NATO official: Turkey faces ‘consequences’ if purchase of S-400 completed

[kartal1]

What help are you talking about,the outdated expensive junk we got from the US and Europe to be used as cannon fodder in case of a war against the USSR?
We dont need help,its the openly backstabbing in geo-politics what bothers Turks,the CIA or Pentagon used to do it in secret so that the average Turk wouldnt know but as you can see,they openly side with our enemies which makes it easier for us to make other choices then the ''West'',Harry Obama started it and Forrest Trumpy is just trying to ''go with the flow''.
The US(CIA or Pentagon) thinks that it can mend ties again in the future but those days are over,ties will never be the same again,we stand on opposite sides in Syria,on Iran,on Pakistan,on Russia and most likely on China.
Why do you think the US aproved the upgrades of 123 Greek F-16s to Viper level(and probably some F-35 as a gift but officially they will make it look like Greece paid for them),a country that cant afford it?
The US is making wrong choices and losing valuable allies.

So much truth there!

 

[T-123456]

So much truth there!

Dont forget,as long as they need us,we are the good guys but the minute they dont,we are the enemy.

 

[cloud4000]

When Greece bought the s300 there was no issue. See how the Whiteman speaks with two tongues

Greece bought its S-300 in 1999 before Putin. That Russia was different from the Russia of today.

NATO would never kick Turkey out, the geopolitical interests are just way too important, kicking Turkey out would be a major security threat for Europe and US, but US might continue to try to replace the goverment with a more western friendly one, some of the options have been used in the past but failed recently.

Perhaps the issue is just with Erdogan and not the Turkish military, who have good relations with both NATO and US.

Turkey started looking for missile defense systems(domestic and foreign) after the US, Germany, and the Netherlands declined to renew their Patriot missile deployments in southern Turkey. S400 purchase is the result of that.

If NATO has a falling out with Turkey just bcuz Turkey bought S400 that's NATO's loss. Turkey has a strong military that's much needed by NATO...and in any case NATO will find it better to have Turkey with them as compared to the possibility of Turkey being in some other camp. The denial of that Patriot missile system renewal, delaying Turkey's EU bid, refusing Turkey the option of having its pilots trained by Pak, etc...all of this just goes to show the different manner in which Turkey is treated as compared to other NATO members/European countries.

As for this purchase of S400...Turkey should go on and purchase it. NATO wouldn't like that for sure but they will be helpless to do anything about it. A strong message needs to be sent from Turkey to NATO and the EU. They need to understand that Turkey is fine with or without them...they can't bend Turkey to their will.

The deployment of Patriot systems in Turkey was always a temporary measure. If Turkey wanted to permanently base there, they can purchase the system. As a NATO ally, it can buy it rather easily.

As for Turkey being a key NATO asset...can you say this now in a post-coup Turkish military, where thousands of experienced military personnel were purged. It's going to take some time to rebuild it to pre-coup levels.

Largley against Russia, but still a defense alliance in general. So all your arguments dont have much weight, its not some politicial or economical union. Countries are still soverign and will do what is in their interest.

NATO is primarily a defense alliance, but it has a foreign policy component too. Article 5 of the NATO Charter is very important here: an attack on one member is an attack on all. Given that Russia is the biggest threat to NATO members, especially those that border Russia, will Turkey be there if needed. What do other NATO members think when one of its members buys defense equipment from a country that is also an existential threat?

And who is going to do that in what dream fantasy?
Or is it that you want in but cant because of Turkish veto concerns?
Let me get you out of your dream fantasy,Turkiye stays in and you will never get in.

You must have comprehension issues. Who ever said anything about India joining NATO. India has no interest in joining such a pointless grouping, which sounds like a collective suicide pact. I was talking from a US perspective.

 

[era_shield]

What do other NATO members think when one of its members buys defense equipment from a country that is also an existential threat?

Not much apparently, since Greece did this 2 decades ago and no one complained, and recently Cyprus (a Greek proxy) signed a deal with Russia allowing the Russian Navy to use its ports and I don't see Greece being kicked out of NATO. All this whining about Turkey by the West is nothing but hypocrisy and BS. The reality is that Germany has been openly supporting terrorists which attack Turkey and now Turkey is doing what's in Turkey's best interests and telling the West "enough".

 

[War Thunder]

Turkey will buckle and cancel the deal....
....It was only meant for bargaining ...

