NATO official: Turkey faces ‘consequences’ if purchase of S-400 completed

[Mr.Department]

Germany is urging for an EU Army, cause they know it for sure.

 

[takeitwithyou]

That will be big loss for NATO.

You should be happy, they will be free to join the Muslim NATO.

Turkey has become an Islamist nation under its present leadership, plus he is slowly turning it into a dictatorship. No space and need to be in NATO.

 

[Mr.Department]

statement against Turkey

Low level member from Slovakia. Like the US Colonel who announced ceasefire between the Pesh and Iraq. Ridiculous.

You should be happy, they will be free to join the Muslim NATO.

Turkey has become an Islamist nation under its present leadership, plus he is slowly turning it into a dictatorship. No space and need to be in NATO.

Nice try

 

[Pax Ottomana]

Low level member from Slovakia. Like the US Colonel who announced ceasefire between the Pesh and Iraq. Ridiculous.

Sounds like it's Slovakia's turn to have a go at the Jewmerican kawks this month. Yeah, makes sense.

 

[xenon54 out]

You should be happy, they will be free to join the Muslim NATO.

Turkey has become an Islamist nation under its present leadership, plus he is slowly turning it into a dictatorship. No space and need to be in NATO.

Turkeys laws are even more secular than American ones, this is nothing that i claim, you can read about it all you need is google.

 

[takeitwithyou]

Turkeys laws are even more secular than American ones, this is nothing that i claim, you can read about it all you need is google.

It's going down an Islamist trajectory- your opposition and free press is being killed and jailed in numbers or when Parliament Speaker Ismail Kahraman unexpectedly sparked controversy in Turkey when on April 25 he declared that Turkey’s new constitution should forgo mention of “secularism”and instead be a “religious constitution” referencing God

 

[xenon54 out]

It's going down an Islamist trajectory- your opposition and free press is being killed and jailed in numbers or when Parliament Speaker Ismail Kahraman unexpectedly sparked controversy in Turkey when on April 25 he declared that Turkey’s new constitution should forgo mention of “secularism”and instead be a “religious constitution” referencing God

What politicians say does not matter, we heard this for the past 15 years, apart from the fact that Turkey has a constitution that bans religious laws, no politician that wants to win votes in Turkey would introduce religious laws.

 

[neosinan]

I do not understand this. Turkey shots down a Russian plane and killed the Pilot and then Russia and Turkey becomes best friends?

First NATO didn't give any support after That incident. Secondly After that US tried to overthrow Elected president and Parliament of Turkey, Erdogan had no choice but to accepted some Russian and Iranian policies in Middle East. Or He could retreat from Syria and Iraq. And He decided to stand against the US with them. Enemy of my enemy is my friend.

It's going down an Islamist trajectory- your opposition and free press is being killed and jailed in numbers or when Parliament Speaker Ismail Kahraman unexpectedly sparked controversy in Turkey when on April 25 he declared that Turkey’s new constitution should forgo mention of “secularism”and instead be a “religious constitution” referencing God

You have no idea what you are talking about. Turkey is neither becoming more religious like US media tells nor it's too western like Many Arab says. Puppet governments was too Secular to a degree to ban of Quran in the past We are trying to find a balance somewhere in between. There is always some people who ask for extremes on both side of political spectrum.

This is from the article you shared;

“My views are known on this ... The reality is that the state should have an equal distance from all religious faiths ... This is laicism,” Erdogan said in televised comments...

Turkey still has nude beaches and Brothels, There is more unmarried couples living together than past, Erdogan's party recognized some LGBT rights. This isnt Islamic trajectory based on my understanding of Sharia. And I know This is far from what media tells in West.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

This image @xenon54 posted should've settled Western media's "Turkey is becoming more islamist" argument once and for all but it won't because it's all they've got to attack Turkey with. Like @neosinan pointed out there are nude beaches and government-run brothels in Turkey. You can't find a brother in the US because they're illegal due to "Christian values". And Turkey is the one that's being too religious? LOL. Give me a break! The next time FoxNews calls Erdogan an islamist dictator someone needs to slap some facts in their face.

