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The view of Japan being a threat is PRC's own creation. But of course Japan is no angel. What country is an angel? The PRC???

The reinterpretation of Japan's constitution came with overwhelming international support. It could not happen without the threat China poses to its neighbors.
Well. Japan dismay track record was badly tarnished by her own deed.
Japan had a history of hegemony and imperialism.
Annexed Kingdom of Ryuku, then Taiwan in 1895, then Korea in 1910.
Japan tried to annex Shandong in 1910 and that triggered the founding of Communist Party of China by patriotic students in Peking. Nationalism that was triggered by the action of the League of Nations.
They invaded Northern China in 1931 then a full invasion by 1935.
They denied all their wrongdoings and is displease when China and South Korea displaced their malfeasances all over the place.
in fact Japan surrender not because of USA A-bombs but because Communist soldiers had completely destroyed their industrial bases in North Eastern China.
Japan lost her capability to wage war without those stolen resources in China.
That is why I always laughed at Americans who claimes they save Asia.
The fierciest and more bitter battles were all fought inside China.
(Estimation of casualties including civilians came to 100 millions.)
Their account of war in Asia is not the real history.
 
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The view of Japan being a threat is PRC's own creation. But of course Japan is no angel. What country is an angel? The PRC???

The reinterpretation of Japan's constitution came with overwhelming international support. It could not happen without the threat China poses to its neighbors.
FYI China do not viewed Japan as a threat.
Just an obedient lackey of an imperialistic power across the Pacific.
 
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In fact East Asian Nations should cooperate and be working towards a goal as an East Asian Union.
Then like SCO, the other peaceful members in Asia can be invited.
That will keep all imperialistic power out of the region. All dispute should be settled within East Asia without war.
 
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FYI China do not viewed Japan as a threat.
Just an obedient lackey of an imperialistic power across the Pacific.

You just said Japan was a threat in the post that I was replying to. Now you're saying the opposite.

Thank you for the exchange.
 
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You just said Japan was a threat in the post that I was replying to. Now you're saying the opposite.

Thank you for the exchange.
You failed your comprehension.
Generally Chinese in China may not viewed Japan as a threat but that do not applied to many in the rest of Asia, the former victims of Japan WW2 imperialism and actrocities.
6000 of captured Australian PoW were forced to march to Sandakan to their PoW Camp and only 30 finally arrived.
You imagine the descendants of these Australian PoW will worship and adored Japan.
 
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Nearly half of Taiwanese unwilling to fight to defend nation
By George Liao, Taiwan News, Staff Writer

2020/07/20 20:57


TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — About 75 percent of Taiwanese agree with the proposition that Taiwan should extend the period of military conscription instead of adopting a completely voluntary recruitment policy, according to a recent survey carried out by ETtoday.

Among the respondents, 50.8 percent strongly agree with the proposition, 24.4 percent slightly agree, 12 percent slightly disagree, 5.9 percent totally disagree, and 7 percent have no opinion, per China Times.

Before 2000, Taiwan's conscription system mandated that all males over the age of 18 serve two years in the military. This has since been shortened to four months of basic training.

As tensions between the United States and China continue to rise, the situation around the Taiwan Strait has become more treacherous. Some scholars have even predicted a war within three years, according to the report.

If war were to break out between Taiwan and China, 40.9 percent of those surveyed said that they are willing to fight or would not object to their family's participation, while 49.1 percent said the opposite.

Compared to the results of a previous survey, the percentage of people willing to take up arms in defense of Taiwan or support family members in doing so has increased significantly, perhaps owing to increased anxiety over China's true intentions after recent events such as the implementation of Beijing's new national security law for Hong Kong.

Those willing to fight for Taiwan are typically male, between the ages of 30 and 39, and with party affiliations slanting towards the green coalition, which includes supporters of the Democratic Progressive Party and New Power Party among others.

