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Only Time will tell... And Mixing "Arabs with those in Power" is a grave mistake...

The time has spoken for several times, free to ignore it.

The recent spring thing has refuted it again and got the place in the Time line, again free to ignore it.

Arabs (Arab world the cradle of civilization) were building the oldest and first civilizations on the planet and at the forefront on most front for millennia upon millennia, and this even continued during the Islamic era (1000 years of Arab rule of the Caliphate) and oil was nowhere to be seen.

You are in contradictions, but it is not the reason for me to tolerate your agressive posts, just making some point for me, thanks so far.
 
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The time has spoken for several times, free to ignore it.

The recent spring thing has refuted it again and got the place in the Time line, again free to ignore it.



You are in contradictions, but it is not the reason for me to tolerate your agressive posts, just making some point for me, thanks so far.

The "Arab Spring" was not a real revolution in most Arab countries. Rather a well-planned attack by the usual suspects (led by the West) to weaken the Arabs further. Which is why the same West has been creating, hosting and funding every Arab enemy in sight. Including domestic terrorists who to this very day are save to produce terrorist propaganda and poison Arab and Muslim youth from those very same Western capitals. Some of which I already exposed in this thread (beginning).

I am interested to hear who will benefit from a strong Arab world when the only 3 relevant non-Arab powers in the region are Israel (should I explain why they don't want to see a strong Arab world), Iran (same thing under the Mullah's) or Turkey (under Erdogan the same thing for obvious reasons). Or Europe next door? Or maybe the US, lol?

As for contradictions. There are zero contradictions. Long before anyone had heard about oil, Arabs and our glorious ancestors, contributed to the world and created such advanced civilizations and kingdoms (the first in the world) who are still admired by people across the entire world and whose contributions to the world live on in the modern-day world on numerous fronts spanning from science itself to much of modern-day technology, let alone religion, philosophies, architecture and much more. When outsiders try to downplay those historical facts, obviously we will tell them a few truths here and there which is only a normal thing.

There is no "aggression" other than speaking the truth. My problem is not Turkey. Or non-anti-Arab Turks. My problem are your Erdogan's policies in the Arab world (which I consider as poisonous for us as seen for years) and the anti-Arab Turks here on PDF and elsewhere who get collective orgasms when Qatar is mentioned and defend that regime at every opportunity, but curse other Arabs, as if Qataris magically were not Arabs, forgetting that the Qatari identity is a recent construct as explained in previous posts.

Arabs are not some 3 million big Bosnians who take pride in having their identity created in the last 500 years and who hate their own brethren (Serbs and Croats) who are identical outside of religion and who glorify 400 years of foreign occupation. Who lick the *** of that entity by large. You won't see Arabs doing that against anyone. Never did that happen in history. Where we are under attack or oppressed, we are always fighting back, even against all odds. Doing, often, much damage to the opponent and never backing down.
 
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Reis Erdo'an started his carrier selling lemons at the street corner while being in elementary school to support his family...

Great men are the products of troubled childhoods.....

Those with troubled childhoods tend to often be the worst rulers. As they are viewing their childhood problems and complexes in others and project them against others. This is a common theme about such rulers spanning from Hitler to Stalin to Mao etc. Even Saddam.

You know what, I am not sure if you are a real Turk or a Pakistani (as most Turkish users here believe) but most educated Turks online and those that I know in person and who I can talk politics with (because they are pretty much close to me politically - nationalists) are cursing him left and right.

You know why I find this particularly annoying? Because Turkey and Arab states, (in particular KSA and Egypt) should have no problems with Turkey or vice versa. If cooperating, a lot could occur (positives). But the relationship was destroyed by your Erdogan's policy and instead of speaking out you are supporting this and wondering why Arabs are critical.


Your country went from having no enemies (aside from Greece and Armenia and Kurdish terrorist groups) to making enemies left and right. All due to your Erdogan's wet and imaginary dreams of becoming some kind of Sultan of MB-ruled Arab countries.

