NATO Shifts Supply Lines Away From Pakistan To Central Asia

[Green Bullet]

Thats not what US (atleast as per most of the media news) believes.

Why do we care what America thinks, because they are not the law in this world, the media is run by them so I would hardly call that substantial evidence.

It thinks ISI had been responsible for warning off key targets and has been supporting the Taliban secretly.

When one day China will overtake America as an economic power and superpower, will you believe what ever it says. The American Army is useless it couldn't even eliminate Bin Laden, its all talk no action, in fact in Afghanistan they don't even venture out to face the Taliban, but stay in there cozy little bases. These are just statements coming out from America they don't have no proof that ISI, is supporting the Taliban. Those who do are retired agents, but then again every country has that, America with Raymond Davis and India's samjhuta train blast that were done by soilders. So I think you need to look at your self before pointing fingers at Pakistan.

 

[2012]

NATO Shifts Supply Lines Away From Pakistan To Central Asia

Wonderfull news..

 

[SMC]

And what is Pakistan doing in WoT (afghanistan) ??

Now you're making a diversion since your point was shown to be not true.

 

[foxbat]

[/COLOR]

What appears in media is (most often) not the reality. In wars media is for propaganda, psychological warfare and pressure, distortion of truth and to make your own people believe that "we are winning" so that they continue to support you (remember vietnam !!!). Therefore, media is not a benchmark to assess the policies and objectives.

Your 2nd point is that right or wrong this is the conclusion they are coming to. Again, we all know that when a power like US "wants to come to a conclusion" then there is a "reason" behind it. For example in 2003 they "wanted to come to conclusion that attacking Iraq is the right thing"; so they created every arguement and twisted every fact to achieve what they wanted to achieve (even that Colin Powell presented false evidence in UN). Therefore, what we NOT need to think is that what conclusion US is coming to but WHY they want to come to this conclusion, WHAT is their objective ?

And thats exactly what I tried to say. That it seems (since I have no inside track to information), that USA is coming to the conclusion that partnership with Pakistan on Afghanistan has more downside than upside. May be they want to find a scrape goat.. Or may be they have some info which neither of us has. But thats not important. What is important is what are they gonna do once they convince themselves and their citizens enough about this..

 

[foxbat]

Why do we care what America thinks, because they are not the law in this world, the media is run by them so I would hardly call that substantial evidence.



When one day China will overtake America as an economic power and superpower, will you believe what ever it says. The American Army is useless it couldn't even eliminate Bin Laden, its all talk no action, in fact in Afghanistan they don't even venture out to face the Taliban, but stay in there cozy little bases. These are just statements coming out from America they don't have no proof that ISI, is supporting the Taliban. Those who do are retired agents, but then again every country has that, America with Raymond Davis and India's samjhuta train blast that were done by soilders. So I think you need to look at your self before pointing fingers at Pakistan.

Mate, this is not a court case. Pakistan is not on trial (though it may seem so). What USA believes will just dictate their behavior in the subcontinent. If they feel one strategy is not working, they dont need to give proof to anyone (except their own establishment) to change the strategy..

 

[foxbat]

Now you're making a diversion since your point was shown to be not true.

Ah! the diversion bogey again

You claimed problems in Pak due to WOT
I said what is Pak's role in WOT to cause those problems (for Pakistan)..

Where is the diversion??

 

[BATMAN]

So if Pak government stops NATO supplies from passing through its soil, this means even the last excuse of fencing the borders for EVERY country's government is invalid. In this case, what happens to the borders now????

Hello.......
Pak govt. is not doing any such thing.
We have offered our roads for last 10 years without charge, why would our govt. suddenly change a solid policy?

Apparently, changing supply route is NATO's dream and far from facts on ground and every one has right for ambitious dreams.

Neither our govt. is fencing any border and these are your personal dreams.. perhaps.

I advise both, you & NATO to share dreams on www.dreams.na

 

[Watani]

^ I failed to understand you? Are you saying that fencing borders is OUR dream, or YOURS? Please elaborate?

 

[BATMAN]

^ I failed to understand you? Are you saying that fencing borders is OUR dream, or YOURS? Please elaborate?

