NATO units set for Lithuania and five other eastern member states

[flamer84]

Never saw him before, gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Now go do that IQ test. I wanna know your score, mr moron-who-cant-even-stay-ontopic.. :p

On topic: I bet you had/have a granddad who was jumping with joy somewhere in Rotterdam back than in 1938 when Czechoslovakia was sacrificed for "peace".Ofc,2 years later he was probably crying when ze Jermans visited.

Now,with that huge IQ of yours you could open a history book and see how good apeasement worked out.

 

[PeaceGen]

On topic: I bet you had/have a granddad who was jumping with joy somewhere in Rotterdam back than in 1938 when Czechoslovakia was sacrificed for "peace".Ofc,2 years later he was probably crying when ze Jermans visited.

Now,with that huge IQ of yours you could open a history book and see how good apeasement worked out.

I wouldn't call my proposed borders for EU and NATO (no Latvia and neighbors, no Ukraine) appeasement.

 

[flamer84]

I wouldn't call my proposed borders for EU and NATO (no Latvia and neighbors, no Ukraine) appeasement.

Ofcourse,it will also be called betrayal seeing that Latvia is allready in the EU/NATO and the people of Ukraine were led to believe that the West stands behind their freedom aspirations.

 

[PeaceGen]

Ofcourse,it will also be called betrayal seeing that Latvia is allready in the EU/NATO and the people of Ukraine were led to believe that the West stands behind their freedom aspirations.

Well it's time to come clean about our western lies to these people then ain't it? Probably overdue even.

 

[flamer84]

Well it's time to come clean about our western lies to these people then ain't it? Probably overdue even.

Not really,those aren't lies when Latvia is allready in.It would be much simpler to root out the traitors who advocate surrender...like you.

 

[PeaceGen]

Not really,those aren't lies when Latvia is allready in.It would be much simpler to root out the traitors who advocate surrender...like you.

What's simple is peacefully handing over those countries to Russia's EEU, with the possibility of them also having friendly ties to the EU.

You continue to call me a traitor for advocating *reasonable borders* for the EU and NATO, and you're even calling for my death in public, or aren't you?

 

[flamer84]

What's simple is peacefully handing over those countries to Russia's EEU, with the possibility of them also having friendly ties to the EU.

You continue to call me a traitor for advocating *reasonable borders* for the EU and NATO, and you're even calling for my death in public, or aren't you?

You're advocating giving millions "away to Russia".Do you know how many Balts were slaughtered by the Russians ? Do you know that their country's ethnic composition was changed by bringing Russian colonists in their lands in cattle wagons while the natives were purged ? The same in Moldova.My grandparents escaped by running to Romania in 1940.

And you're now saying that they should relive this trauma all over again over some idiotic ideea of so called peace you had.You think that in the face of such situation when you're calling for millions of native fellow Europeans to be traded like cattle i care for you ? Ofcourse you need to be silenced .You've got some nerve there traitor,whining about being threathened while you want to eliminate millions.You're nothing but a far left mass murderer just like Stalin ..

The only nutjob in here is you.

I'm pretty sure you don't even know where Latvia is on the map nor its history or its geopolitic situation.Leftists idiots like you only know to corrupt Western societies from within while the outside world only becomes stronger.Why the hell isn't Russia or the rest of the world disarming like what you're asking from Europe.How the hell will our way of life be defended if your lowly ilk got its ways and we would be disarmed ? You have no answers for this,you only have fairy tales and a Che Guevara poster.

 

[PeaceGen]

You're advocating giving millions "away to Russia".Do you know how many Balts were slaughtered by the Russians ? Do you know that their country's ethnic composition was changed by bringing Russian colonists in their lands in cattle wagons while the natives were purged ? The same in Moldova.My grandparents escaped by running to Romania in 1940.

And you're now saying that they should relive this trauma all over again over some idiotic ideea of so called peace you had.You think that in the face of such situation when you're calling for millions of native fellow Europeans to be traded like cattle i care for you ? Ofcourse you need to be silenced .You've got some nerve there traitor,whining about being threathened while you want to eliminate millions.You're nothing but a far left mass murderer just like Stalin ..