The ETtoday survey was conducted among Taiwanese over 20 years of age between July 15 and 16, and 2,640 valid samples were collected. The survey has a margin of error of plus or minus 1.91 percent with a 95 percent confidence interval.

That's because Taiwan will be flattened and nothing will be left of it , people aren't stupid. Taiwan know it will be a name change and business will continue as normal if China takes over , just like with Hong Kong. The alternative is total destruction. The rich will flee to the US and leave the poor to defend the island and the rich will return to reclaim the leadership once the conflict is over, assuming Taiwan survives.
 
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You failed your comprehension.
Generally Chinese in China may not viewed Japan as a threat but that do not applied to many in the rest of Asia, the former victims of Japan WW2 imperialism and actrocities.
6000 of Australian PoW marched from from Sandakan to their PoW Camp ans only 30 arrived.
You imagine the descendants of these Australian PoW will worship and adored Japan.

Actually I think the Australians are good and practical and in the right to pay respects to their war dead and in the right to criticize any point of view that tries to glorify the atrocities. What I say is what I mean, a middle road of faults and bad by both sides, not a black and white picture where one side was absolute right and the other was absolutely wrong. That's the actual history of it. If not and you think I think as how you describe, then find a link of me saying that.
 
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That's because Taiwan will be flattened and nothing will be left of it , people aren't stupid. Taiwan know it will be a name change and business will continue as normal if China takes over , just like with Hong Kong. The alternative is total destruction. The rich will flee to the US and leave the poor to defend the island and the rich will return to reclaim the leadership once the conflict is over, assuming Taiwan survives.
Yes. It is very much like in Hong Kong today. The silent majority only wanted to live in peace and prosperity.
That is why the majority of the people welcome the national Security Law.
But USA and the West distorted the truth by loudly propagating the voice of a few whose crimes included vandalism, destruction of public properties looting, murders, etc and then tagged them as pro-democracy protesters.
First they went against the Refugee Offence Ordinance or Extradition Agreement because it was fakely present to the peiple to raise fear.
Now these rascals demanded that Hong Kong extradited these 12 criminals caught by China trying to flee to Taiwan.
Now 5 of them who fled fo Taiwan are also apprehended by Taiwanese Authority.
Taiwan also don't want criminals.
That is how people are tricked by the Western mainstream media but not us.
 
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That's because Taiwan will be flattened and nothing will be left of it , people aren't stupid. Taiwan know it will be a name change and business will continue as normal if China takes over , just like with Hong Kong. The alternative is total destruction. The rich will flee to the US and leave the poor to defend the island and the rich will return to reclaim the leadership once the conflict is over, assuming Taiwan survives.

So much for PRC "toleration".

Actually this extreme desparation displayed by the PRC to maintain their claim on Taiwan makes them look very weak in some ways. It's like being unable to live without the claim. Seems like crazy addiction.
 
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Actually I think the Australians are good and practical and in the right to pay respects to their war dead and in the right to criticize any point of view that tries to glorify the atrocities. What I say is what I mean, a middle road of faults and bad by both sides, not a black and white picture where one side was absolute right and the other was absolutely wrong. That's the actual history of it. If not and you think I think as how you describe, then find a link of me saying that.
Folks may forgive the sins of your ancestors out of empathy but did they forget the sins of Japan as a nation.
I have Japanese happily residing with me as my neighbor but that does not means I forget the actrocities of Japan during WW2.
Get it right.
Remilitarization of Japan is a risk based on her trck record and by denying the Rape of Nanking, Sex slaves as well as Mssacre of Manila shows Japan have not shown their remorse nor repented.
So whatever you say, the fear woyld go away nor dispersed. It is still here. The mass headless graves are living testimonial of Japan warcrimes.
 