It is our dream! which you gladly mentioned in your post.

While I'm glad to see you understood the remaining part.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

The only problem one finds with the US being forced to reconsider its supply routes is that they control the international financial agencies.

Finance secretary Salman Sadiq has said that the foreign debt of the country is reaching Rs9 trillion and the interest of this debt is being paid with the new loans.
Pakistan’s foreign debt reaching Rs9 trillion – The Express Tribune

Now if Pakistan has such a huge foreign debt and it requires new loans just to pay the interest, then it looks like a debt trap.

The manner in which the US operates, it will not be surprising if the US uses it as a tool to extract their pound of flesh.

The silver lining is that the Pakistan’s Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Hina Rabbani Khar has gone to get Saudi assistance to help with the Pakistan National Budget
Pakistani minister to hold key talks with Saudi officials - Arab News

That will go to reduce the financial burden, even though it may not solve the issue of the foreign debt and service it.

Realistically analysing, it is a tricky situation and one wonders if any party including Imran Khan can really browbeat the US into accepting the terms.

Like it or not the Northern route is expensive for the Americans and they will also have to give concessions to the Russians and that is something they would not like to do.

Hence, whatever be the case, the Pakistan route is the best for them and they will use every trick in the book to ensure that it is not disrupted indefinitely.

But then who knows?

 

[SMC]

Ah! the diversion bogey again

You claimed problems in Pak due to WOT
I said what is Pak's role in WOT to cause those problems (for Pakistan)..

Where is the diversion??

Well your point was not clear, I assume you were talking about how Pakistan was handling the WoT.

Pakistan had nothing to do with starting WoT. 9/11 was not carried out by Pakistan or any Pakistani. Al Qaeda was an American product.

 

[Respect4Respect01]

Yes it is!! ..you very well can not stop fighting..as it is your war now!!..as soon as you lessen the pressure on Taliban by stopping operations , these guys will be back in your cities and you will back in your 2008 situation.

if taliban or whoever can get to usa once, then they can get there second time too

 

[Sher Malang]

So the yakees are now pressing the right nerve.

 

[ice_man]

NATO Shifts Supply Lines Away From Pakistan To Central Asia

Wonderfull news..

yes wonderful time that our political leadership got a backbone! trust me USA cannot start a fight all around the world from libya to pakistan! now let them do their own work for once!! we are on the front line and sacrificing our blood only to hear "DO MORE"

 

[hembo]

Is this related somehow? If it is, not a good omen.

US to use Afghanistan as base of drone attacks in Pakistan
PTI | 02:04 PM,Apr 30,2011
Washington, Apr 30 (PTI) US is shifting its terror-killer drones from Pakistan to Afghanistan after Islamabad asked it to shut down UAV bases on its territory, but America has vowed to continue hitting militants based in Pakistan's tribal areas. Pakistan has asked CIA to remove its personnel from the Shamsi airbase, about 350 kms southwest of Baluchistan's capital Quetta, where some of the drones are based, 'New York Times' reported quoting senior American officials. "The withdrawal has not occurred but is expected soon," the official said adding that the drone attacks would then be flown out of Afghanistan where some of them are already based. But even after shifting, the Predators and Reapers, top US military commander, Admiral Mike Mullen, in a private meeting in Islamabad last week told Pakistan's powerful army chief Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani that CIA would not reduce the drone strikes until Pakistan launched a military operation against the Haqqani network in North Waziristan. As tensions mount between the two nations, 'The Times' said the appointment of General David H Petraeus as America's top spy chief could further inflame relations as Pakistan military does not regard him as a "friend". The usually secretive Kayani, has made little secret of his distaste for Petraeus, calling him a political general. Petraeus has privately expressed outrage at what American officials say is the Pakistani main spy agency's most blatant support yet for fighters based in Pakistan who are carrying out attacks against American troops in Afghanistan. Repairing the frayed ties between the CIA and Pakistan's military-run agency, ISI, will be difficult, American officials say. "In its current form, the relationship is almost unworkable," said Dennis C Blair, a former American director of national intelligence. "There has to be a major restructuring. The ISI jams the CIA all it wants and pays no penalties." .