Nepal seeks help from Bangladesh

[asad71]

That sari was presented by RAW asset Pranab Kaka.

 

[Nilgiri]

That sari was presented by RAW asset Pranab Kaka.

You don't know the names of the actual true RAW assets....and you never will.

 

[tsinga]

It is precisely this kind of attitude that breeds anti-india posture in BD. BAL will not always be in power... in a democracy no party stays in power stays ad infinitum.

If India wants good relationship from economic to strategic front with BD for the betterment of the all the population of the subcontinent it needs to abandon hedgemonistic attitude.

Sovereignty of BD is guaranteed by the dint of our huge population. Contrary to your views BD is not relient on India, comparison to nepal is inappropriate.

BD sovereignty is not a threat to India and vice versa. Indian political leadership need to develop neutral position vis a vis BD politics as two mature democracy.

BD and India are neighbours and this is not going to change and productive relationship requires measured approach. Political pendulum will swing in both countries but the two nations priority to cooperate should not.

Randomly calling people Jamati or viewing BD through narrow prism of short term goals serves no one.

The part where you says India should keep a neutral position vis-a-vis BD politics is not really feasible.

The GoI has found the party BNP and Jamaat together colluding with external countries(namely Pakistan) in attempting to destabilize India and foment terrorism in India. The Chittagong arms haul in itself opened this fact to even the ordinary Bangladeshis what GoI has known for a long time.
That apart from the BNP chief in a policy statement declared, “Bangladesh supports the independence movement of seven Indian states”.

Now if you are going to ask GoI to simply forget all these facts and actions of BNP and Jamaat against India you are being wishful.
Any and all means will be used to ensure that parties that threaten India's security do not succeed - and in the scenario - that means BNP and Jamaat. Saying the word sovereignty means nothing when one of the major political parties of Bangladesh actively acts against India. There will be an automatic and sustained response from GoI.

However if the BNP were to change and stop its anti-India agenda, GoI would also change. And all indications from BNP in the last couple of years(only) - public statements and private talks with GoI - are that they accept what they did in the past vis-a-vis India and would change. That they accept the new realities.

So that is good for BNP, Bangladesh and India.

That said, GoI will always be against Jamaat. They committed war crimes against Hindus, are actively in bed with the Pakistani Jamaat & Pakistani establishment(military), act as their proxy and continue on an anti-Hindu, anti-India agenda(yes both are separate).

On the other hand.
Under Awami League, Bangladesh has not only acted as good neighbours but also visionaries. They unilaterally started taking care of threats to Indian security on all fronts- they caught or killed all the terrorists that were given shelter in BD under BNP rule, they fully cooperate in catching FICN(Fake Indian Currency) racketeering, they are dismantling Pakistani networks in BD, clamping down on illegal arms, etc, etc.

In return and a little time, India also started responding with Bangladesh's concerns on multiple fronts...and frankly no one would have imagined India doing these things for anyone just a couple of years back.

1. Never would GoI have ever even dreamt of giving away 10,000 acres of land in a land boundary settlement. That it was passed in Parliament with zero opposition shows how much trust both parties of India have on Awami League
India has not given even an inch of land to any other country. Heck we amended the Constitution for Bangladesh.

2. India accepted the maritime verdict in sea territory in Bay of Bengal which gave Bangladesh 2/3rd of the disputed area and India only 1/3rd . I remind you, that accepting the verdict was a choice and there are precedents where large and powerful countries have not accepted maritme verdicts.

3. GoI stopped building a dam on a river because of Bangladeshi concerns. Whenever Pakistan comes up with the same objections on rivers that pass from India to Pakistan, India builds them doubly fast and generally gives them the middle finger.

4. Offered Bangladesh(Govt) stake in strategic projects in India's North East. All the rest of India's neighbours are debarred from entering any strategic sector in India. Bangladesh has also taken up the offer and joint projects are on the anvil

5. BD's terrorists that slip into India are actively hounded by India and shot or given back just like India's terrorists that slip in BD are hounded by BD are either shot or given back.


In the light of all these facts, it is apparent to GoI, that Awami League understands that India and BD have to live as neighbours for eternity and wants good relations and both countries to prosper. BNP and Jamaat want hostility with India.

