Navy’s submarine fleet is outdated: Experts

[ashok321]

Experts agree on the sorry state of the Indian Navy’s ageing submarine fleet, against China and Pakistan’s rapidly modernised and large underwater strength. Bureaucratic delays in approving modernisation plans and rigid procurement processes, naval officers explained, has lengthened refits and modernisations of even the existing submarine fleet, which are already obsolete as they are almost two decades old.

India’s submarine fleet has only 13 submarines that comprises four German-origin HDW Type-209 vessels (christened the ‘Shishumar class’ in the IN) and Russian-make 877EM ‘Kilo’ class (named the Sindhugosh class), and a leased nuclear powered Russian ‘Akula II’, that can fire guided missiles.


“However out of these, not more than six could be operationally available at any given point of time. Apart from the Akula II (INS Chakra), the rest of the German and Russian submarines have completed at least 70 per cent of their operational lives,” a naval officer said. In case of a sudden war — fears of which are already rife in light of the deteriorating relationship with China and Pakistan — the antiquated Indian submarine fleet will have to face Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) powered French-origin Agosta 90B of the Pakistan Navy. AIPs are the “next best option” to nuclear-powered vessels, since the system allows a submarine to remain submerged for longer period of time.


The Scorpene class boats, being built at the city-based Mazagon Docks Limited, will have the AIP installed on the last two of the six vessels. “The first vessel is only undergoing sea trials, and won’t be commissioned until late 2016, while the remaining submarines are still being constructed. Each of them will be ready to serve with the Navy not before 2020,” said an officer.


Additionally, the AIP planned to be installed on the last two Scorpene vessels is being developed by the Defence Research Development Organization (DRDO), and its readiness is planned to coincide with their launch. Given the history of DRDO projects, the AIPs may be failures, leaving the last two boats without an advanced propulsion system, he said.


Experts however pointed out that overall, considering the presence of aircraft carriers and a large, advanced and home-built surface fleet, the Indian Navy was still superior to the Pakistan Navy.

http://www.asianage.com/mumbai/navy-s-sub-fleet-outdated-experts-673

 

[cerberus]

Experts agree on the sorry state of the Indian Navy’s ageing submarine fleet, against China and Pakistan’s rapidly modernised and large underwater strength. Bureaucratic delays in approving modernisation plans and rigid procurement processes, naval officers explained, has lengthened refits and modernisations of even the existing submarine fleet, which are already obsolete as they are almost two decades old.

India’s submarine fleet has only 13 submarines that comprises four German-origin HDW Type-209 vessels (christened the ‘Shishumar class’ in the IN) and Russian-make 877EM ‘Kilo’ class (named the Sindhugosh class), and a leased nuclear powered Russian ‘Akula II’, that can fire guided missiles.


“However out of these, not more than six could be operationally available at any given point of time. Apart from the Akula II (INS Chakra), the rest of the German and Russian submarines have completed at least 70 per cent of their operational lives,” a naval officer said. In case of a sudden war — fears of which are already rife in light of the deteriorating relationship with China and Pakistan — the antiquated Indian submarine fleet will have to face Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) powered French-origin Agosta 90B of the Pakistan Navy. AIPs are the “next best option” to nuclear-powered vessels, since the system allows a submarine to remain submerged for longer period of time.


The Scorpene class boats, being built at the city-based Mazagon Docks Limited, will have the AIP installed on the last two of the six vessels. “The first vessel is only undergoing sea trials, and won’t be commissioned until late 2016, while the remaining submarines are still being constructed. Each of them will be ready to serve with the Navy not before 2020,” said an officer.


Additionally, the AIP planned to be installed on the last two Scorpene vessels is being developed by the Defence Research Development Organization (DRDO), and its readiness is planned to coincide with their launch. Given the history of DRDO projects, the AIPs may be failures, leaving the last two boats without an advanced propulsion system, he said.


Experts however pointed out that overall, considering the presence of aircraft carriers and a large, advanced and home-built surface fleet, the Indian Navy was still superior to the Pakistan Navy.

http://www.asianage.com/mumbai/navy-s-sub-fleet-outdated-experts-673

Gossip blog at best Indian Media 101 Less facts More rhetorics

 

[GuardianRED]

Experts agree on the sorry state of the Indian Navy’s ageing submarine fleet, against China and Pakistan’s rapidly modernised and large underwater strength. Bureaucratic delays in approving modernisation plans and rigid procurement processes, naval officers explained, has lengthened refits and modernisations of even the existing submarine fleet, which are already obsolete as they are almost two decades old.