You can talk about the West here, yes, they don't want to see a strong Turkey (but don't try to pretend or lie to me that they want to see a strong KSA, a strong Iraq and strong Egypt etc. either in the region) but that does not mean that people who share religion with you cannot criticize the foreign policies (as it relates to Arab countries) of Erdogan just because you worship him. I have noticed that you lot are almost shocked about this reaction (even though most Arabs share it) and almost are surprised that we don't hail or praise individuals or their policies, if they are harming us by large. Well, maybe some braindead Islamists in Bangladesh or I don't know where will be your likes spiritual and political lapdogs.
 
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Fair enough. However what is nowadays? 7 years ago Iraqis were killing more US/Western soldiers than anywhere else on earth. 40 years ago Arabs were destroying Western economies overnight during the oil embargo. To date only Arabs have fought against Israel. Yet all "keyboard Muslims" here are barking about Israel left and right. Where is their contribution? Nowhere to be seen.

That's not truth. There was much less "burning" in the past. In fact for large parts of history (in fact most of recorded history) the Arab world was much more peaceful than Europe next door and other regions of the world. For instance there have never been a single genocide in our part of the world aside from the savage Mongols who were eventually defeated and where never seen again. Today they live in a barren land the size of almost KSA but with 3 million people. Sandwiched between Russia and China. Totally irrelevant.

Maybe, maybe not, but when that rival helps put gasoline to the fire, we are supposed to praise them or what? Why is Qatar helping a foreign regime (that they kicked out 120 years ago after 20 years of rule in Qatar combined in all of history) who has no love lost for Arabs (you know from your time on PDF) and who would never help us similarly? More importantly why not help fellow Arabs? Could they not have helped Yemenis instead? Or maybe Syria and Iraq? Or Libya that they played an important role in to remove Gaddafi?

Well, (looking at history) I cannot object to your logic, but it's not the most practical thing to wish for in this region of all places n the world at this time and age.

Europe don't need that stuff to advance. They had their WW1 and WW2 where 100 million people died. So you are saying that 20+ Arab countries and 500 million Arabs, if regimes are united, are allowed to burn much smaller neighbors such as Iran (once again) and Turkey down? Ok.

Nowadays is the moment where those who shaped our modern societies forgot their legacy...

The Region, didn't start with Arabs. Civilisation after Civilisation, They used Death and Blood as a sacrifice to Rise or Fall.

When a society/Group/Entity feel threaten, he will adapt...Evolve... By transcending himself or Kill himself... Therefore in our Case, I believe we can surpass it, but for that, you need a life threatening entity... That's how Humans Behave... We need it, to push out the Limits that some retards in power put upon the people because of their limiting understanding and stupidity.

Qatar is like a cornered cat... Who will show off his fangs... You can't blame them...They want to survive and will do anything for that... Whatever they are right or wrong, it isn't the main subject... The main one is "How can you use such event to transcend yourself?"

as for Why X can't Help the Arabs, Well tbh, it's the same Question that every other Arab outside the Gulf states are asking... What can't the Gulf states, with all their money invest/Help their fellow Arabs around the region who are in need of a little boost? The Answer is simple... Because they don't feel the need/They don't think they should/They don't think it's their role/They don't think that having Oil/Gas is a sufficient excuse to help any other Arabs... Till, They are some benefit in it.
One Example is Tunisia per exemple... We are out of a successful revolution... and till this day..;No help...No interesting Foreign Investment... So, we are doing everything alone, with the little loan we could get, here and there... In TN, Gulf "promises" goes in one Hear and exit from the other... Like the Multibillion$ from Qatar few years ago... That never put foot in the Country... Or the MultiBillion$ from KSA/UAE... same... nothing... or the Bahreini Investment... still... nothing... and so on.
The Other Exemple is Egypt, They are a crucial partner and therefore Help will follow.
And so on...

I, personally don't like Charity... I feel it's Humiliating, I understand, sometimes when you get through a difficult moment, you wish that Brothers to help... But, most of the time it's only Words... to please the T movement...

