Nawaz shareef hints at Army behind protest

[VCheng]

No matter what you say, Army is following orders and maintaining peace. Nothing more, nothing less. It's your biasness which is preventing you to accept the reality and to achieve process, either you fight or either you do dialogue. Since Constitutional boss of army has given mandate army achieve peace without specifying how, army would use every possible way at it's disposal , of course, as it's a duty of Army to carry out their Boss order which were conveyed to them through their boss's close confidants, CM Punjab and Federal Interior minister



Any proof army meddling in politics as of right now? Throwing generalizations, assumptions, hearsays and I said so statements doesn't cut it during arguments. It's just like IK throwing wild accusations

And no matter what you say, the fact remains that there is no legal cover to Army's "participation" in politics according to the Constitution, and that is a FACT.

 

[Bratva]

And no matter what you say, the fact remains that there is no legal cover to Army's "participation" in politics according to the Constitution, and that is a FACT.

Who says army is participating in politics? Neither you are privy to ongoing details nor any political party has accused army of meddling politics.You are just clutching to straws which is your typical behaviour.

No matter what you say, you are an american and you won't understand Pakistani politics and how army is bound to help civilian in any way possible

 

[VCheng]

Who says army is participating in politics?

"Participation". Please note the quotation marks. What it actually means is illegal meddling.

 

[Bratva]

"Participation". Please note the quotation marks. What it actually means is illegal meddling.

A desperation attempt to pull imaginary meddling of Army out of thin air and present it as a gospel truth. Thank you very much, but your opinion has no value what so ever

 

[VCheng]

A desperation attempt to pull imaginary meddling of Army out of thin air and present it as a gospel truth. Thank you very much, but your opinion has no value what so ever

To you my opinion may not mean much, but I am entitled to it just as you are to yours. Absolutely fine by me.

What I express is supported by the facts in evidence, so let others make up their own minds.

 

[Bratva]

To you my opinion may not mean much, but I am entitled to it just as you are to yours. Absolutely fine by me.

What I express is supported by the facts in evidence, so let others make up their own minds.

And where are these evidences? Presumably locked safely in some vault in Area 51 ?

 

[VCheng]

And where are these evidences? Presumably locked safely in some vault in Area 51 ?

Let's start with what law allows the Army to "mediate" or otherwise "participate" in politics? Is there any? Nope. So that makes whatever the Army is doing now illegal.

 

[Bratva]

Let's start with what law allows the Army to "mediate" or otherwise "participate" in politics? Is there any? Nope. So that makes whatever the Army is doing now illegal.

Did supreme court declared it illegal ? To maintain peace army is taking necessary steps by interpreting constituiton, afterall interpreting constitution is one of the duties of SC. Since SC hasn't raise any ruckus, so whatever you say doesn't matter.

 

[VCheng]

Did supreme court declared it illegal ?

Please read Article 245 and the Oath of the Military officers before you proceed further along this line of reasoning. It will be quite informative.

 

[Bratva]

Please read Article 245 and the Oath of the Military officers before you proceed further along this line of reasoning. It will be quite informative.

Multiple interpretations could be inferred from article 245 on how to maintain peace . it is SC duty to fix which interpretation is more appropriate, until than whatever army is doing is legal.

 

[VCheng]

Multiple interpretations could be inferred from article 245 on how to maintain peace . it is SC duty to fix which interpretation is more appropriate, until than whatever army is doing is legal.

The law is clear and precise. There are no "multiple interpretations" possible with Article 245.

 

[Bratva]

The law is clear and precise. There are no "multiple interpretations" possible with Article 245.

Article: 245 Functions of Armed Forces
245. Functions of Armed Forces.- 1[(1)] The Armed Forces shall, under the directions of the Federal Government, defend Pakistan against external aggression or threat of war, and, subject to law, act in aid of civil power when called upon to do so.

(2) The validity of any direction issued by the Federal Government under clause (1), shall not be called in question in any Court.

Enough said, I suggest, either you read Pakistani constitution or stop arguing. Debating with misleading facts is thoroughly disingenuous and intellectual dishonesty on your behalf

 

[VCheng]

Article: 245 Functions of Armed Forces
245. Functions of Armed Forces.- 1[(1)] The Armed Forces shall, under the directions of the Federal Government, defend Pakistan against external aggression or threat of war, and, subject to law, act in aid of civil power when called upon to do so.

(2) The validity of any direction issued by the Federal Government under clause (1), shall not be called in question in any Court.

Enough said, I suggest, either you read Pakistani constitution or stop arguing. Debating with misleading facts is thoroughly disingenuous and intellectual dishonesty on your behalf

If there is any dishonesty here, it is not on my part Sir.

The Article clearly states that The Armed Forces can only act in aid of civil power as directed. There is no way that involves anything on the political side. None.

 

[Bratva]

If there is any dishonesty here, it is not on my part Sir.

The Article clearly states that The Armed Forces can only act in aid of civil power as directed. There is no way that involves anything on the political side. None.

As they say, A lie often repeated becomes truth.

It's your habit to regurgitate without presenting a shred of evidence and you were repeatedly told Army is not meddling while Civilians involved army through Shahbaz and Nisar "in aid of civil power"

To move forward from this point, I'm genuinely expecting something concrete , if you got then quote this post, if not, don't waste bandwidth by posting hearsays and lies.

 

[Pulsar]

I don't buy this story that the army is behind IK and Qadri, nor do I believe that the army is trying to commit a coup. I don't for one second believe anything will occur. The complete support for a vast majority of both major and minor parties in Pakistan has proven one thing, no one wants NS to resign or be taken out of power. The army will not be able to do such a thing, neither the public, nor the judiciary will tolerate such an extra-constitutional act.

But the question is, why did Nawaz meet with the army chief to discuss the stand off? Was he being given orders by the chief? Why seek the advice and discuss with the army what is purely a political issue? Internal security is the responsibility of the police/para military forces, not the army. So why did Nawaz not discuss the issue with the chiefs of the police/para military instead of the army? That's because Nawaz knew the Army is central to the plot.

That just goes to show who is actually calling the shots in Pakistani plitics.