NATO Forces Kill 13 Pak FC's out of a total of 27!

[salman nedian]

Launch a nuke. Then say sorry.

hahaha! This is the only language which they understand.

 

[IceCold]

We will not do anything. We have become too coward and self centred, these incidents hardly make any difference. If they would have had, then we would have not sit idle when oridinary pakistanies got killed as a result of mis-information on the part of the US. Now they have started to attack our security personal. I dont see why this government would act any different this time. No they wont. The only thing that matters to us is to restore the corrupt judiciary, rest can all go to hell.

 

[Comet]

Be logivacal. We cant control our tribal area. how the hell are we going to control whole or part of afghanistan? even nato can't do it.
there will be new problems. now we are attacked by nato and afghan soldiers. then we will be attacked by talibans.

 

[salman nedian]

Be logivacal. We cant control our tribal area. how the hell are we going to control whole or part of afghanistan? even nato can't do it.
there will be new problems. now we are attacked by nato and afghan soldiers. then we will be attacked by talibans.

I think we need to keep facts in mind that during Taliban era there was no such situation on our western borders so it means that all these terrorist activities are being supported by US and Nato.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

got this from the BBC


Pakistan troops 'die on border'
At least 20 people are reported to have been killed in clashes on the Pakistan-Afghan border.

Ten of the dead were reported to be Pakistani troops killed by an apparent US missile strike launched from Afghanistan.

Eight Taleban militants were also killed in the fighting, reports said.

None of the Pakistani, Afghan or US militaries have yet officially commented on the incident.


The soldiers' deaths are reported to have happened at a border post in the Mohmand region, one of Pakistan's tribal areas, opposite Afghanistan's Kunar province, late on Tuesday.
The BBC's Barbara Plett in Islamabad says army helicopters carrying bodies have landed in the north-western city of Peshawar after clashes and apparent air-strikes along the border, but it is still not clear exactly what happened.

One security official says pro-Taleban militants launched an attack into Afghanistan, and Pakistani soldiers in a border post were killed in the counter-strike by Nato-led forces.

Other reports say the fighting broke out after Afghan troops tried to set up a mountain top post in territory claimed by Pakistan - the Pakistani Taliban claim to have attacked these invading Afghan forces, prompting Nato to respond with air strikes.

The BBC's M Ilyas Khan, in Karachi, says the border areas of the tribal district are full of Taleban fighters and local administrators have little power there, although security forces keep a presence on the border posts.

In a separate incident, in a different region, four civilians were killed in an operation by US-led forces in eastern Afghanistan, the coalition said.

Three women and a child died as troops targeted militants in Paktika province, a US military spokeswoman said, describing the deaths as "tragic".

Story from BBC NEWS:
BBC NEWS | South Asia | Pakistan troops 'die on border'

Published: 2008/06/11 07:17:17 GMT

© BBC MMVIII

 

[muse]

Air Strikes -- you do know that Afghans do not have fixed wing aircraft, don't you - and therefore you know who did this.

And where was the PAF in all this?? Did they not pick aircraft appraoching Pakistan?, Did they not scramble? Why not?

 

[ejaz007]

Pakistan troops 'die on border'

At least 18 people are reported to have been killed in clashes on the Pakistan-Afghan border.

Ten of the dead were reported to be Pakistani troops killed by an apparent missile strike by US or Nato-led forces, launched from Afghanistan.

Eight Taleban militants were also killed in the fighting, a Taleban spokesman said.

None of the Pakistani, Afghan or US militaries, or Nato, have yet officially commented on the incident.

The soldiers' deaths are reported to have occurred at a border post in the Mohmand region, one of Pakistan's tribal areas, opposite Afghanistan's Kunar province, late on Tuesday.

The BBC's Barbara Plett in Islamabad says army helicopters carrying bodies have landed in the north-western city of Peshawar after clashes and apparent air-strikes along the border, but it is still not clear exactly what happened.

One security official says pro-Taleban militants launched an attack into Afghanistan, and Pakistani soldiers in a border post were killed in the counter-strike by Nato-led forces.

Other reports say the fighting broke out after Afghan troops tried to set up a mountain top post in territory claimed by Pakistan - the Pakistani Taleban claim to have then attacked these Afghan forces, prompting Nato to respond with air strikes.

Border tensions

Correspondents say Taleban fighters have a strong presence in the border areas of the tribal district and local administrators have little power there, although security forces keep a presence on the border posts.

Disputes occasionally flare up over the long and porous border, which the Afghan government has never recognised.

These tensions have been aggravated by the Taleban insurgency in Afghanistan.

Afghan and US-led forces accuse Islamabad of failing to stop infiltration by Taleban fighters who take refuge in Pakistan's tribal belt along the frontier, and are worried that the government's recent peace talks with militants there will only give the Taleban more room for manoeuvre.

Pakistan says Nato and Afghan troops are not doing enough to monitor their side of the border, and that US air strikes that target suspected militants in the tribal areas only inflame the situation.

In a separate incident, in a different region, four civilians were killed in an operation by US-led forces in eastern Afghanistan, the coalition said.

Three women and a child died as troops targeted militants in Paktika province, a US military spokeswoman said, describing the deaths as "tragic".

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Pakistan troops 'die on border'

 

[muse]

Still think F16 will protect Pakistanis?

 

[ejaz007]

US and ISAF is loosing the war in Afghanistan. They are trying to create chaos in Pakistan to get them involved in the war. This is also result of weak Pakistani leadership. If FC and PA once retaliate strongly killing 10-15 US and ISAF soldiers not a single shell shall land on Pakistani side. US and ISAF soldiers do this because they know we are not going to retaliate. The day they started getting the response this will end.

