Nandipur power project to collapse if it gets operational

[<ScRipT>.<3DiT>]

ISLAMABAD: The Nandipur power project debacle has taken a new turn as in case it gets operational and generates 425-450 megawatts electricity from now onwards, it will collapse and will turn out to be a huge liability of the government as under the existing tariff of Rs11.3073 on furnace oil determined by Nepra, its electricity generation cost is not recovered.



With the costs and tariff determined by the learned Authority, the project will not be able to even pay the lenders’ payments and it will collapse like other Gencos (electricity generation companies) within days, reveals Northern Power Generation Company Limited (NPGCL) in its review petition on Nandipur power project submitted with National Electric Power Regulatory Authority (Nepra) of which a copy is available with The News.



Even if the power plant gets operational, it will continue to inflict mammoth loss of Rs30 billion to Pakistan’s national exchequer and it will be a huge liability of the government, one of the members of the board of directors of NPGCL confided to The News.



More importantly, he divulged, if the said project gets operational and generates 425MW electricity, then the national exchequer will have to brave loss of Rs6.5 on every unit to be produced by the plant to cater to the full generation cost of one megawatt and if the government does not pick up the financial damage, then Rs6.5 per unit will be added to the circular debt as the tariff given by the Nepra stands at Rs11.3073 on furnace oil against the tariff of Rs18.168 per unit.



The additional loss to the exchequer due to simple cycle operations is estimated at Rs5 per unit in addition to Rs6.5 per unit not allowed by Nepra. This means if the plant is operated for one month, then the combined additional loss will stand at Rs2.5 billion that will be at Rs30 billion if the project is run for one year.



This means if the project comes on stream, then there is a huge loss to the national exchequer at the existing tariff and in case it is not allowed to get operated then the huge amount of Rs58 will go into drain.



However, the petitioner seeking the review of the tariff already given by the regulator dated April 4, 2015 pleaded that tariff determined by the Authority will not help recover the electricity generation cost, resultantly, Nandipur power plant will collapse in case it gets operational from now onward.



The board of directors’ meeting authorised Muhammad Shoaib Rasheed, Chief Executive Officer NPGCL, for filing of leave for review with Nepra, who as a petitioner asked the regulator to approve, and revise the tariff based on actual expenses. In the petition, NPGCL sought the determination of operation and maintenance (O&M) tariff on realistic basis for HSFO Fuel with multiple of 3.5 to gas O&M and fix O&M tariff along with due indexation.



The petitioner mentioned and argued that incurred and verified EPC (engineering, procurement and construction) cost amounting to $382.52 million should the part of the tariff. He also asked for inclusion of IDC (interest during construction) at actual for total construction period. The NPGCL also asked Nepra to include non-EPC costs of $46.07 million. The petitioner also urged to include the component of financing fees, saying it should be calculated and allowed at 3 percent of financing as per precedence.



In addition, the petitioner advocated for the inclusion of the cost of the spare parts amounting to $15 million in the cost of the project which should be reflected in the tariff. “The gas connection costs should also be allowed in the tariff,” the petitioner pleaded, adding, “Indexation base of conversion rates for ROE (return on equity) and ROEDC (return on equity during construction) should be of Rs90.” The petitioner stressed that ROEDC should be calculated on FIFO basis instead of weighted average, saying the project’s thermal efficiency to be accepted as 44 percent for HSFO fuel.



The petitioner also asked for adjustment mechanism for working capital tariff and demanded omission of time period clause from determination. The NPGCL in the leave for review petition also pleaded that open cycle tariff should be allowed against demand of NPCC (national power control cell) stressing the regulator to rectify the IRR (internal rate of return) promised to the investor by allowing the above said adjustments.



Secretary Water and Power Younas Dagha was earlier phoned, sent many SMSs seeking the answers of the questions that include where does Nandipur power plant fall in the merit order if it generates electricity on furnace oil and what is the electricity generation cost by the project and does the tariff given by Nepra fulfils the generation cost of electricity of the project, he did not respond till the filing of this report.



The questionnaire was sent on September 13 (Saturday last), but there was no response and then The News again reminded him on Sunday of the SMS and sought the detailed answers, but the secretary stayed unmoved and opted to remain non-responsive.



Then spokesman for the ministry Zafar Yab Khan was also contacted and sent the same questionnaire. He first promised to arrange the answers from the secretary of the ministry, but even after lapse of three days Zafar Khan did not provide the answers, saying, “The issues you have highlighted in the questionnaire, ministry is not in apposition to respond them and you better make contact with managing director of Nandipur.” However, Capt Muhammad Mehmood, MD Nandipur power plant, first showed willingness to discuss and answer questions but he did not do so despite many attempts made by The News.