As for your last Statement, there is one Difference btw Europe and Our Region... and many seems to forget it... Death is our beginning while for the other guys... it's an End... Therefore the Time Limit is Different.
Many may think it's Cultural or whatever... Nah... We just have different Time range when it comes to "Transformation"...
Death for the Region is a Currency... More you pay... More you will get rewarded... The amount of sacrifice is proportional to your "Evolution". A nation that gave nothing or Little... Would not go far in the ladder of History...
 
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Nowadays is the moment where those who shaped our modern societies forgot their legacy...

The Region, didn't start with Arabs. Civilisation after Civilisation, They used Death and Blood as a sacrifice to Rise or Fall.

When a society/Group/Entity feel threaten, he will adapt...Evolve... By transcending himself or Kill himself... Therefore in our Case, I believe we can surpass it, but for that, you need a life threatening entity... That's how Humans Behave... We need it, to push out the Limits that some retards in power put upon the people because of their limiting understanding and stupidity.

Qatar is like a cornered cat... Who will show off his fangs... You can't blame them...They want to survive and will do anything for that... Whatever they are right or wrong, it isn't the main subject... The main one is "How can you use such event to transcend yourself?"

as for Why X can't Help the Arabs, Well tbh, it's the same Question that every other Arab outside the Gulf states are asking... What can't the Gulf states, with all their money invest/Help their fellow Arabs around the region who are in need of a little boost? The Answer is simple... Because they don't feel the need/They don't think they should/They don't think it's their role/They don't think that having Oil/Gas is a sufficient excuse to help any other Arabs... Till, They are some benefit in it.
One Example is Tunisia per exemple... We are out of a successful revolution... and till this day..;No help...No interesting Foreign Investment... So, we are doing everything alone, with the little loan we could get, here and there... In TN, Gulf "promises" goes in one Hear and exit from the other... Like the Multibillion$ from Qatar few years ago... That never put foot in the Country... Or the MultiBillion$ from KSA/UAE... same... nothing... or the Bahreini Investment... still... nothing... and so on.
The Other Exemple is Egypt, They are a crucial partner and therefore Help will follow.
And so on...

I, personally don't like Charity... I feel it's Humiliating, I understand, sometimes when you get through a difficult moment, you wish that Brothers to help... But, most of the time it's only Words... to please the T movement...

As for your last Statement, there is one Difference btw Europe and Our Region... and many seems to forget it... Death is a beginning while for the other guys... it's a End... Therefore the Time Limit is Different.
Many may think it's Cultural or whatever... Nah... We just have different Time range when it comes to "Transformation"...
Death for the Region is a Currency... More you pay... More you will get rewarded... The amount of sacrifice is proportional to your "Evolution". A nation that gave nothing or Little... Would not go far in the ladder of History...

Yes, Arabs (as in regime) have not lived up to our glorious past. At all. For many decades. However you can say the same about all other Muslim rulers. If Muslims want to learn from others, fellow Muslims are not the people to learn from. Unless Iran should be the model? Or Afghanistan? Or even the country that this forum is about? Or Turkey's Erdogan? No need to continue.

It started with the ancestors of modern-day Arabs who were and are native people like the Arabs. There were no other. Everyone that was before from Arabia to Western Maghreb, was absorbed by us modern-day Arabs. So we are the only ones that can claim their history due to actual history, genetics etc.

Of course we can surpass this. What we see today is noting compared to what we have witnessed before. Arabs cannot be destroyed unless somebody destroys 20 + countries and kills 500 million people and one of the largest diaspora in the world that is scattered from Latin America in the West to South East Asia in the East.

It matters because survival for the sake of it is not the answer in civilized countries. That would equal to me killing brothers or people who never did me harm for the sake of enriching my interests while I do not lack anything. Qatar is that tiny country (Qatar = Al-Thani regime) who despite being blessed with tons of money (more than any other country compared to their population size) while dreaming about turning into, I don't know what.

Qatar was cornered for a reason. Because of the reasons that I stated. It was cornered after 20+ years of disruptive policies.

The Arab states of the Arabian Peninsula (GCC states, as Iraq, Jordan and Yemen are not members) have supported the Arab world economically more than any other Muslim country. It's not even close.