The only nutjob in here is you.

I'm pretty sure you don't even know where Latvia is on the map nor its history or its geopolitic situation.Leftists idiots like you only know to corrupt Western societies from within while the outside world only becomes stronger.Why the hell isn't Russia or the rest of the world disarming like what you're asking from Europe.How the hell will our way of life be defended if your lowly ilk got its ways and we would be disarmed ? You have no answers for this,you only have fairy tales and a Che Guevara poster.

Well well, it seems *you* have adopted the very methods that forced your parents to move to Romania, those of oppression and the desire to kill political opponents.
If you're going to defend freedom as you claim you want, you might want to start by respecting freedom of speech and debate. Calling for your debate opponent's death is a no-no. Fortunately i have zero reason to fear you.

And where did i say I wanted NATO or the EU or the US to "be weak" as you claim and think that I do?
I never did. I advocate a reasonable defense budget (one that doesnt steal from education or healthcare or elderly care, as we see happening in western europe since the start of the war on terror), and a reasonable foreign policy.

You in your hatred and fear of Russia, claim that the new EEU of today's Russian leaders is going to be as bad as the Soviet's worst days. I claim that results of the past do not indicate what the future will bring, and that this EEU should be given a fair chance to work peacefully and even semi-democratically. So your claim of me handing over "millions to tyranny" is total bullshit dude, you're more of a tyrrant yourself than i ever saw from Putin and his leadership.

 

[flamer84]

Well well, it seems *you* have adopted the very methods that forced your parents to move to Romania, those of oppression and the desire to kill political opponents.
If you're going to defend freedom as you claim you want, you might want to start by respecting freedom of speech and debate. Calling for your debate opponent's death is a no-no. Fortunately i have zero reason to fear you.

And where did i say I wanted NATO or the EU or the US to "be weak" as you claim and think that I do?
I never did. I advocate a reasonable defense budget (one that doesnt steal from education or healthcare or elderly care, as we see happening in western europe since the start of the war on terror), and a reasonable foreign policy.

You in your hatred and fear of Russia, claim that the new EEU of today's Russian leaders is going to be as bad as the Soviet's worst days. I claim that results of the past do not indicate what the future will bring, and that this EEU should be given a fair chance to work peacefully and even semi-democratically. So your claim of me handing over "millions to tyranny" is total bullshit dude, you're more of a tyrrant yourself than i ever saw from Putin and his leadership.

Listen idiot,i know you're stupid and all but never presume to know why my grandparents fled to Romania.Shove your fairy tales up where the sun don't shine,they've fled because their land was invaded by the Red hordes who butchered and took Romanians to Siberia.Their plight is not to be triffled by a retard 70 years later.You know 0,you are 0.

Yes,the EEU should work peacefully but how peacefull is to give them nations that don't want to be associated with them ? You moron ,you're even contradicting your own theory !

Putin is silencing dissent,imprisoning journalists,political oponents and an idiot like you sees him as a benevolent leader.I say your kind should go to Moscow and live there,leave the Europeans who want to be here,like the Baltic states,to stay .They'll stay anyway,nobody takes your retarded "proposals" seriously anyway.

 

[PeaceGen]

Listen idiot,i know you're stupid and all but never presume to know why my grandparents fled to Romania.Shove your fairy tales up where the sun don't shine,they've fled because their land was invaded by the Red hordes who butchered and took Romanians to Siberia.Their plight is not to be triffled by a retard 70 years later.You know 0,you are 0.

Yes,the EEU should work peacefully but how peacefull is to give them nations that don't want to be associated with them ? You moron ,you're even contradicting your own theory !

Let me teach you a valuable lesson about democratic debate.
When you want to deny a claim i made (that the votes in those nations - Latvia and neighbors + Ukraine, have been manipulated for years by US and EU influences) - you should ask me to provide evidence. Not continue the debate as if i never made such a claim.