However, the document pertaining to review petition clearly gives the answer that Nandipur project is not feasible under the existing tariff and if its get operational it will turn out to be huge liability.

Nandipur power project to collapse if it gets operational - thenews.com.pk

 

[koolio]

ISLAMABAD: The Nandipur power project debacle has taken a new turn as in case it gets operational and generates 425-450 megawatts electricity from now onwards, it will collapse and will turn out to be a huge liability of the government as under the existing tariff of Rs11.3073 on furnace oil determined by Nepra, its electricity generation cost is not recovered.



With the costs and tariff determined by the learned Authority, the project will not be able to even pay the lenders’ payments and it will collapse like other Gencos (electricity generation companies) within days, reveals Northern Power Generation Company Limited (NPGCL) in its review petition on Nandipur power project submitted with National Electric Power Regulatory Authority (Nepra) of which a copy is available with The News.


Even if the power plant gets operational, it will continue to inflict mammoth loss of Rs30 billion to Pakistan’s national exchequer and it will be a huge liability of the government, one of the members of the board of directors of NPGCL confided to The News.



More importantly, he divulged, if the said project gets operational and generates 425MW electricity, then the national exchequer will have to brave loss of Rs6.5 on every unit to be produced by the plant to cater to the full generation cost of one megawatt and if the government does not pick up the financial damage, then Rs6.5 per unit will be added to the circular debt as the tariff given by the Nepra stands at Rs11.3073 on furnace oil against the tariff of Rs18.168 per unit.



The additional loss to the exchequer due to simple cycle operations is estimated at Rs5 per unit in addition to Rs6.5 per unit not allowed by Nepra. This means if the plant is operated for one month, then the combined additional loss will stand at Rs2.5 billion that will be at Rs30 billion if the project is run for one year.



This means if the project comes on stream, then there is a huge loss to the national exchequer at the existing tariff and in case it is not allowed to get operated then the huge amount of Rs58 will go into drain.



However, the petitioner seeking the review of the tariff already given by the regulator dated April 4, 2015 pleaded that tariff determined by the Authority will not help recover the electricity generation cost, resultantly, Nandipur power plant will collapse in case it gets operational from now onward.



The board of directors’ meeting authorised Muhammad Shoaib Rasheed, Chief Executive Officer NPGCL, for filing of leave for review with Nepra, who as a petitioner asked the regulator to approve, and revise the tariff based on actual expenses. In the petition, NPGCL sought the determination of operation and maintenance (O&M) tariff on realistic basis for HSFO Fuel with multiple of 3.5 to gas O&M and fix O&M tariff along with due indexation.



The petitioner mentioned and argued that incurred and verified EPC (engineering, procurement and construction) cost amounting to $382.52 million should the part of the tariff. He also asked for inclusion of IDC (interest during construction) at actual for total construction period. The NPGCL also asked Nepra to include non-EPC costs of $46.07 million. The petitioner also urged to include the component of financing fees, saying it should be calculated and allowed at 3 percent of financing as per precedence.



In addition, the petitioner advocated for the inclusion of the cost of the spare parts amounting to $15 million in the cost of the project which should be reflected in the tariff. “The gas connection costs should also be allowed in the tariff,” the petitioner pleaded, adding, “Indexation base of conversion rates for ROE (return on equity) and ROEDC (return on equity during construction) should be of Rs90.” The petitioner stressed that ROEDC should be calculated on FIFO basis instead of weighted average, saying the project’s thermal efficiency to be accepted as 44 percent for HSFO fuel.



The petitioner also asked for adjustment mechanism for working capital tariff and demanded omission of time period clause from determination. The NPGCL in the leave for review petition also pleaded that open cycle tariff should be allowed against demand of NPCC (national power control cell) stressing the regulator to rectify the IRR (internal rate of return) promised to the investor by allowing the above said adjustments.



Secretary Water and Power Younas Dagha was earlier phoned, sent many SMSs seeking the answers of the questions that include where does Nandipur power plant fall in the merit order if it generates electricity on furnace oil and what is the electricity generation cost by the project and does the tariff given by Nepra fulfils the generation cost of electricity of the project, he did not respond till the filing of this report.



The questionnaire was sent on September 13 (Saturday last), but there was no response and then The News again reminded him on Sunday of the SMS and sought the detailed answers, but the secretary stayed unmoved and opted to remain non-responsive.