KSA, speaking about the Maghreb, has kept Morocco afloat for a very long time. Been the economic lifeline for Yemen, Jordan etc. Supported Iraq for 8 years at their most difficult moment. Supported Palestine more than anyone else. Supported Egypt economically for decades. Just like they supported us (Hijaz in particular) for centuries. Supported Syria in the 1980's, 1990's and early 2000's when they were sanctioned by the West. Supported even fellow GCC states when in financial trouble (Bahrain, Kuwait and Oman). List is long and that was only fellow Arab states.

Could more be done? Surely. Are the regimes in power looking for their own survival first and foremost like every regime in the Muslim world? Of course. For instance take your neighbor Algeria. A country that could, if they had a better regime, help breaded their OWN people and the neighborhood due to their resources. Yet criminally mismanaged.

Libya, during Gaddafi, despite being the richest African country per capita, Libyans were going to Tunisia for medical treatments.

Now tell me if the GCC states have done worse or better? Everyone knows that it was better. If not for the GCC (modern era) the Arab world would be in even more chaos. In particularly economically and politically.

But who did what, when or how, who could do better, is irrelevant here. We are all Arabs and we should all understand that the success of another state is our success, in particular if we take part in this success or share it either directly or indirectly. A stable region in the Arab world means a stable wider Arab region x or y and by default the entire Arab world. When large-scale protests occur in Tunisia (Arab Spring) other Arabs copy it due to linguistic, cultural, geographic, historical etc. reasons and modern-day technology (internet).

Please show me where KSA promised Tunisia billions of investments? The GCC, having their own problems and even wars to look after, cannot save the entire world, while at the same time, Muslims from Somalia to Indonesia and Pakistan, expect help as well.

You know the political reasons for that and who/which parties governed Tunisia and their worldview. Again, this is politics, in the prefect world, this should not matter and brother should help brother. You know more than most that I am all about this (if I was a ruler) so what modern-day regimes do on this front, I am very much against. The perfect example was KSA-Iraq relations (having ties to both countries) post 2003. You believe that this did not annoy me each week when I thought about it? Do you imagine how many posts I have written about this on Arab forums, social media, here on PDF and how many personal talks I have had about this? Millions of Arabs can say the same about any such relationship in the Arab world.

Look, most Maghrebis are against their regimes and complain about why more is not done to develop it. Or what is going on in Libya.....

As for your last part of your post, that was an intelligent conclusion, and after reading it, I find it hard to disagree.


BTW, people here will claim that I am anti-Turkey while my problem is with Erdogan's policies in certain Arab states and the anti-Arab Turkish hypocrites on PDF. I just don't like double standards and obvious hypocrisy. When somebody here is cursing "Gulfies" while kissing the "Gulfie" (LOL) hands of Qatar (that saves them), what to tell to such hypocrites?

Let's not label All of the Arab nations as KSA and UAE, apart from them there are many other Arab countries with dignities.

Back to idiotic one-liners after being left speechless and unable to reply to my factual posts. I thought so. 3 weeks ago you were writing that Turkey never had a problem with KSA. You are just angry that I spoke the truth. I have news for you. Most Arabs, that are not braindead Al-Than bootlickers or MB fanatics or sympathizers, agree with my views. And an anti-Arab praising Arabs. As if we don't know this comedy.

I also remember surveys from Turkey that showed that KSA was the most friendly viewed Muslim country in the Middle East after Azerbaijan (which is Caucasus).

I thought that you were anti-Erdogan and a nationalist. I must have been wrong since you are parroting Islamist propaganda and similar nonsense.

Anyway it does not matter what foreigners have to say about Arab issues. What is certain is that tiny Qatar's dirty games will be dealt with eventually and Erdogan is also soon going to become the past in Turkey. And traitors are always dealt with eventually. One way or another.
 
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Some pi$$ drinker camel in the desert claim to be cradle of civilization !