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Folks may forgive the sins of your ancestors out of empathy but did they forget the sins of Japan as a nation.
I have Japanese happily residing with me as my neighbor but that does not means I forget the actrocities of Japan during WW2.
Get it right.
Remilitarization of Japan is a risk based on her trck record and by denying the Rape of Nanking, Sex slaves as well as Mssacre of Manila shows Japan have not shown their remorse nor repented.
So whatever you say, the fear woyld go away nor dispersed. It is still here. The mass headless graves are living testimonial of Japan warcrimes.

Again, that is a stigma created by PRC propaganda that does not just not recognize out of ignorance but literally refuses to recognize history in the full. So the circle of distrust will remain around PRC.
 
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Again, that is a stigma created by PRC propaganda that does not just not recognize out of ignorance but literally refuses to recognize history in the full. So the circle of distrust will remain around PRC.
There you go again. Defending the indefensible legacy of WW2 Japan.
There will always be people of my generation that will continue to entrall the future generation of the danger of Japan militarization.
Now the War museum depicting the actrocities won't go away.
Abe past visits to Yasukuni Shrine where Japan on purpose has kept the remains of Class A Wartime Criminals have provoked and angered many including your truly.
It just go to demonstrate that Japan is still harboring its ambition to conquer and enslave Asia. Are we wrong? :coffee:
 
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There you go again. Defending the indefensible legacy of WW2 Japan.
There will always be people of my generation that will continue to entrall the future generation of the danger of Japan militarization.
Now the War museum depicting the actrocities won't go away.
Abe past visits to Yasukuni Shrine where Japan on purpose has kept the remains of Class A Wartime Criminals have provoked and angered many including your truly.
It just go to demonstrate that Japan is still harboring its ambition to conquer and enslave Asia. Are we wrong? :coffee:

Rape of Nanking is often exaggerated. Degree of rape is difficult to assess. I'm sure it happened, along with pillage. It wasn't permitted from above command, but ground soldiers got too far with it. Surely a degree of racial superiority feeling was there. But i think this is defined as unique too much from observers today. What country didn't (and even today, so doesn't) view themselves as superior? Sure its a point to hold against Japanese. But this point is really kind of mute, people back then were racists across the board. What the Japanese certainly were not was what the Nazi's were. Japan had no policy of genocide. Sometimes Chinese react like how Jews react to the Nazis. Going that far is unreasonable and it fails to take into account the whole situation in entirety.

The main thing about Nanking is not the rape or pillaging, its the massacre that followed. But even this point is exaggerated. To start with, a few points before stating some number estimates. First off, after the Chinese Civil War ended in 1949 and throughout the rest of Mao's term, there was no talk about the Nanking Massacre. Mao never acknowledge it. Funny that. If it really was such a national tragedy for China, why didn't Mao ever talk about it? It's really astonishing that someday I think an example of him talking about it will turn up. But I haven't seen it yet. Another point to considered are the estimates of the population in the city of Nanking before and after the 6 week long lock down of the city by Japanese forces. The city had a population of about 800,000 around September or so. The Japanese Army was advancing and so people started to flee. By the time it was December, it is estimated the city's population was about 250,000. So then came the lock down, and then afterwards, by around February, the population was still around 250,000. Last point is that people came back into the city after the end of the lockdown and that the Japanese implemented policy to not loot and not rape for the sake of restoring order in the city and they gave free medical check ups. And yes, later Wang Jingwei would join the Japanese side to administer the Japanese controlled parts of China.

So why say those two points? Because by the 1980s came around, then people started talking about the Nanking Massacre and making up fake causality numbers. The number 300,000 comes out. So its been said that 300,000 have been massacred. That's a lot of people to claim to have been innocently massacred on the spot. But then comes the 1990s, and the 2000s, and heated debates take place, and it becomes obvious that 300,000 innocent civilians massacred is just simply not possible. So then the propagandists change their interpretation of 300,000 to include fallen soldiers or collateral damage and so on. But if doing so, then that doesn't fall in the massacre now does it. Collateral damage is unfortunate but it is not the same as willful intent to massacre standing unarmed people after a battle. And soldiers are soldiers, they don't count in a massacre statistics. And even after that, 300,000 is still too high.