Then spokesman for the ministry Zafar Yab Khan was also contacted and sent the same questionnaire. He first promised to arrange the answers from the secretary of the ministry, but even after lapse of three days Zafar Khan did not provide the answers, saying, “The issues you have highlighted in the questionnaire, ministry is not in apposition to respond them and you better make contact with managing director of Nandipur.” However, Capt Muhammad Mehmood, MD Nandipur power plant, first showed willingness to discuss and answer questions but he did not do so despite many attempts made by The News.



However, the document pertaining to review petition clearly gives the answer that Nandipur project is not feasible under the existing tariff and if its get operational it will turn out to be huge liability.

Nandipur power project to collapse if it gets operational - thenews.com.pk

So where has the all the investment gone?

 

[Viper0011.]

ISLAMABAD: The Nandipur power project debacle has taken a new turn as in case it gets operational and generates 425-450 megawatts electricity from now onwards, it will collapse and will turn out to be a huge liability of the government as under the existing tariff of Rs11.3073 on furnace oil determined by Nepra, its electricity generation cost is not recovered.

With the costs and tariff determined by the learned Authority, the project will not be able to even pay the lenders’ payments and it will collapse like other Gencos (electricity generation companies) within days, reveals Northern Power Generation Company Limited (NPGCL) in its review petition on Nandipur power project submitted with National Electric Power Regulatory Authority (Nepra) of which a copy is available with The News.

However, the document pertaining to review petition clearly gives the answer that Nandipur project is not feasible under the existing tariff and if its get operational it will turn out to be huge liability.

Nandipur power project to collapse if it gets operational - thenews.com.pk

Thank you to Zardari. He and his power ministers should be jailed for it. This even should be investigated at the least and an open committee should make sure no wrong doings happen. Which I doubt as this was under the Chinese control and funding.

When an entire country is going through advancement and rebirth, projects do fail. In fact, analysis show that 30-35% of the projects fail or become expensive due to labor, material or other content.

There are also ways to hedge against the higher cost of production. But this has to go to its max capacity first. The Chinese are working on overhauling the entire turbine set which Zardari kept under heavy humidity for years. (what a fukking moron), just to make money!

 

[saadee]

In the pockets of Nawaz Shareef and his goons.

 

[<ScRipT>.<3DiT>]

So where has the all the investment gone?

In the pockets of Nawaz Shareef and his goons.

 

[black-hawk_101]

ISLAMABAD: The Nandipur power project debacle has taken a new turn as in case it gets operational and generates 425-450 megawatts electricity from now onwards, it will collapse and will turn out to be a huge liability of the government as under the existing tariff of Rs11.3073 on furnace oil determined by Nepra, its electricity generation cost is not recovered.



With the costs and tariff determined by the learned Authority, the project will not be able to even pay the lenders’ payments and it will collapse like other Gencos (electricity generation companies) within days, reveals Northern Power Generation Company Limited (NPGCL) in its review petition on Nandipur power project submitted with National Electric Power Regulatory Authority (Nepra) of which a copy is available with The News.



Even if the power plant gets operational, it will continue to inflict mammoth loss of Rs30 billion to Pakistan’s national exchequer and it will be a huge liability of the government, one of the members of the board of directors of NPGCL confided to The News.



More importantly, he divulged, if the said project gets operational and generates 425MW electricity, then the national exchequer will have to brave loss of Rs6.5 on every unit to be produced by the plant to cater to the full generation cost of one megawatt and if the government does not pick up the financial damage, then Rs6.5 per unit will be added to the circular debt as the tariff given by the Nepra stands at Rs11.3073 on furnace oil against the tariff of Rs18.168 per unit.



The additional loss to the exchequer due to simple cycle operations is estimated at Rs5 per unit in addition to Rs6.5 per unit not allowed by Nepra. This means if the plant is operated for one month, then the combined additional loss will stand at Rs2.5 billion that will be at Rs30 billion if the project is run for one year.



This means if the project comes on stream, then there is a huge loss to the national exchequer at the existing tariff and in case it is not allowed to get operated then the huge amount of Rs58 will go into drain.



However, the petitioner seeking the review of the tariff already given by the regulator dated April 4, 2015 pleaded that tariff determined by the Authority will not help recover the electricity generation cost, resultantly, Nandipur power plant will collapse in case it gets operational from now onward.



The board of directors’ meeting authorised Muhammad Shoaib Rasheed, Chief Executive Officer NPGCL, for filing of leave for review with Nepra, who as a petitioner asked the regulator to approve, and revise the tariff based on actual expenses. In the petition, NPGCL sought the determination of operation and maintenance (O&M) tariff on realistic basis for HSFO Fuel with multiple of 3.5 to gas O&M and fix O&M tariff along with due indexation.