Anyway, oldest pyramids built on earth in the history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tepe_Sialk

E193794A-D2F7-443B-896F-31416BB8E6D9.jpeg
 
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Yes, Arabs (as in regime) have not lived up to our glorious past. At all. For many decades. However you can say the same about all other Muslim rulers. If Muslims want to learn from others, fellow Muslims are not the people to learn from. Unless Iran should be the model? Or Afghanistan? Or even the country that this forum is about? Or Turkey's Erdogan? No need to continue.

It started with the ancestors of modern-day Arabs who were and are native people like the Arabs. There were no other. Everyone that was before from Arabia to Western Maghreb, was absorbed by us modern-day Arabs. So we are the only ones that can claim their history due to actual history, genetics etc.

Of course we can surpass this. What we see today is noting compared to what we have witnessed before. Arabs cannot be destroyed unless somebody destroys 20 + countries and kills 500 million people and one of the largest diaspora in the world that is scattered from Latin America in the West to South East Asia in the East.

It matters because survival for the sake of it is not the answer in civilized countries. That would equal to me killing brothers or people who never did me harm for the sake of enriching my interests while I do not lack anything. Qatar is that tiny country (Qatar = Al-Thani regime) who despite being blessed with tons of money (more than any other country compared to their population size) while dreaming about turning into, I don't know what.

Qatar was cornered for a reason. Because of the reasons that I stated. It was cornered after 20+ years of disruptive policies.

The Arab states of the Arabian Peninsula (GCC states, as Iraq, Jordan and Yemen are not members) have supported the Arab world economically more than any other Muslim country. It's not even close.

KSA, speaking about the Maghreb, has kept Morocco afloat for a very long time. Been the economic lifeline for Yemen, Jordan etc. Supported Iraq for 8 years at their most difficult moment. Supported Palestine more than anyone else. Supported Egypt economically for decades. Just like they supported us (Hijaz in particular) for centuries. Supported Syria in the 1980's, 1990's and early 2000's when they were sanctioned by the West. Supported even fellow GCC states when in financial trouble (Bahrain, Kuwait and Oman). List is long and that was only fellow Arab states.

Could more be done? Surely. Are the regimes in power looking for their own survival first and foremost like every Arab regime? Of course. For instance take your neighbor Algeria. A country that could, if they had a better regime, help breaded their OWN people and the neighborhood due to their resources. Yet criminally mismanaged.

Libya, during Gaddafi, despite being the richest African country per capita, Libyans were going to Tunisia for medical treatments.

Now tell me if the GCC states have done worse or better? Everyone knows that it was better. If not for the GCC (modern era) the Arab world would be in even more chaos. In particularly economically and politically.

But who did what, when or how, who could do better, is irrelevant here. We are all Arabs and we should all understand that the success of another state is our success, in particular if we take part in this success or share it either directly or indirectly. A stable region in the Arab world means a stable wider Arab region x or y and by default the entire Arab world. When large-scale protests occur in Tunisia (Arab Spring) other Arabs copy it due to linguistic, cultural, geographic, historical etc. reasons and modern-day technology (internet).

Please show me where KSA promised Tunisia billions of investments? The GCC, having their own problems and even wars to look after, cannot save the entire world, while at the same time, Muslims from Somalia to Indonesia and Pakistan, expect help as well.

You know the political reasons for that and who/which parties governed Tunisia and their worldview. Again, this is politics, in the prefect world, this should not matter and brother should help brother. You know more than most that I am all about this (if I was a ruler) so what modern-day regimes do on this front, I am very much against. The perfect example was KSA-Iraq relations (having ties to both countries) post 2003. You believe that this did not annoy me each week when I thought about it? Do you imagine how many posts I have written about this on Arab forums, social media, here on PDF and how many personal talks I have had about this? Millions of Arabs can say the same about any such relationship in the Arab world.

Look, most Maghrebis are against their regimes and complain about why more is not done to develop it. Or what is going on in Libya.....

As for your last part of your post, that was an intelligent conclusion, and after reading it, I find it hard to disagree.