Now defeated soldiers could still count as part of massacred even they were captured or if they even surrendered. But in Nanking is was muddled. CKS gave the order to fight in Nanking to the bitter end. Afterall Nanking was the capital and CKS wanted the highest possible struggle. Soldiers were not allowed to retreat. CKS forces on the other side had orders to shoot anyone that tried to retreat from Nanking. So when the Japanese came in, it was all to obvious that the Chinese soldiers were defeated, but they did not hold up the white flag and come out with their hands up. Instead they put on civilian clothes and scattered into the city's population.

So the massacre that did take place was the hunting down of once formally soldiers that scattered into the city populations. Most likely because the Japanese didn't want to risk a sort of guerrilla warfare inside the city. I of course don't take blame on some Chinese that were thinking of doing that. They were fighting for their city. But that is the basis of the massacre that was to take place. Well I'm sure some of the Chinese boy soldiers were just terrified of everything and wanted to escape being part of the fight. So after the battle, and after the Chinese soldiers scattered into the population, during lock down, the Japanese Army rounded up men that looked able to fight and had evidence of having been a soldier such as imprints of rifle-use on their body and such. They got massacred. The total size of the Chinese defending army is debatable but was something like 100,000 men. So naturally most died fighting, some scattered into the population. Total massacred was probably something like 20,000-40,000, mostly fighting age men from an army that did not surrender and just scattered into the population.

Its a said story. It's appropriate to have a memorial for it. Its fine if there are any grudges towards Japan about it. But what is not fine are the lies and exaggerations made about it particularly by Chinese posters. Most of the time, they are just repeating hearsay and never take an objective view about their history. Yes it is a very emotional history, but if viewing it in the absence of an objective view, it'll never become possible to reconcile. I reckon a high school book could be more descriptive about the massacre if it wasn't politicized. If the book publishes wanted to include an estimate in degree of massacre, say they put in 50,000-100,000 massacred, then since its not the 300,000, then the Chinese government would protests. And western media that got used to the air waves of victor's glory in writing history gives the the claim of 300,000 a free hand.

As for the Japanese class A war crminals.. has any of you actually looked up who they were? Some I don't particularly mind the bad title such as Tojo or Doihara, but Shigenori Togo? What did he do to get slapped with "Class-A war criminal"? Surely Chaing Kai-shek and FDR were more qualified for "Class-A war criminal" than Togo.

Yasukuni Shrine, a place for the war dead. It's not anywhere else in Japanese society. It's not like Japanese people hold up portrait images of Tojo like how people do that with portraits of Stalin, or put Mao's face on every currency bill, or how fanboys wear swastikas at cheap demonstrations. So in some way, them being at Yasukuni is sort of over complained really. Although people like Tojo at Yasukuni could theoretically serve as a launch pad of greater acceptance and a more justifying sort narrative and propaganda but that risk exist in most countries in their own national forms. The Tokyo Tribunal was a victors write history court. The basis for "Class A War crime" was for being "instrumental for the complete fault by Japan in starting WW2". But now as what a proper look at history shows, the Chinese communist, Chinag Kai-shek, and FDR was just as much of a cause for the start of that war. But whatever on it, I really don't dwell on it, but points have to be made sometimes. In the end, out of the major world powers in the race to be top power of the world.. out of Great Britain, the US, Russia/Soviet, Nazi Germany, Commie China, Imperial Japan, France.. the US coming out on top isn't so bad.. all things considered. Winners write the history for the masses. If Imperial Japan had won, it would have its own BS narrative in central acceptance. So in the end, I sometimes don't like pushing too hard with my conclusions. But I find nothing wrong with Abe going to Yasukuni Shrine with all these things considered.
 