The petitioner mentioned and argued that incurred and verified EPC (engineering, procurement and construction) cost amounting to $382.52 million should the part of the tariff. He also asked for inclusion of IDC (interest during construction) at actual for total construction period. The NPGCL also asked Nepra to include non-EPC costs of $46.07 million. The petitioner also urged to include the component of financing fees, saying it should be calculated and allowed at 3 percent of financing as per precedence.



In addition, the petitioner advocated for the inclusion of the cost of the spare parts amounting to $15 million in the cost of the project which should be reflected in the tariff. “The gas connection costs should also be allowed in the tariff,” the petitioner pleaded, adding, “Indexation base of conversion rates for ROE (return on equity) and ROEDC (return on equity during construction) should be of Rs90.” The petitioner stressed that ROEDC should be calculated on FIFO basis instead of weighted average, saying the project’s thermal efficiency to be accepted as 44 percent for HSFO fuel.



The petitioner also asked for adjustment mechanism for working capital tariff and demanded omission of time period clause from determination. The NPGCL in the leave for review petition also pleaded that open cycle tariff should be allowed against demand of NPCC (national power control cell) stressing the regulator to rectify the IRR (internal rate of return) promised to the investor by allowing the above said adjustments.



Secretary Water and Power Younas Dagha was earlier phoned, sent many SMSs seeking the answers of the questions that include where does Nandipur power plant fall in the merit order if it generates electricity on furnace oil and what is the electricity generation cost by the project and does the tariff given by Nepra fulfils the generation cost of electricity of the project, he did not respond till the filing of this report.



The questionnaire was sent on September 13 (Saturday last), but there was no response and then The News again reminded him on Sunday of the SMS and sought the detailed answers, but the secretary stayed unmoved and opted to remain non-responsive.



Then spokesman for the ministry Zafar Yab Khan was also contacted and sent the same questionnaire. He first promised to arrange the answers from the secretary of the ministry, but even after lapse of three days Zafar Khan did not provide the answers, saying, “The issues you have highlighted in the questionnaire, ministry is not in apposition to respond them and you better make contact with managing director of Nandipur.” However, Capt Muhammad Mehmood, MD Nandipur power plant, first showed willingness to discuss and answer questions but he did not do so despite many attempts made by The News.



However, the document pertaining to review petition clearly gives the answer that Nandipur project is not feasible under the existing tariff and if its get operational it will turn out to be huge liability.

Nandipur power project to collapse if it gets operational - thenews.com.pk

Why they didn't went with their plan of privatizing it after making it operational?

 

[niaz]

Let us look at the Nandipur power project objectively based on what I know about it.

It is a 425 MW power project with a cost of about $574-million when it was announced in 2008. About $1.35-millin per MW, not too excessive for a combined cycle thermal power plant. Completion was expected to be in 2011; 3 years being quite normal for power plants lead in time.

It can only be the complete ineptitude of the PPP gov’t that no one cared to keep an eye on the progress of the project. Hence much of the project machinery was stuck at Karachi Port for 2 years for unknown reasons. By that time natural gas was no longer available for this plant. Cost is therefore now double the original estimate.

Understand main reason of the increased cost is that plant is a gas turbine designed to burn natural gas. It can also be run on jet (kerosene) & gas oil (diesel) without a problem but because of the sulphur & metals limits; imported high Sulphur fuel oil (Furnace oil) can not be burnt. Therefore additional investment in a fuel oil treatment plant was required. In comedy of errors; capacity of fuel oil treatment plant being installed is less than the requirements; thus if & when everything is up and running; output will be limited to 250 MW.

The plant was inaugurated with much fanfare in May 31, 2014 by the Sharif brothers but it couldn't run beyond 5 days because it was burning gas oil with the production cost at Rs 85 per KWH (Then gas oil was $1000 per ton).

I am just a minor energy consultant, but if I were to make such errors, I wouldn’t get another assignment in a million years. However, despite the fact that MD & other plant engineers must have known what they were doing, they were awarded pride of performance medals for bringing the project on line!!!!

It is not that Pakistan lacks good engineers; it is only that we are so used to defrauding others that we have started to deceive ourselves. Such gross errors will continue until we start giving priority to merit & diligence instead of the current preference for political patronage & nepotism..

 

[ziaulislam]

Thank you to Zardari. He and his power ministers should be jailed for it. This even should be investigated at the least and an open committee should make sure no wrong doings happen. Which I doubt as this was under the Chinese control and funding.

When an entire country is going through advancement and rebirth, projects do fail. In fact, analysis show that 30-35% of the projects fail or become expensive due to labor, material or other content.