Putin is silencing dissent,imprisoning journalists,political oponents and an idiot like you sees him as a benevolent leader.I say your kind should go to Moscow and live there,leave the Europeans who want to be here,like the Baltic states,to stay .They'll stay anyway,nobody takes your retarded "proposals" seriously anyway.

I'm fine exactly where I am dude.

As for Putin imprisoning journalists and political opponents, that is not our way I agree. Most of the imprisoned tried to mock Putin in massmedia, more severely than western politicians are ever mocked by our media (over here we just fire the journalist and make sure he/she can never work in media again - which to a person with a family could be worse than jailtime)..
The state leaders will always try to stay in power, they call it "securing the stability of the state" - and given how those who resort to mocking and lying about leaders are worse leaders than the ones securing that stability of state - there's significant merit in the logic of "securing the stability of the state".

 

[flamer84]

Let me teach you a valuable lesson about democratic debate.
When you want to deny a claim i made (that the votes in those nations - Latvia and neighbors + Ukraine, have been manipulated for years by US and EU influences) - you should ask me to provide evidence. Not continue the debate as if i never made such a claim.



I'm fine exactly where I am dude.

As for Putin imprisoning journalists and political opponents, that is not our way I agree. Most of the imprisoned tried to mock Putin in massmedia, more severely than western politicians are ever mocked by our media (over here we just fire the journalist and make sure he/she can never work in media again - which to a person with a family could be worse than jailtime)..
The state leaders will always try to stay in power, they call it "securing the stability of the state" - and given how those who resort to mocking and lying about leaders are worse leaders than the ones securing that stability of state - there's significant merit in the logic of "securing the stability of the state".

In another thread about Kashmir you're arguing for a referendum to decide to whome it belongs while in here you're arguing for "nations to be simply be given away" on the pretext that they're "brainwashed" but an idiot like you knows better.

So,not only that you're an idiot,you don't know basic history,you're a traitor but you're also a DOUBLE FACED HYPOCRITE arguing for 2 kinds of solutions to the same problem.Oh,how easy is for a leftist nutjob to sell into slavery his fellow Europeans while asking democratic solutions for others.

Well,tough luck for you weirdo,you don't decide the faith of Europeans but your attitude will be dully noted for future reference.

 

[PeaceGen]

In another thread about Kashmir you're arguing for a referendum to decide to whome it belongs while in here you're arguing for "nations to be simply be given away" on the pretext that they're "brainwashed" but an idiot like you knows better.

So,not only that you're an idiot,you don't know basic history,you're a traitor but you're also a DOUBLE FACED HYPOCRITE arguing for 2 kinds of solutions to the same problem.Oh,how easy is for a leftist nutjob to sell into slavery his fellow Europeans while asking democratic solutions for others.

Well,tough luck for you weirdo,you don't decide the faith of Europeans but your attitude will be dully noted for future reference.

You simply won't ask for the evidence to my claim of E-European votes being manipulated then eh? Continue the debate as if i never made such a claim, and basing your "DOUBLE FACED HYPOCRITE" label on that..?

I hope the average reader on defence.pk has more common sense than you.

 

[flamer84]

You simply won't ask for the evidence to my claim of E-European votes being manipulated then eh? Continue the debate as if i never made such a claim, and basing your "DOUBLE FACED HYPOCRITE" label on that..?

I hope the average reader on defence.pk has more common sense than you.

You could just present it anyway you know .Just for laughs.

 

[PeaceGen]

You could just present it anyway you know .Just for laughs.

For laughs? Where would you see our debate continuing after I do prove it? You did state your entire rant about how those disputed nations should be "protected" by NATO, AND that i'm a traitor worthy for the gallows treatment, based on this you know.. Take some responsibility for your words. It's that free-democratic way you claim you value so much.

 

[flamer84]

For laughs? Where would you see our debate continuing after I do prove it? You did state your entire rant about how those disputed nations should be "protected" by NATO, AND that i'm a traitor worthy for the gallows treatment, based on this you know.. Take some responsibility for your words. It's that free-democratic way you claim you value so much.

Ok,enough with the chit chat,i grow tired of you.Present the "evidence".