I assure you that GoI would have done none of these things for BD had BNP been in power.
It remains to be seen how much they(BNP) have changed and it will surely take time for GoI to trust the party. They have done their utmost best to damage India's security, something that no GoI(as they keep changing) will forget in a hurry.

 

[mb444]

The part where you says India should keep a neutral position vis-a-vis BD politics is not really feasible.

The GoI has found the party BNP and Jamaat together colluding with external countries(namely Pakistan) in attempting to destabilize India and foment terrorism in India. The Chittagong arms haul in itself opened this fact to even the ordinary Bangladeshis what GoI has known for a long time.
That apart from the BNP chief in a policy statement declared, “Bangladesh supports the independence movement of seven Indian states”.

Now if you are going to ask GoI to simply forget all these facts and actions of BNP and Jamaat against India you are being wishful.
Any and all means will be used to ensure that parties that threaten India's security do not succeed - and in the scenario - that means BNP and Jamaat. Saying the word sovereignty means nothing when one of the major political parties of Bangladesh actively acts against India. There will be an automatic and sustained response from GoI.

However if the BNP were to change and stop its anti-India agenda, GoI would also change. And all indications from BNP in the last couple of years(only) - public statements and private talks with GoI - are that they accept what they did in the past vis-a-vis India and would change. That they accept the new realities.

So that is good for BNP, Bangladesh and India.

That said, GoI will always be against Jamaat. They committed war crimes against Hindus, are actively in bed with the Pakistani Jamaat & Pakistani establishment(military), act as their proxy and continue on an anti-Hindu, anti-India agenda(yes both are separate).

On the other hand.
Under Awami League, Bangladesh has not only acted as good neighbours but also visionaries. They unilaterally started taking care of threats to Indian security on all fronts- they caught all the terrorists that were given shelter in BD under BNP rule. They fully cooperate in catching FICN(Fake Indian Currency) racketeering.

In return and a little time, India also started responding with Bangladesh's concerns on multiple fronts
1. Never would GoI have ever even dreamt of giving away 10,000 acres of land in a land boundary settlement. That it was passed in Parliament with zero opposition shows how much trust both parties of India have on Awami League
India has not given even an inch of land to any other country. Heck we amended the Constitution for Bangladesh.

2. India accepted the maritime verdict in sea territory in Bay of Bengal which gave Bangladesh 2/3rd of the disputed area and India only 1/3rd . I remind you, that accepting the verdict was a choice and there are precedents where large and powerful countries have not accepted maritme verdicts.

3. GoI stopped building a dam on a river because of Bangladeshi concerns. Whenever Pakistan comes up with the same objections on rivers that pass from India to Pakistan, India builds them doubly fast and generally gives them the middle finger.

4. Offered Bangladesh(Govt) stake in strategic projects in India's North East. All the rest of India's neighbours are debarred from entering any strategic sector in India. Bangladesh has also taken up the offer and joint projects are on the anvil

5. BD's terrorists that slip into India are actively hounded by India and shot or given back just like India's terrorists that slip in BD are hounded by BD are either shot or given back.


In the light of all these facts, it is apparent to GoI, that Awami League understands that India and BD have to live as neighbours for eternity and wants good relations and both countries to prosper. BNP and Jamaat want hostility with India.

I assure you that none of these things would have been done for BD had BNP been in power.
It remains to be seen how much they(BNP) have changed and it will surely take time for GoI to trust the party.

If GOI invests all its eggs in one basket the return would simply be failure. BNP/Jamaat govt identified and stopped the Chittagong arms haul, BAL had no part to play.

BAL is using you to create a one party state in BD. This may serve both your interest in the short term but it is clearly unsustainable.

The change in your constitution was as per original agreement between GOB-GOI. You merely fulfilled your part of the agreement with some 40 years delay. BD as part of the same agreement gave up berubari and it did so in 1974.

Only possibilities of co-existence one where both countries prosper or both waste their time in futile hostility.

Whilst you wrote I am certain you do not actually believe that BD is in the process of seeking to break the Indian union. Your politicians particularly of the scummy hindutva variety keeps going on about seeking to return BD into your country.... No one sane in this side of the border pays any credence to that.