There are also ways to hedge against the higher cost of production. But this has to go to its max capacity first. The Chinese are working on overhauling the entire turbine set which Zardari kept under heavy humidity for years. (what a fukking moron), just to make money!

zardari????
he has nothing to do with it?

look at post of nandipur project way back people predicted this will happen as its common sense...it as stupid to invest here if you have no cheap gas, why not coal or even small hydro projects but who listens

you cannot run a desel engine power plant in our current setting and expect profit..complete incompetence by sharif..ofcourse we will dump it over zardari era..or wiat lets dump it over musharraf...
any good deed of last 20 years is nawaz and any bad deed of last 20 years is zardaris

 

[Hurter]

Rs.87 billion gaye Nandi pur paani mai.

 

[Viper0011.]

zardari???? he has nothing to do with it? look at post of nandipur project way back people predicted this will happen as its common sense...it as stupid to invest here if you have no cheap gas, why not coal or even small hydro projects but who listens

or wiat lets dump it over musharraf...any good deed of last 20 years is nawaz and any bad deed of last 20 years is zardaris

I am not really here to give you emotional support or to listen to your venting to be honest. I don't write stuff without having complete understanding of the subject.

Both you and I know the truth. But you guys are so disconnected as a nation that every single issue, you'll play politics on it.

Zardari stopped this equipment to get bribes, the super expensive and sensitive machinery was put under serious humid conditions, which would cause it to get mold and other things inside the machinery. Its like Florida, the car dealers in the US avoid buying cars from Florida as the car's body or the bottom chassis has rotten iron due to serious humidity, rains and all. So the machinery, although looking solid from the top, had issues inside. For ANY internal mechanical issues, you can't fix as these are all proprietary technologies and the OEM manufacturer has to be involved. And they don't just open up all the machinery, they provide Technical Assistance on failure and to resolve issues. A total defect on a Tested platform before shipping doesn't really happen. This was an exception due to the climate this expensive hardware put left in for years.

And please, don't tell me "people with common sense knew that". NO one knew that or predicted the machinery would be damaged from the inside and the damage will come outside in increments. And one day, you'll have to open up the entire Turbine and realize that its rotten from the inside..... the "people" you are referring to with common sense, are gambling like IK did in cricket.

On every project, they already say "its going to fail", if it doesn't, then they complain about corruption or benefiting NS's family. If it does fail, then its "see we told you". People have brains and they know bullshiit from reality. A Cricketer who can't manage a stable marriage, can't run a country. In fact, he can't keep his statements consistent. Similarly, Zardari is ALL about easy money. Both IK and Zardari have selfish personalities and mental disorders, it's always about them and not about the people.

People who care about the people, are working without making too much noise and are trying to deliver and have been delivering stuff. That includes NS and RS and that partnership should continue as it will for sure benefit 200 million people and a country who's desperately looking for a better future!

 

[mingle]

I am not really here to give you emotional support or to listen to your venting to be honest. I don't write stuff without having complete understanding of the subject.

Both you and I know the truth. But you guys are so disconnected as a nation that every single issue, you'll play politics on it.

Zardari stopped this equipment to get bribes, the super expensive and sensitive machinery was put under serious humid conditions, which would cause it to get mold and other things inside the machinery. Its like Florida, the car dealers in the US avoid buying cars from Florida as the car's body or the bottom chassis has rotten iron due to serious humidity, rains and all. So the machinery, although looking solid from the top, had issues inside. For ANY internal mechanical issues, you can't fix as these are all proprietary technologies and the OEM manufacturer has to be involved. And they don't just open up all the machinery, they provide Technical Assistance on failure and to resolve issues. A total defect on a Tested platform before shipping doesn't really happen. This was an exception due to the climate this expensive hardware put left in for years.

And please, don't tell me "people with common sense knew that". NO one knew that or predicted the machinery would be damaged from the inside and the damage will come outside in increments. And one day, you'll have to open up the entire Turbine and realize that its rotten from the inside..... the "people" you are referring to with common sense, are gambling like IK did in cricket.

On every project, they already say "its going to fail", if it doesn't, then they complain about corruption or benefiting NS's family. If it does fail, then its "see we told you". People have brains and they know bullshiit from reality. A Cricketer who can't manage a stable marriage, can't run a country. In fact, he can't keep his statements consistent. Similarly, Zardari is ALL about easy money. Both IK and Zardari have selfish personalities and mental disorders, it's always about them and not about the people.

People who care about the people, are working without making too much noise and are trying to deliver and have been delivering stuff. That includes NS and RS and that partnership should continue as it will for sure benefit 200 million people and a country who's desperately looking for a better future!