 

[ejaz007]

Its not F-16 but the will to fight that saves one. If we demonstrate our will to fight this will end. As long as we remain on the receiving end this will continue. We need to retaliate.

 

[niaz]

Enough is enough!

Now the matter must be decided with the US occupiers. I am an advocate of merging afghan pushtun areas with Pakistan its time to do it now.

I think in case of any such attack in future we can declare a war and must control the afghan areas ourselves so that we can also deal with insurgency problems created from Afghanistan.

Re: Afghan Forces Kill 13 Pak FC's!

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We will not do anything. We have become too coward and self centred, these incidents hardly make any difference. If they would have had, then we would have not sit idle when oridinary pakistanies got killed as a result of mis-information on the part of the US. Now they have started to attack our security personal. I dont see why this government would act any different this time. No they wont. The only thing that matters to us is to restore the corrupt judiciary, rest can all go to

Unquote.

Hon Members and Compatriots.

Let us analyse the situation.

Firstly from the side of the US/Nato:

Let us suppose that someone comes into your house; beats up the women folk and breaks a few windows. He then runs away and hides in your neighbours house. What would you do? The situation as Karzai govt and NATO sees it, is no different.

Now from Pakistan's side:

MMA and Islamists stance.

Pashtoons are our brothers and fellow Muslims and they are being wrongly done by NATO and the US. These are infidels; Afghan Pashtoons are fighting a jihad and we should do every thing we can to help.

Mush/PML-Q govt stance:

No foreign troops shall take action inside Pakistan territory and if any action is to be taken it will be by our own troops.

Current Govt/ANP policy:
Appeasing the extremist elements, in a way letting them get even stronger.

IMO, none of the above policy is correct. Unfortunately, it is not the court of law. MIGHT is right. Taliban/AlQaida/ Pakistani Islamic extremists are bent upon imposing their will by force. May this be in Afghanistan or inside Pakistan territory? They use whatever means they have at their disposal, including suicide bombing against soft targets at the time and place of their choice; whether it is against Nato/Afghan forces or against Pakistani forces as well Pakistani civilians.

US/Nato on the other hand, use their might against what they suspect is the hiding place of Taliban/Al Qaida, regardless of where it is even though it is across international boundary.

Trouble is, Pakistan has done the same thing against India and got away with it because we are strong enough to defend ourselves against Indians. Even then Musharraf was forced to declare "Pakistani soil will not be allowed to be used against our neighbours" a few years ago.

NATO is far stronger proposition. While NATO forces are finding it difficult to fight Taliban/ AlQaida guerrilla fighters. Against conventional troops their superior fire power will be very effective and PA wouldn’t do much better than Iraqi forces. The scenario prevented by Musharraf's ’U’ turn would come true.

What is to be done? Pakistan is a peaceful country and wants to live in peace with her neighbours. We had no territorial claim on any part of Afghanistan. We should therefore do all we can to avoid the fight between Taliban/Al Qaida and US/NATO into a fight between Pakistan and NATO. Can’t you see that it is the aim of MMA, Islamic extremists and Taliban to embroil Pakistan in their quarrel? So what if Pakistan is sent back to the middle ages! This is the aim of Taliban and their supporters any way, when they bomb girl’s schools, barber shops and video shops.

Now to answer the post quoted above.

We are unable to control Waziristan and Swat. If we take over Afghan Pashtoon areas, how you do suppose we would control the problem multiplied tenfold. We would be taken over by Taliban’s instead and ruled by warlords as in Somalia. Is that what you want??

Hon Iceman. It is not a question of cowardice. Sometimes it is better to run away to fight another day. It is a question of prudence.

Pakistan is a gift of Allah, but alas we don’t deserve it. Main objective of any government is to make conditions in the country that her citizens can go about their daily chores without fear. As it is, conditions in Pakistan are so bad that one can’t be hundred per certain that when he leaves for work, he will come back home safely in the evening. Taliban have made sure of that. Are you proposing that we take on the US and NATO because our stupid tribals insist on providing safe haven to the Taliban/ Al Qaida terrorists. Why these don’t so called freedom fighters remain their side of the border.

We have not been satisfied with 1971 defeat by India and are bent upon breaking up Pakistan by fighting NATO. Can’t you see that a war with US/Nato would result in India taking Azad Kashmir, Baluchis declaring independence and Sindhi nationalists forming Sindhu Desh?

I repeat my view posted earlier, no matter how unpalatable, only way forward is to eliminate all opposition against the State; whether Islamic, ethnic or linguistic, ruthlessly. Else the federation will be in danger of disintegration.

 

[Skywalker]

Air Strikes -- you do know that Afghans do not have fixed wing aircraft, don't you - and therefore you know who did this.

And where was the PAF in all this?? Did they not pick aircraft appraoching Pakistan?, Did they not scramble? Why not?

Well I guess my friend, PAF pilots were watching Top Gun in the mess..it was so excited they couldnt get out.

 

[muse]

The blood of Pakistani soldiers and Pakistani major is cheap - if no, then 100 enemy soldier for every pakistani dead - the base where where airstrike took place, destroyed the aircraft involved destroyed, the president of the enemy nation, does not blood and honor call that he must be held responsible? the commanders of the occupying power?? .

 

[salman nedian]

Niaz,
There are 2 ways to sort this out 1, diplomatically 2, militarily; we must retaliate else do you think that we should keep watching insurgencies being ignited in the country from Afghanistan side.

There is another possible solution and that is to involve China and Russia into this. what do you think?

 

[indiapakistanfriendship]

There is another possible solution and that is to involve China and Russia into this. what do you think?

SN thought this question is not directed towards me, let me say it is in China and Russia's interest to have NATO fighting radical elements in Afghanistan. Ever wondered when Russia and China are vocally against Iraqi invasion, they have not raised voice against NATO presence in Afghanistan?