In terms of fate of the Hindus, you should speak to some of them. Hindus are more at risk from BAL than anyone. It is entirely unfeasible for anyone to systematically disenfranchise Hindus in BD, they are part of the fabric of the nation. However as a group they have no voice other than BAL, an entirely unhealthy phenomenon. BAL uses Hindus as a strawman for all that is wrong with BNP when in opposition but when BAL is in power it the the Hindus who suffer as their block voting backfires. Their so called protectors becomes their tormentors without any recourse.

BD is a sovereign state of 170 million. India does not have the power to control it, no one does. As education and political consciousness improves in BD the dynastic politics will end. BAL is a one trick pony same as BNP, the two begums rule on the basis of family name not merit.

A consciousness polity can not accommodate one party politics as envisioned by BAL. Should India continue to patronise BAL it will stand in the wrong side of history and will be counter productive to your interest.

BD and India relationship should be above party politics. Both country understands each other's strategic interest, they won't always coincide but that is life. There is no particularly serious issues between us that requires this level of interference by India.

Pendulum always swings and its impact for all concerned would be serious should India unconditionally backs BAL in an attempt to create hedgemony. BAL is illegitimate and more and more people are viewing it that way. What is saving them is sustained economic growth via private and non-governmental sector. The moment there is an economic shock BAL will fall and they will fall in a fair election. Backing such a party and so wholly seems extremely shortsighted. If India wants a productive win win relationship with BD it should be business as usual whoever in power. Hedgemony over BD is not in your grasp but the friendship of BD people easily achievable and will return continuous dividend for the betterment of both nation.

 

[takeiteasy]

... its an internal issue for Nepal... where the Madehsis have blocked roads

Isn't this the truth? Nepal is part of the ummat, isn't it? How can Sangh see that nation going liberal? so, a unofficial boycott from Hindutva extremists?
Hinduwadi and Madheshi Unity is a must to restore Nepal as a Hindu State secured with Terai interest for a prosperous future.
Hindu-Madheshi joint movement against New Nepali Constitution can bring success for prosperous Nepal. | Struggle for Hindu Existence

 

[tsinga]

If GOI invests all its eggs in one basket the return would simply be failure. BNP/Jamaat govt identified and stopped the Chittagong arms haul, BAL had no part to play.

BAL is using you to create a one party state in BD. This may serve both your interest in the short term but it is clearly unsustainable.

The change in your constitution was as per original agreement between GOB-GOI. You merely fulfilled your part of the agreement with some 40 years delay. BD as part of the same agreement gave up berubari and it did so in 1974.

Only possibilities of co-existence one where both countries prosper or both waste their time in futile hostility.

Whilst you wrote I am certain you do not actually believe that BD is in the process of seeking to break the Indian union. Your politicians particularly of the scummy hindutva variety keeps going on about seeking to return BD into your country.... No one sane in this side of the border pays any credence to that.

In terms of fate of the Hindus, you should speak to some of them. Hindus are more at risk from BAL than anyone. It is entirely unfeasible for anyone to systematically disenfranchise Hindus in BD, they are part of the fabric of the nation. However as a group they have no voice other than BAL, an entirely unhealthy phenomenon. BAL uses Hindus as a strawman for all that is wrong with BNP when in opposition but when BAL is in power it the the Hindus who suffer as their block voting backfires. Their so called protectors becomes their tormentors without any recourse.

BD is a sovereign state of 170 million. India does not have the power to control it, no one does. As education and political consciousness improves in BD the dynastic politics will end. BAL is a one trick pony same as BNP, the two begums rule on the basis of family name not merit.

A consciousness polity can not accommodate one party politics as envisioned by BAL. Should India continue to patronise BAL it will stand in the wrong side of history and will be counter productive to your interest.

BD and India relationship should be above party politics. Both country understands each other's strategic interest, they won't always coincide but that is life. There is no particularly serious issues between us that requires this level of interference by India.

Pendulum always swings and its impact for all concerned would be serious should India unconditionally backs BAL in an attempt to create hedgemony. BAL is illegitimate and more and more people are viewing it that way. What is saving them is sustained economic growth via private and non-governmental sector. The moment there is an economic shock BAL will fall and they will fall in a fair election. Backing such a party and so wholly seems extremely shortsighted. If India wants a productive win win relationship with BD it should be business as usual whoever in power. Hedgemony over BD is not in your grasp but the friendship of BD people easily achievable and will return continuous dividend for the betterment of both nation.