U still venting for nothing if we start to vent againest ur boss and his family then u will hiding somewhere .if ur boss narender sharif has balls then he should put zardari in jail with khawaja sara asif but he wont if ball start to roll whole narender league will go jail including ur mian narender

zardari????
he has nothing to do with it?

look at post of nandipur project way back people predicted this will happen as its common sense...it as stupid to invest here if you have no cheap gas, why not coal or even small hydro projects but who listens

you cannot run a desel engine power plant in our current setting and expect profit..complete incompetence by sharif..ofcourse we will dump it over zardari era..or wiat lets dump it over musharraf...
any good deed of last 20 years is nawaz and any bad deed of last 20 years is zardaris

Its called mukmaka by narender and zardari dont worry he is not going to jail .

 

[MilSpec]

Slightly Confused...
Why blame the present and the past government? who are the Project managers, Operations managers, energy minister? And why can they add an additional treatment plant? hell why can't you get NG onsite? Why would NG disappear in 2 years? Why is there no Public Investigation Litigation on this? what about external auditors, any reports?

Let us look at the Nandipur power project objectively based on what I know about it.

It is a 425 MW power project with a cost of about $574-million when it was announced in 2008. About $1.35-millin per MW, not too excessive for a combined cycle thermal power plant. Completion was expected to be in 2011; 3 years being quite normal for power plants lead in time.

It can only be the complete ineptitude of the PPP gov’t that no one cared to keep an eye on the progress of the project. Hence much of the project machinery was stuck at Karachi Port for 2 years for unknown reasons. By that time natural gas was no longer available for this plant. Cost is therefore now double the original estimate.

Understand main reason of the increased cost is that plant is a gas turbine designed to burn natural gas. It can also be run on jet (kerosene) & gas oil (diesel) without a problem but because of the sulphur & metals limits; imported high Sulphur fuel oil (Furnace oil) can not be burnt. Therefore additional investment in a fuel oil treatment plant was required. In comedy of errors; capacity of fuel oil treatment plant being installed is less than the requirements; thus if & when everything is up and running; output will be limited to 250 MW.

The plant was inaugurated with much fanfare in May 31, 2014 by the Sharif brothers but it couldn't run beyond 5 days because it was burning gas oil with the production cost at Rs 85 per KWH (Then gas oil was $1000 per ton).

I am just a minor energy consultant, but if I were to make such errors, I wouldn’t get another assignment in a million years. However, despite the fact that MD & other plant engineers must have known what they were doing, they were awarded pride of performance medals for bringing the project on line!!!!

It is not that Pakistan lacks good engineers; it is only that we are so used to defrauding others that we have started to deceive ourselves. Such gross errors will continue until we start giving priority to merit & diligence instead of the current preference for political patronage & nepotism..

What specific equipment (sensitive and super expensive) are you referring to ? Which manufacturer?

I am not really here to give you emotional support or to listen to your venting to be honest. I don't write stuff without having complete understanding of the subject.

Both you and I know the truth. But you guys are so disconnected as a nation that every single issue, you'll play politics on it.

Zardari stopped this equipment to get bribes, the super expensive and sensitive machinery was put under serious humid conditions, which would cause it to get mold and other things inside the machinery. Its like Florida, the car dealers in the US avoid buying cars from Florida as the car's body or the bottom chassis has rotten iron due to serious humidity, rains and all. So the machinery, although looking solid from the top, had issues inside. For ANY internal mechanical issues, you can't fix as these are all proprietary technologies and the OEM manufacturer has to be involved. And they don't just open up all the machinery, they provide Technical Assistance on failure and to resolve issues. A total defect on a Tested platform before shipping doesn't really happen. This was an exception due to the climate this expensive hardware put left in for years.

And please, don't tell me "people with common sense knew that". NO one knew that or predicted the machinery would be damaged from the inside and the damage will come outside in increments. And one day, you'll have to open up the entire Turbine and realize that its rotten from the inside..... the "people" you are referring to with common sense, are gambling like IK did in cricket.

On every project, they already say "its going to fail", if it doesn't, then they complain about corruption or benefiting NS's family. If it does fail, then its "see we told you". People have brains and they know bullshiit from reality. A Cricketer who can't manage a stable marriage, can't run a country. In fact, he can't keep his statements consistent. Similarly, Zardari is ALL about easy money. Both IK and Zardari have selfish personalities and mental disorders, it's always about them and not about the people.

People who care about the people, are working without making too much noise and are trying to deliver and have been delivering stuff. That includes NS and RS and that partnership should continue as it will for sure benefit 200 million people and a country who's desperately looking for a better future!