BTW, people here will claim that I am anti-Turkey while my problem is with Erdogan's policies in certain Arab states and the anti-Arab Turkish hypocrites on PDF. I just don't like double standards and obvious hypocrisy. When somebody here is cursing "Gulfies" while kissing the hands of Qatar (that saves them), what to tell to such hypocrites?

That's the Thing with the Region...No one is perfect...No one is doing his Job properly But Everyone think to be right. and Therefore no one will say "I am Wrong"... and "Evolution" is in standby mode...

Stability is good... Stability Feed you... Stability keep you in the Last line of the History page..;Stability give a mirage of "Stability"... Humans don't care about stability... They seek such thing just after a storm and When that storm pass, they will be eager to jump on the Rivalry wagon... They need it... and Evolution needs it...
Human History is everything But Stability.

The Islamic legacy wouldn't be here if they took Stability as their dear Friend... And I shall not either.
Transanding and Stability is a mirage... you either stay here or move...you can't both.

As for KSA investment: https://www.realites.com.tn/2016/11/tunisie-2020-des-promesses-qui-augurent-dune-grande-reussite/
"Une somme de 500 millions de dinars sera versée par le Fonds Saoudien de Développement, destinés à différents projets de développement en plus de 200 millions dollars pour l’amélioration des exportations de l’Arabie Saoudite vers la Tunisie."
+ 3Bil$ from Abraaj Emirati Group


As for PDF, Let's be clear... They/We are not the "Nation Opinion"... And it's part of the Game. You get to Survive/Exist and so do they.
 
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Some pi$$ drinker camel in the desert claim to be cradle of civilization !

Anyway, oldest pyramids built on earth in the history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tepe_Sialk

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Arabized donkey brain eater whose entire "civilization" was stolen and copied by our Semitic ancestors (almost everything that you call pre-Islamic "Persian", almost everything was stolen from us whether architecture, titles (kings of Kings if an ancient Semitic title used by rulers from Arabia to Syria) bureaucracy, alphabet, language (Aramaic) etc. Just a joke.

Is now barking about imaginary Pyramids (there are structures in KSA that are 10.000 old in Al-Ula and as big as some of those Ziggurats) while none where made by Iranians. Elamites were not Iranians but people in Al-Ahwaz who had close ties to much older civilizations in modern-day KSA and Iraq (Dilmun, Sumer, Magan etc.) Millenia before anyone had heard about Iranians. You cannot claim to be a steppe nomad (Andronovo) from modern-day Kazakhstan and at the same time claim Elamite heritage. Those are millennia apart. Make up your mind!

You are irrelevant. An ant compared to Arabs. Historically and today. Go compare yourself with tiny UAE, a state that has a similar economy to your 81 million nation that is made up by numerous ethnic groups, including Arabs. Better, go worship the Arab Mullah's that rule your impoverished entity.

BTW this is your imaginary Ziggurat.:lol:



Some dump.

Compare with what Arabs have this is a joke.

And why don't you **** off Arabized donkey? You are irrelevant in this thread. Nobody cares about your failed entity that has nothing on us expect pollution and being a failed sanctioned entity.


You live and earn your living in an Arab country (UAE) that neighbors KSA. Go educate yourself. Google can help you.
 
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Arabized donkey brain eater whose entire "civilization" was stolen by our Semitic ancestors, is now barking about imaginary Pyramids (there are structures in KSA that are 10.000 old in Al-Ula and as big as some of those Ziggurats) while none where made by Iranians. Elamites were not Iranians but people in Al-Ahwaz who had close ties to much older civilizations in modern-day KSA and Iraq (Dilmun, Sumer, Magan etc.)

You are irrelevant. An ant compared to Arabs. Historically and today. Go compare yourself with tiny UAE, a state that has a similar economy to your 81 million nation that is made up by numerous ethnic groups, including Arabs. Better, go worship the Arab Mullah's that rule your impoverished entity.
Donkey, when Iranians built those
structures you were drinking each other’s piss.

Or sucking up some ancient camel.

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But Yeah, you are cradle of piss drinking and sucking up camels for the first time. Credit goes to you.
 
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