Read this to know of BNP's past policies and actions towards India.
BNP's current policy towards India | The Daily Star

I don't know who makes you think that any leader of India(Hindutva or otherwise) seeks to make Bangladesh join India. The opposite is true..the biggest issue of the Hindutva regarding Bangladesh is to seek to return Bangladeshi illegals from India.

As far as people being tired of one party is concerned -
If the people of Bangladesh want that AL should be removed, other parties can be setup in Bangladesh to present an alternative to the people. This is no longer the 90's. India's global political power has grown exponentially.

Your assertion that BNP/Jamat stopped the arms smuggling is a blatant lie. The fact that the arms haul got caught was sheer luck. BNP and Jamaat were not just turning a blind eye towards this and many more such incidents but were active facilitators.

While you may feel that lying on an online forum will yield results or change minds. The fact of the matter is that Govt of India has its own sources and fairly detailed intel setup. The GoI is aware of the actions that BNP and Jamaat have taken to harm India in collusion with Pakistani military establishment.

What you are asking is for India to simply forget the actions that BNP/Jamaat have taken against India. That is not possible.

There will be reprisals against BNP and Jamaat for their actions. BNP has shown that it is willing to change as a result of these reprisals..however BNP will have to walk the talk and it will take time for India to trust that party. As far as Jamaat is concerned - well - actions speak louder than words.

And the bottom line remains - any party that seeks to harm India will be dealt with using absolutely any and all means available.

 

[Kaniska]

we will be happy and honored to help our Nepali friend in this crisis time . but problem is if Indian blocked continue then supplying anything will be expensive .

China is the only nation which can be helpful Nepal in place of India...Otherwise, it will be tough for even BD too.

We should also take same advice in Afghanistan-Pakistan relation as you have said about Nepal-India relations. Both Pakistan and India are bullying Afghanistan and Nepal respectively.

Spot on man...

 

[FULL_METAL]

Nepal seeks help from Bangladesh | The Daily Star

Yeah right, and also from Zimbabwe and Timbuktu which the article did not mention

Bangladesh is Political minefield for India, if India try to block Bangladesh, this will backfire heavily.

Do you even understand what you type? Bangladesh does not mean jack in Indian political arena, don't overestimate your worth

 

[mb444]

Read this to know of BNP's past policies and actions towards India.
BNP's current policy towards India | The Daily Star

I don't know who makes you think that any leader of India(Hindutva or otherwise) seeks to make Bangladesh join India. The opposite is true..the biggest issue of the Hindutva regarding Bangladesh is to seek to return Bangladeshi illegals from India.

As far as people being tired of one party is concerned -
If the people of Bangladesh want that AL should be removed, other parties can be setup in Bangladesh to present an alternative to the people. This is no longer the 90's. India's global political power has grown exponentially.

Your assertion that BNP/Jamat stopped the arms smuggling is a blatant lie. The fact that the arms haul got caught was sheer luck. BNP and Jamaat were not just turning a blind eye towards this and many more such incidents but were active facilitators.

While you may feel that lying on an online forum will yield results or change minds. The fact of the matter is that Govt of India has its own sources and fairly detailed intel setup. The GoI is aware of the actions that BNP and Jamaat have taken to harm India in collusion with Pakistani military establishment.

What you are asking is for India to simply forget the actions that BNP/Jamaat have taken against India. That is not possible.

There will be reprisals against BNP and Jamaat for their actions. BNP has shown that it is willing to change as a result of these reprisals..however BNP will have to walk the talk and it will take time for India to trust that party. As far as Jamaat is concerned - well - actions speak louder than words.

And the bottom line remains - any party that seeks to harm India will be dealt with using absolutely any and all means available.

BD is a sovereign state and so are its people. Do not be surprised when the inevitable backlash happens. There is nothing that India can do to reverse it. Don't believe the hype no nation can control another nation.

The arms haul was stopped by the BNP government. Nothing happens by chance. You really think if the government was complicit the security forces would have stopped it.... Hilarious..