 

[mingle]

Slightly Confused...
Why blame the present and the past government? who are the Project managers, Operations managers, energy minister? And why can they add an additional treatment plant? hell why can't you get NG onsite? Why would NG disappear in 2 years? Why is there no Public Investigation Litigation on this? what about external auditors, any reports?



What specific equipment (sensitive and super expensive) are you referring to ? Which manufacturer?

These r very old games by these crooks in pak if u in power by hook or crook ur above the law they both involve in this scam about billion $$ ,list goes on & on next is famous metro to laptops to sasti roti ,imagine zardari in 80 s use to sell black tickets of cinema in karachi how he made billions .same with NS they have one family little foundry including his siblings now they one of boggest investor in UK alone .they r crooks from top to bottom .

 

[Viper0011.]

U still venting for nothing if we start to vent againest ur boss and his family then u will hiding somewhere .if ur boss narender sharif has balls then he should put zardari in jail with khawaja sara asif but he wont if ball start to roll whole narender league will go jail including ur mian narender


Its called mukmaka by narender and zardari dont worry he is not going to jail .

I am responding to a silly post. If you don't have balls to read the reality or agree to it, perhaps you should go hug your moma and have her read you a bed time story with Cinderrall or whatever they read to kids at night!!! Remain factual with me and we are fine, you troll and get personal, I'll give it back to you the same way!! I am not attacking your personally so you don't need to. But that's what IK's followers do as they have no logical ability to debate with facts!!

Now to answer your post, which actually was written well if you take out the personal attacks.......Technically, you are ABSOLUTELY right and I agree with you 200%. Zardari should go to jail for life. IK should go to jail and MORE for treason, attacking the Parliament and breaking his Oath to the constitution (which is Treason, second count), and Mushy goes to jail for Treason and Suspending the Constitution and destroying the 200 million people's basic human and constitutional rights, (which is beyond just life in jail).

So the problem is, the military from Kiyani's time been trying to protect Mushy. Gen. Raheel isn't supporting Mushy, which is why Mushy in desperation and needing Army's support issues statement as "RS is better than I am" (whatever happened to the fake superman ego Mr. Mushy????). But RS has asked NS as a respect to the military, don't do public bashing as that makes the Army look bad. Which NS totally agreed with and that's why his people don't talk about Mushy anymore.

But this starts another dilemma. How do you put Zardari behind bars when he's only done corruption, and how do you let IK walk free when he's OPENLY committed treason and then add Mushy's deal. So NS or anyone in power, can't do JACK in this situation.

You put one of the three in Jail, you invite legal and civil issues that could do as far as a civil war in Pakistan. So if you don't have a FULL grasp of the issues on hand, may be you should first understand the complexity and then make emotional statements?? This is the main issues with IK followers, neither IK, nor his people have any real clue about the complexity involved. You let these fools run a country, they'll end up destroying it or breaking it!!! Worst yet, IK isn't learning or doing anything in KPK, which, if he had paid real attention, would've actually trained him for a higher role and he would've learned a LOT by being involved.

The age per medical science, to learn "new things, roles and responsibilities" ends at 40 years. IK is about 25+ years past that!!!! He should now be looking at resting in peace at some point and doing good to have a good ending. Not bashing people and cursing others daughters and threatening everyone!!! Old man's gone nutty!!

 

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Why blame the present and the past government? who are the Project managers, Operations managers, energy minister? And why can they add an additional treatment plant? hell why can't you get NG onsite? Why would NG disappear in 2 years? Why is there no Public Investigation Litigation on this? what about external auditors, any reports?

What specific equipment (sensitive and super expensive) are you referring to ? Which manufacturer?

Its a complex issue but as always the propagandists from IK are going to blame it on NS. Just the way propaganda works. You are asking ALL the common sense based right questions. But IK's people don't have the brain power to ask these questions or they ignore it. So at the end, everything becomes NS's fault, irrespective of the tremendous amounts of progress he's brought to Pakistan in just mere three years.

This is the FUNDAMENTAL difference between a successful India and a backwards Pakistan, which is finally moving towards advancement. In India, no matter how much people hate their rulers, they work as a team for INDIA. In Pakistan, no matter how much anyone work or don't work, everyone just blindly supports their own politician, often leaving their country behind and putting their personal preferences above the country's and so is the case here.

This equipment was ordered many years ago. Zardari, whenever in power, directly or indirectly, has a "special tax" aka, the bribe, that has to be paid even at a much lower level like $ 1-2 million dollar worth of imports like little parts (he's that cheap)!!! So if you as an importer or as a manufacturer don't give it, he'll have your stuff sealed and disappeared off the port. And that's what happened to the machinery.