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Rape of Nanking is often exaggerated. Degree of rape is difficult to assess. I'm sure it happened, along with pillage. It wasn't permitted from above command, but ground soldiers got too far with it. Surely a degree of racial superiority feeling was there. But i think this is defined as unique too much from observers today. What country didn't (and even today, so doesn't) view themselves as superior? Sure its a point to hold against Japanese. But this point is really kind of mute, people back then were racists across the board. What the Japanese certainly were not was what the Nazi's were. Japan had no policy of genocide. Sometimes Chinese react like how Jews react to the Nazis. Going that far is unreasonable and it fails to take into account the whole situation in entirety.

The main thing about Nanking is not the rape or pillaging, its the massacre that followed. But even this point is exaggerated. To start with, a few points before stating some number estimates. First off, after the Chinese Civil War ended in 1949 and throughout the rest of Mao's term, there was no talk about the Nanking Massacre. Mao never acknowledge it. Funny that. If it really was such a national tragedy for China, why didn't Mao ever talk about it? It's really astonishing that someday I think an example of him talking about it will turn up. But I haven't seen it yet. Another point to considered are the estimates of the population in the city of Nanking before and after the 6 week long lock down of the city by Japanese forces. The city had a population of about 800,000 around September or so. The Japanese Army was advancing and so people started to flee. By the time it was December, it is estimated the city's population was about 250,000. So then came the lock down, and then afterwards, by around February, the population was still around 250,000. Last point is that people came back into the city after the end of the lockdown and that the Japanese implemented policy to not loot and not rape for the sake of restoring order in the city and they gave free medical check ups. And yes, later Wang Jingwei would join the Japanese side to administer the Japanese controlled parts of China.

So why say those two points? Because by the 1980s came around, then people started talking about the Nanking Massacre and making up fake causality numbers. The number 300,000 comes out. So its been said that 300,000 have been massacred. That's a lot of people to claim to have been innocently massacred on the spot. But then comes the 1990s, and the 2000s, and heated debates take place, and it becomes obvious that 300,000 innocent civilians massacred is just simply not possible. So then the propagandists change their interpretation of 300,000 to include fallen soldiers or collateral damage and so on. But if doing so, then that doesn't fall in the massacre now does it. Collateral damage is unfortunate but it is not the same as willful intent to massacre standing unarmed people after a battle. And soldiers are soldiers, they don't count in a massacre statistics. And even after that, 300,000 is still too high.

Now defeated soldiers could still count as part of massacred even they were captured or if they even surrendered. But in Nanking is was muddled. CKS gave the order to fight in Nanking to the bitter end. Afterall Nanking was the capital and CKS wanted the highest possible struggle. Soldiers were not allowed to retreat. CKS forces on the other side had orders to shoot anyone that tried to retreat from Nanking. So when the Japanese came in, it was all to obvious that the Chinese soldiers were defeated, but they did not hold up the white flag and come out with their hands up. Instead they put on civilian clothes and scattered into the city's population.

So the massacre that did take place was the hunting down of once formally soldiers that scattered into the city populations. Most likely because the Japanese didn't want to risk a sort of guerrilla warfare inside the city. I of course don't take blame on some Chinese that were thinking of doing that. They were fighting for their city. But that is the basis of the massacre that was to take place. Well I'm sure some of the Chinese boy soldiers were just terrified of everything and wanted to escape being part of the fight. So after the battle, and after the Chinese soldiers scattered into the population, during lock down, the Japanese Army rounded up men that looked able to fight and had evidence of having been a soldier such as imprints of rifle-use on their body and such. They got massacred. The total size of the Chinese defending army is debatable but was something like 100,000 men. So naturally most died fighting, some scattered into the population. Total massacred was probably something like 20,000-40,000, mostly fighting age men from an army that did not surrender and just scattered into the population.

