? I suggest you go through the list properly.


Current Travel Warnings


Travel Warnings are issued when long-term, protracted conditions that make a country dangerous or unstable lead the State Department to recommend that Americans avoid or consider the risk of travel to that country. A Travel Warning is also issued when the U.S. Government's ability to assist American citizens is constrained due to the closure of an embassy or consulate or because of a drawdown of its staff. The countries listed below meet those criteria.


Haiti 12/28/2012
Central African Republic 12/28/2012
Somalia 12/26/2012
Nigeria 12/21/2012
Israel, the West Bank and Gaza 12/20/2012
Iran 12/07/2012
Mauritania 11/30/2012
Eritrea 11/29/2012
Congo, Democratic Republic of the 11/21/2012
Chad 11/21/2012
Honduras 11/21/2012
Mexico 11/20/2012
Yemen 11/19/2012
Saudi Arabia 11/19/2012
Niger 11/16/2012
Cote d'Ivoire 11/16/2012
Burundi 11/08/2012
Tunisia 10/19/2012
Colombia 10/03/2012
Pakistan 09/19/2012
Lebanon 09/17/2012
Sudan 09/15/2012
Algeria 09/13/2012
Libya 09/12/2012
Korea, Democratic People's Republic of 09/11/2012
Republic of South Sudan 09/10/2012
Guinea 09/07/2012
Mali 08/29/2012
Syria 08/28/2012
Iraq 08/09/2012
Kenya 07/05/2012
Afghanistan 06/27/2012
Philippines 06/14/2012

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

pathetic rebuttal. india is known rape, the united states government has issued a travel warning to women traveling there.