Now the Chinese company involved waited and waited and then decided to leave and took a loss due to labor costs, and all. NS came into the power, reviewed the project, read the initial feasibility and re-did the assessments on the project.

As you are in the industry too I think (we had that salary discussion one time), so you would know how project assessments are. They conducted all those re-assessments and realized they'd have to pay more fees for the Chinese to re-engage as they took a loss waiting for the machinery and left in Zardari's time.

Since the machinery made it to Pakistan's port, it was left at the port in extremely bad weather and humid conditions and no one knew that the parts inside some of the generators and other sensitive control units had gone bad (corrosion and oxidation of parts, metal inside the generator and other machines).

So knowing that the project was a quick one to implement and would provide very quick electricity that can help the country's industry (this power plant is close to a LOT of industry and manufacturing in Pakistan), and that every Watt of energy available quickly was needed to enable businesses to run (Specially Textile for GSP plus), the government decided to swallow the bitter pill and implement the project, FULLY DISCLOSING the facts that the project cost has gone way up as the work was already behind, the Chinese had to be re-engaged and the entire team needed to be assembled and all, as the last time around the Chinese sat there for months waiting for party and had back dated dues to the government of Pakistan.

So after disclosing the cost factor, and knowing the quick implementation of this project through re-assessment done by professionals (as well as Audits from Transparency international, etc), the decision was made to continue on with the project due to its strategic nature and quick electric production capability, albeit more expensive (not uncommon in these situations), but providing a huge lift to the industry which was needed to produce for Textile to support European GSP Plus orders (in billions), which would've easily negate the higher cost factor if the project became functional right away.

The machinery was released and shipped and installed on priority basis. It started to work and it worked at its FULL capacity for a week (as outlined in the project's re-assessment, to produce 420+ MW's), before breaking down. Now the troubleshooting starts. Due to years long wait and these machines sitting on the port without usage, the 3 year manufacturer's warranty had run out.

Thinking the generator issues are no different than what's in other power plants, the Pakistani engineers, through tech support from the Chinese, tried to fix the issues. Obviously, it took them a while, then parts ordering to China and getting shipments and all and then parts of the plant started to produce electricity again in sub-capacity. But, by now, there were consistent issues, resulting in the newer turbines being totally down.

That's when the manufacturer was re-engaged and they sent their engineers, which again took weeks to inspect the equipment and then provide detailed assessment on corrosion and associated damage. Some parts were ordered and many parts weren't even available as these aren't groceries that the parts are available at your local wholesale stores.

The Chinese now suggested to give them the project, and let them bring their own labor who is used to working these machines and a new contract is either being signed or has already been signed. Under which, they'll replace parts and overhaul these generators to whatever extent needed. But the cost obviously goes further up. And that it would be faster to use all Chinese engineers used to implement these plants across the globe, then using newly trained Pakistani engineers as time and money was of essence.

There have been a few hundred people (professionals with decades of experience in power generation) involved with this massive project from the Pakistani side, including project and program managers, the power plants management and all. Plus, not all 100 projects go well. If 75% of the project Pakistan got going on, go online on time, starting 2018, Pakistan will start to show a different face to the world. A much more advanced one than say just three years ago.

Irrespective of other stuff, I don't understand how its ALL NS's fault, just like my Dog having a diarrhea is somehow NS's fault too, if you ask an IK follower.

Man, look how much effort I put in for you. My hands hurt with so much typing. But I am glad the full story is out for people's reference, once and for all!!!

U need to see a good mental Dr u patwari accept the reality the truth u have issue with ik fine may be ur sister want to marry him that why u worriing about his family life get life patwari metha metha hup hup karwa karwa thu wont work i challenge u ask ur boss if he has balls put him in jail with his kawaja sara asif with saad too .Nandipur who ever ate carrots patwari wil get electrolyte .Now grow up little up face the reality stop being a bigot

Thank you for showing your REAL face like your leader IK!!! Calling others family, mother and sisters out in disrespectful manner seems to be you guys logic. That's why you've turned off half the Pakistan from ever voting for IK. No one likes anyone's families being disrespected when the actual issue is a factual issue needing facts!!! It is a medical fact that people who have issues in managing relationships aren't loyal. I can prove it and any doctor on here can prove it too. If you don't have the facts, don't insult others, you don't have to respond you know.

@Slav Defence @Irfan Baloch @Oscar : guys......read above. Is this why people come here so they can make demeaning and derogatory remarks about others family members when we are in the middle of a fact base discussion??? I think this member should be banned to be frank.