Turks are not indians...

Now you will teach India, international politics ??? The same India who is expert dealing with both Russia and USA, Saudi Arabia and Iran etc.

We have long mastered the art of taming and keeping both the wolf and sheep in same cage, yet reap benefit from both.

Yeah she is such an amazing expert that she keeps getting milked by Russians and USA and every one else for whatever money she has to offer, and she thinks she is the one playing them...
And tamming...the fat cow is talking about tamming...

That sorry state of delusion ...

 

[Tom M]

Turks are not indians...




Yeah she is such an amazing expert that she keeps getting milked by Russians and USA and every one else for whatever money she has to offer, and she thinks she is the one playing them...
And tamming...the fat cow is talking about tamming...

That sorry state of delusion ...

Oh yeah, delusion huh ?????

Maybe you are right. Indian diplomacy is too weak that everyone is making use of us. Our sovereignty, territorial integrity above all our economy is in really bad shape.

Look who is talking about whom ??? LOL

We were never part of any bloc, but still we have benefited for every bloc out there. We do business with all of them, they even twist and change rules, the same rules made specifically on our behalf of us so that they could accommodate us (Civil Nuclear deal), even your all weather friend was part to that. If this is not taming then what is ?????? LOL

 

[volatile]

Hi In my view keep the Indian saying these days they have nothing but to cry on internet , One has to undersrtand the role of Turkey in Nato and then makes such assessment , real question is Nato requires Turkey more or Turkey requires Nato I think former one carries more weight .

Turkey’s membership in NATO is crucial as a matter of realpolitik and the weight it provides for the balance of military power.

Under NATO’s nuclear burden-sharing agreement, Turkey hosts tactical nuclear weapons. This provides a bargaining chip to pressure Moscow to be more transparent about, and to reduce, its menacing non-strategic nuclear stocks. These tactical nuclear weapons also provide a deterrent against burgeoning chemical and biological warfare capacities of non-state actors in the Middle East.

After the 2010 Lisbon Summit, Turkey agreed to host the crucial X-band radar in support of NATO’s ballistic missile defense efforts. The radar, which provides immediate data if there is a ballistic missile threat, has become a primary asset of the NATO missile defense network’s sensor capabilities. This has become especially important since Iran managed to keep its growing ballistic missile capabilities out of its nuclear deal with the West.

Turkey has also volunteered to be one of the key nations in what is the spearhead of the alliance’s force, the Very High Readiness Joint Task Force. The force, ready for deployment at very short notice, is the heart of NATO’s strategic vision of confronting threats. Given the Turkish armed forces’ elite special operations units, their expertise in low intensity conflicts, and their key role in the NATO response structure, Turkey’s contribution to the task force would be invaluable. This is augmented by the NATO Center of Excellence-Defense Against Terrorism in Ankara.

By helping head off possible threats from Russia, and confronting militants to its south, Turkey’s military is a vital element of NATO defenses. NATO needs Turkey.

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordeba...ng-in-nato/turkey-is-vital-to-nato-militarily

Mashallah our Turk brothers have played there cards very well S400/S500 what ever system comes it will come ,Secondly Turkeys role in F 35 program is more than a buyer but a developer so Lockheed Martin or US will be very worried if they loose a customer like Turkey since they have money / Technical expertise and now growing ties with Russians and on the last note Pak 5th Gen program unlike Nuke program will be shared with all muslim brotherly countries and for Turkey well its there own program like TAI / TFX are Pakistani ones .

Doing proxies in Afghanistan and controlling the Govt which is only limited to bunkers is India's only key achievements other than that in simple words STFU .

 

[War Thunder]

Oh yeah, delusion huh ?????

Maybe you are right. Indian diplomacy is too weak that everyone is making use of us. Our sovereignty, territorial integrity above all our economy is in really bad shape.

Look who is talking about whom ??? LOL

We were never part of any bloc, but still we have benefited for every bloc out there. We do business with all of them, they even twist and change rules, the same rules made specifically on our behalf of us so that they could accommodate us (Civil Nuclear deal), even your all weather friend was part to that. If this is not taming then what is ?????? LOL

That's the problem
When you are part of the delusion then you can't figure its a delusion till you're out
And while in the delusion, all looks so good and normal

so wait till you're out mate
for now your delusional leadership keeps making even more delusionals out of your country folk by hiding what happened in Kargil phase I in 1991 and 1992. Then Surgical strikes bullshit and what not.