 

[Mr.Department]

Scandal in Germany German Professor at Würzburg EDU refused to teach a Turkish student with a headscarf

 

[Pax Ottomana]

Germany is urging for an EU Army, cause they know it for sure.

Well. Things haven't been the same ever since Angela Merkel found out that the CIA/NSA have been spying on the Germans. Whistle blowers do make marks in global politics afterall. Germany is pitching the creation of an EU Army because:

1. Their trust in NATO (read "USA") is even less than that of Turkey's, even though they like to pretend otherwise. They know that NATO is more of a US political tool now than an actual military alliance. They don't want to leave the defense of the "Vaterland" to the US & its puppets.
2. They want to make $$$ selling new weapons and creation of an EU Army will provide great opportunities for many German companies.
3. Germany's nation defense capabilities will strengthen as a result.
4. Germany will reassure and calm the nerves of smaller EU countries that the bloc is "okay" following the departure of the UK. The EU Army will safeguard their security like the Eurozone is safeguarding their economy. They will propose using the EU Army to smash down regional separatist movements like Catalonia, Basque, etc.
5. Additional safety net against Russian adventures in Eastern Europe.

 

[Mr.Department]

Well. Things haven't been the same ever since Angela Merkel found out that the CIA/NSA have been spying on the Germans. Whistle blowers do make marks in global politics afterall. Germany is pitching the creation of an EU Army because:

1. Their trust in NATO (read "USA") is even less than that of Turkey's, even though they like to pretend otherwise. They know that NATO is more of a US political tool now than an actual military alliance. They don't want to leave the defense of the "Vaterland" to the US & its puppets.
2. They want to make $$$ selling new weapons and creation of an EU Army will provide great opportunities for many German companies.
3. Germany's nation defense capabilities will strengthen as a result.
4. Germany will reassure and calm the nerves of smaller EU countries that the bloc is "okay" following the departure of the UK. The EU Army will safeguard their security like the Eurozone is safeguarding their economy. They will propose using the EU Army to smash down regional separatist movements like Catalonia, Basque, etc.
5. Additional safety net against Russian adventures in Eastern Europe.

Agreed. But German Deep State exists and is not under control of Mama Merkel

 

[Pax Ottomana]

Agreed. But German Deep State exists and is not under control of Mama Merkel

Doesn't matter. German deep state is just as nationalistic as Merkel. For the most part they share her worries regarding the US.

 

[era_shield]

Doesn't matter. German deep state is just as nationalistic as Merkel. For the most part they share her worries regarding the US.

German intelligence is heavily infiltrated by Russian agents or Soviet ideologues. There's a saying that if the BND learns something at breakfast, by lunchtime the FSB knows it too. Shouldn't surprise anyone given Germany's recent history. I suspect many anti-Immigrant/Muslim/Turk leaks that come from an "anonymous intelligence official" are from Russian double-agents trying to inflame tensions. The Russian campaign to weaken Europe by this means is working very well (they created the huge refugee flows with their bombing campaign in Syria), and many European politicians (especially in East Europe - which has more Russian influence) are actually making it worse by feeding off of it.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

German intelligence is heavily infiltrated by Russian agents or Soviet ideologues. There's a saying that if the BND learns something at breakfast, by lunchtime the FSB knows it too. Shouldn't surprise anyone given Germany's recent history. I suspect many anti-Immigrant/Muslim/Turk leaks that come from an "anonymous intelligence official" are from Russian double-agents trying to inflame tensions. The Russian campaign to weaken Europe by this means is working very well (they created the huge refugee flows with their bombing campaign in Syria), and many European politicians (especially in East Europe - which has more Russian influence) are actually making it worse by feeding off of it.

No need for the Russians to instigate hatred of Turks/Immigrants/Muslims in Europe. European leaders already excel at that.