India’s submarine fleet has only 13 submarines that comprises four German-origin HDW Type-209 vessels (christened the ‘Shishumar class’ in the IN) and Russian-make 877EM ‘Kilo’ class (named the Sindhugosh class), and a leased nuclear powered Russian ‘Akula II’, that can fire guided missiles.


“However out of these, not more than six could be operationally available at any given point of time. Apart from the Akula II (INS Chakra), the rest of the German and Russian submarines have completed at least 70 per cent of their operational lives,” a naval officer said. In case of a sudden war — fears of which are already rife in light of the deteriorating relationship with China and Pakistan — the antiquated Indian submarine fleet will have to face Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) powered French-origin Agosta 90B of the Pakistan Navy. AIPs are the “next best option” to nuclear-powered vessels, since the system allows a submarine to remain submerged for longer period of time.


The Scorpene class boats, being built at the city-based Mazagon Docks Limited, will have the AIP installed on the last two of the six vessels. “The first vessel is only undergoing sea trials, and won’t be commissioned until late 2016, while the remaining submarines are still being constructed. Each of them will be ready to serve with the Navy not before 2020,” said an officer.


Additionally, the AIP planned to be installed on the last two Scorpene vessels is being developed by the Defence Research Development Organization (DRDO), and its readiness is planned to coincide with their launch. Given the history of DRDO projects, the AIPs may be failures, leaving the last two boats without an advanced propulsion system, he said.


Experts however pointed out that overall, considering the presence of aircraft carriers and a large, advanced and home-built surface fleet, the Indian Navy was still superior to the Pakistan Navy.

http://www.asianage.com/mumbai/navy-s-sub-fleet-outdated-experts-673

Idiot in the making.... Did he just woke up? or he needed to meet a deadline and rehashed an old article. Forgot that the HDK will be upgrading all the Subs + the Kilos - half of them are upgraded to the lasted standard and the rest are in the process??

 

[wiseone2]

Experts agree on the sorry state of the Indian Navy’s ageing submarine fleet, against China and Pakistan’s rapidly modernised and large underwater strength. Bureaucratic delays in approving modernisation plans and rigid procurement processes, naval officers explained, has lengthened refits and modernisations of even the existing submarine fleet, which are already obsolete as they are almost two decades old.

India’s submarine fleet has only 13 submarines that comprises four German-origin HDW Type-209 vessels (christened the ‘Shishumar class’ in the IN) and Russian-make 877EM ‘Kilo’ class (named the Sindhugosh class), and a leased nuclear powered Russian ‘Akula II’, that can fire guided missiles.


“However out of these, not more than six could be operationally available at any given point of time. Apart from the Akula II (INS Chakra), the rest of the German and Russian submarines have completed at least 70 per cent of their operational lives,” a naval officer said. In case of a sudden war — fears of which are already rife in light of the deteriorating relationship with China and Pakistan — the antiquated Indian submarine fleet will have to face Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) powered French-origin Agosta 90B of the Pakistan Navy. AIPs are the “next best option” to nuclear-powered vessels, since the system allows a submarine to remain submerged for longer period of time.


The Scorpene class boats, being built at the city-based Mazagon Docks Limited, will have the AIP installed on the last two of the six vessels. “The first vessel is only undergoing sea trials, and won’t be commissioned until late 2016, while the remaining submarines are still being constructed. Each of them will be ready to serve with the Navy not before 2020,” said an officer.


Additionally, the AIP planned to be installed on the last two Scorpene vessels is being developed by the Defence Research Development Organization (DRDO), and its readiness is planned to coincide with their launch. Given the history of DRDO projects, the AIPs may be failures, leaving the last two boats without an advanced propulsion system, he said.


Experts however pointed out that overall, considering the presence of aircraft carriers and a large, advanced and home-built surface fleet, the Indian Navy was still superior to the Pakistan Navy.

http://www.asianage.com/mumbai/navy-s-sub-fleet-outdated-experts-673

Indian submarines might not fight Pakistani submarines head to head
submarines have to contend with surface ships and ASW aircraft/choppers

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

Indian Submarine Fleet is old and need replacement => Agreed

Availability of 50% is bad => No
The availability of submarine fleet of more modern submarines from Australia, Canada, Netherlands and Germany are similar.