 

[war&peace]

Greece bought its S-300 in 1999 before Putin. That Russia was different from the Russia of today.

I don't remember USA ever declaring Russia its friend. Was it geographically, linguistically or culturally different?because USSR broke apart in 1989 like a decade before 1999.

 

[Tom M]

That's the problem
When you are part of the delusion then you can't figure its a delusion till you're out
And while in the delusion, all looks so good and normal

so wait till you're out mate
for now your delusional leadership keeps making even more delusionals out of your country folk by hiding what happened in Kargil phase I in 1991 and 1992. Then Surgical strikes bullshit and what not.

Look what are we talking about and where you have reached, when you don't have anything to substantiate to claim that every great powers had used India. But on the contrary it's India who had benefited with a stable relation with all nations. And you call it a delusion ???? LOL, compare the standing of both our countries in the last 70 years, and you will understand.

 

[War Thunder]

Look what are we talking about and where you have reached, when you don't have anything to substantiate to claim that every great powers had used India. But on the contrary it's India who had benefited with a stable relation with all nations. And you call it a delusion ???? LOL, compare the standing of both our countries in the last 70 years, and you will understand.

Well you might want to read what Columbus had to say about india
And why and how the brits came and ruled india after that

Just for a simple example, If india was outsmarting Russia and USA, I still don't see india having achieved anything in local weapon development and manufacturing and still the worlds biggest importer? Who is the player here? india or the ones who sell you? and who is outsmarting who?

 

[Tom M]

Well you might want to read what Columbus had to say about india
And why and how the brits came and ruled india after that

Just for a simple example, If india was outsmarting Russia and USA, I still don't see india having achieved anything in local weapon development and manufacturing and still the worlds biggest importer? Who is the player here? india or the ones who sell you? and who is outsmarting who?

Not surprised. Being a Pakistani it's all about weapons, and weapons alone for you guy's. There is a giant world beyond weapons and warfare. A huge business and industrial base outside Weapons industry. But you won't understand that. How do you think countries like China and India are able to amass a healthy foreign exchange reserve only because of weapons ???

And regarding outsmarting, yes Civilian nuclear deal is on classic example of that. We are non signatories of NPT, forget it, the NSG came into existence all because of India. But eventually we succeed in getting all waivers to that we could import nuclear fuels and tech from anyone. Isn't that smart enough dude ????

 

[cloud4000]

Not much apparently, since Greece did this 2 decades ago and no one complained, and recently Cyprus (a Greek proxy) signed a deal with Russia allowing the Russian Navy to use its ports and I don't see Greece being kicked out of NATO. All this whining about Turkey by the West is nothing but hypocrisy and BS. The reality is that Germany has been openly supporting terrorists which attack Turkey and now Turkey is doing what's in Turkey's best interests and telling the West "enough".

Please read my post again, which I said that the S-300 Greece bought was in 1999, when Boris Yeltsin was Russia's president and relations with the West were good. The Russia of a today is a different animal. And I don't know what Germany has to do with Turkey purchasing S-400, but okay.

I don't remember USA ever declaring Russia its friend. Was it geographically, linguistically or culturally different?because USSR broke apart in 1989 like a decade before 1999.

Never said friend. Just that relations were better then it is now.

 

[ISI-1]

Now you will teach India, international politics ??? The same India who is expert dealing with both Russia and USA, Saudi Arabia and Iran etc.

We have long mastered the art of taming and keeping both the wolf and sheep in same cage, yet reap benefit from both.

In other words, zionist hindu RAPE-istani's are a two-faced, hypocritical and shallow minded polytheistic morally bankrupt low-lives.

 

[xenon54 out]

Perhaps the issue is just with Erdogan and not the Turkish military, who have good relations with both NATO and US.

Its not about Erdogan or Ali or Mehmet its about the issue that Turkey doesnt agree with Us policy in ME which so far only brought more destruction.
It started with Turkey not agreeing with Iraq invasion, which btw was based on a invented excuse, Turkey didnt agree with letting US to use Incirlik AB back then because it knew once US sets foot in Iraq the whole balances in ME will change, hence we see the mess today.

The recent rage that US has about Turkey is that their games are failing one after another like the coup and shooting of Russian diplomat.
And this is coming from me whos actually pro west but truth to be told the west isnt angel either, they just have a stronger propaganda machine.