Its a said story. It's appropriate to have a memorial for it. Its fine if there are any grudges towards Japan about it. But what is not fine are the lies and exaggerations made about it particularly by Chinese posters. Most of the time, they are just repeating hearsay and never take an objective view about their history. Yes it is a very emotional history, but if viewing it in the absence of an objective view, it'll never become possible to reconcile. I reckon a high school book could be more descriptive about the massacre if it wasn't politicized. If the book publishes wanted to include an estimate in degree of massacre, say they put in 50,000-100,000 massacred, then since its not the 300,000, then the Chinese government would protests. And western media that got used to the air waves of victor's glory in writing history gives the the claim of 300,000 a free hand.

As for the Japanese class A war crminals.. has any of you actually looked up who they were? Some I don't particularly mind the bad title such as Tojo or Doihara, but Shigenori Togo? What did he do to get slapped with "Class-A war criminal"? Surely Chaing Kai-shek and FDR were more qualified for "Class-A war criminal" than Togo.

Yasukuni Shrine, a place for the war dead. It's not anywhere else in Japanese society. It's not like Japanese people hold up portrait images of Tojo like how people do that with portraits of Stalin, or put Mao's face on every currency bill, or how fanboys wear swastikas at cheap demonstrations. So in some way, them being at Yasukuni is sort of over complained really. Although people like Tojo at Yasukuni could theoretically serve as a launch pad of greater acceptance and a more justifying sort narrative and propaganda but that risk exist in most countries in their own national forms. The Tokyo Tribunal was a victors write history court. The basis for "Class A War crime" was for being "instrumental for the complete fault by Japan in starting WW2". But now as what a proper look at history shows, the Chinese communist, Chinag Kai-shek, and FDR was just as much of a cause for the start of that war. But whatever on it, I really don't dwell on it, but points have to be made sometimes. In the end, out of the major world powers in the race to be top power of the world.. out of Great Britain, the US, Russia/Soviet, Nazi Germany, Commie China, Imperial Japan, France.. the US coming out on top isn't so bad.. all things considered. Winners write the history for the masses. If Imperial Japan had won, it would have its own BS narrative in central acceptance. So in the end, I sometimes don't like pushing too hard with my conclusions. But I find nothing wrong with Abe going to Yasukuni Shrine with all these things considered.
The more you defend Japan, the more angry many Asians will be become being reminded of atrocities committed by Japan.
You do not find anything wrong with Abe as a Leader of Japan visiting Yasukuni Shrine just go on to show how the culture of Japan has been diluted and poisoned by US value. You are now officially a DISHONORABLE san.

No wonder Trump choose to ignore UN nation and imposed his unilateral sanction against all the other member states of UN.

It also goes on to show how important Russia or China are today.
They totally balance US aggression.
They are the only nations that weaker nations can look up to stop the US led imperialism and hegemony.

Anyway Japan is already in a recession and with a protectionist USA, what option does she have?
India??? Even Toyota may be pulling out.

That is why Trump is in a dilemma and South Korea do bot shared US lead iniative against China.
The truth is South Korea may even fifht along the side of China against Japan.
Don't forget the sex slave symbolic woman looking at Japan embassy in Seoul created by SK Government.
 
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The more you defend Japan, the more angry many Asians will be become being reminded of atrocities committed by Japan.
You do not find anything wrong with Abe as a Leader of Japan visiting Yasukuni Shrine just go on to show how the culture of Japan has been diluted and poisoned by US value. You are now officially a DISHONORABLE san.

No wonder Trump choose to ignore UN nation and imposed his unilateral sanction against all the other member states of UN.

It also goes on to show how important Russia or China are today.
They totally balance US aggression.
They are the only nations that weaker nations can look up to stop the US led imperialism and hegemony.

Anyway Japan is already in a recession and with a protectionist USA, what option does she have?
India??? Even Toyota may be pulling out.

That is why Trump is in a dilemma and South Korea do bot shared US lead iniative against China.
The truth is South Korea may even fifht along the side of China against Japan.
Don't forget the sex slave symbolic woman looking at Japan embassy in Seoul created by SK Government.

I stand by what I have said 100%.

Thank you for the exchange.
 
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