 

[tsinga]

BD is a sovereign state and so are its people. Do not be surprised when the inevitable backlash happens. There is nothing that India can do to reverse it. Don't believe the hype no nation can control another nation.

The arms haul was stopped by the BNP government. Nothing happens by chance. You really think if the government was complicit the security forces would have stopped it.... Hilarious..

BD is indeed a sovereign state and so are its people. And as a people, they are accountable for what their Government does. It is a democracy. The people elected a Government that actively worked to jeopardize India's security and colluded with India's enemy.

If you think that India will allow a party to damage India's security and go scot free, you could not be more mistaken. Hiding behind flags of sovereignty of people will not change outcomes of this process that BNP & Jamaat set in motion. India has and will continue to act against the instigating party. This is a backlash by India against the BNP and Jamaat.

And it will continue till the BNP stops its nefarious ways. The BNP says it has now, but that remains to be seen.

For your second reading:
10-Truck Arms and Ammunition Haul in Chittagong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The list of those charged include the high and mighty in the BNP and Jamaat. Apart from that the weapons were meant to go to ULFA, a secessionist organization in India. It also ties in with BNP Chief's statement in 1999, that a policy statement that declared, “Bangladesh supports the independence movement of seven Indian states”.

As far the arms haul case is concerned...who do you think you are kidding? Do you think the GoI depends on such websites and entities like you to spin stories on the internet to find out culpability?

The ball is entirely in BNP's court now. BNP started this, GoI has retaliated. If BNP changes, so will India's behaviour towards that party. As has been demonstrated, GoI is willing to go the extra mile in the name of friendship with Bangladesh..examples given in my previous posts of the difference in our actions with BD vis-a-vis Pakistan on similar issues(like dams).
However assuming that India will forget and ignore if someone damage's India's security is naive and untenable.

 

[mb444]

Tsinga,

We are having a circular argument. I am perfectly fine to agree to disagree. Indias action and interference will also be judged by BD polity.

 

[Indika]

BD is indeed a sovereign state and so are its people. And as a people, they are accountable for what their Government does. It is a democracy. The people elected a Government that actively worked to jeopardize India's security and colluded with India's enemy.

Correct, India is not going to interfere in BD unless its security is threatened. AL is simply reaping the rewards of anit-India policy pursued by BNP.

If there was not support to terrorist elements like ULFA from BD then india would not bother about whats happening inside BD. Indian intentions are never to influence other regional countries but only to make sure they dont pose security threat ending in deaths of indians. Expecting india to sit quiet when anti-india elements are running riot in nepal or BD (supporting terrorists like ULFA) is ridiculous.

Sovereignty is not a license to support anti-india elements ,sooner they learn the better it is.

 

[tsinga]

Correct, India is not going to interfere in BD unless its security is threatened. AL is simply reaping the rewards of anit-India policy pursued by BNP.

If there was not support to terrorist elements like ULFA from BD then india would not bother about whats happening inside BD. Indian intentions are never to influence other regional countries but only to make sure they dont pose security threat ending in deaths of indians. Expecting india to sit quiet when anti-india elements are running riot in nepal or BD (supporting terrorists like ULFA) is ridiculous.

Sovereignty is not a license to support anti-india elements ,sooner they learn the better it is.

Indeed, and it cuts both ways.

As neighbours, just as BD is obligated to uphold India's security, India too is obligated to uphold BD's security.

For the past few years, this has been demonstrated by both India and BD. Both have been very active to take care of each other's security concerns, going the extra mile for each other. That really is the way to go for peace and prosperity in this part of the world.

 

[tsinga]

Tsinga,

We are having a circular argument. I am perfectly fine to agree to disagree. Indias action and interference will also be judged by BD polity.

My apologies in advance mb444, I found some links way too important to not to bring to your notice despite us having agreed to disagree.

Ex-ISI chief admits funding BNP polls '91
Musharraf met ULFA leader in Dhaka: Minister - INTERNATIONAL - The Hindu


This ties in with what I said. BNP and Jamaat have extensive links with Pakistan and used them to damage us.

 

[RanvirSena]

If Bangladesh helps Nepal than every Bangladeshi servant in Bihar will be beheaded.
Madhesh will be liberated by end of this decade.