NA adopts 21st Constitutional Amendment unopposed

[Hyperion]

Fvck PPO.... it's as fangless as any other court. These ASWJ pigs need to be tried and hung under military courts.

ASWJ meets the definition of political party as they participate in elections . But then there are special courts that are established under Pakistani Protection ordinance last week. If terrorists tries to take technical advantage over semantics, they can still be tried in PPO courts.

 

[syedali73]

Fvck PPO.... it's as fangless as any other court. These ASWJ pigs need to be tried and hung under military courts.

The proposed military courts are as much if not more fangless. Now they have allowed convicted from the MC to appeal in the SC, and one needs not to be very intelligent to guess the outcome of such appeals.

 

[VCheng]

I understand that Pakistani members are happy about this development, but I have a question - being a Devil's Advocate here.

Should you also not consider that this would be an infringement on the rights of civilians? There is a reason that Courts are there.

There is always a balance that has to be maintained and allowing civilians to be trialed in Military courts would upset that and set a very bad precedent for the future. One that can be misused in multiple scenarios and to horrible consequences.

P.S: Not voted.

@Oscar @Syed.Ali.Haider @Fulcrum15

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

 

[Hyperion]

And SC will do what it always does..... I mean what the fvck! @Fulcrum15, do you have full text of the amendment?

The proposed military courts are as much if not more fangless. Now they have allowed convicted from the MC to appeal in the SC, and one needs not to be very intelligent to guess the outcome of such appeals.

 

[Saifullah Sani]

Lawmakers from Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, Jamaat-e-Islami, Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl and Sheikh Rasheed abstained from voting.

NA passes 21st Constitutional Amendment, Army Act Amendment – The Express Tribune

 

[Al Bhatti]

On a side note, in haramzadon key chatkharey hi khatam nahin ho rahey. These bastards are fighting a war.


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All the members made sure they were the first to arrive, otherwise all would have come taking their own time

 

[Bang Galore]

Unfortunately or fortunately, any law can be challenged in the Supreme court and SC can ask the law makers to modify the law(s). The amendment can and will be challenged on either of the following two grounds:

1. Fundamental rights of the people are getting affected.
2. The very structure of the constitution is being affected..

That's interesting information. Almost any such challenge (like such challenges elsewhere in Asia & commonwealth countries) will cite the Indian supreme court's ruling on the basic structure doctrine. If the Pakistani Supreme Court accepts that position & there is an more than even chance that they might, this amendment might not stand.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

These moron politicians are trying General Raheel's nerves. Lets see how long he tolerates this crap before getting snapped real hard.

what about if a political worker is found / caught in the act of terrorism?
he will wave his party ID and walk free?

its like Chor ki dari may She'teer... why thee politicians are worried about the act which is aimed at punishing enemies who have waged war against the state and its people?

That's interesting information. Almost any such challenge (like such challenges elsewhere in Asia & commonwealth countries) will cite the Indian supreme court's ruling on the basic structure doctrine. If the Pakistani Supreme Court accepts that position & there is an more than even chance that they might, this amendment might not stand.

this is exactly what a former judge has said.in a program with Dr Shahid masood
saying that any such amendment or bill ... will be shot down by the SC judges which the supreme court "sees" contrary to the spirit of the constitution
he actually listed out every option SC has to nuke any attempt to institute these courts.


this is the reason why.. the SC is in a hurry to bail LeT and LeJ terrorists. its their way of putting pressure and expressing their power to the military and the government.

 

[Judge]

Military courts are only hearing/ punishing terrorists.

Civilian court's constant failures, judge's fear for life, judge's sympathy to terrorists have lead to this amendment.

Military courts are set up for 2 years only until when almost all if not every single terrorist is punished.

Yes, I am aware of these problems that the Courts and Judges are facing and they being terrorist sympathizers.
The solution then is to strengthen the Court premises, strengthen the protection given to the Judges. Let the military be given the task to protect the Judges.

And impeach and fire those Judges who let terrorists go despite evidence. Impeach one Judge and the rest will fall in line. This can be done as majority of Pakistan's Parliament supports the removal of terrorism.

If these military courts are a violation of human rights, then why is this being implemented on Army personnel? Aren't thy humans?

These aren't normal circumstances...they demand extraordinary solutions.

The same criticism held true for the Nuremberg trials as well I believe, but in the end, they were deemed necessary.

No my friend. I dont know about Pakistan but any member of Indian Defense Services(even the barber) forgoes his a set of Fundamental Rights the moment he Joins service. The members of the Defense Services have limited Fundamental Rights given to them.

What civilians are we talking about here???? you are no more a civilian when u carry a gun & start killing innocent people around you....

Devil Soul, let us not indulge in hyperbole.
I agree that the terrorists deserve harsh punishment, heck I personally believe they deserve death penalty, but the question here is the method followed to achieve that.

Courts in Pakistan are totally worthless. For example, if I were to shoot dead any person today, I'm confident that no FIR can even be registered against me, let alone a case. Me being a nice person with some morals don't go about shooting people, however, not everyone is as cultured as me!

**** the judiciary.......

The issue here is that in a country with very weak Institutions, would this not setup a massive precedent for future actions by the Military or any Tyrant who seeks power.

This is a very dangerous road Pakistan is walking on though the goal is noble.
Do it the right way now when you have the majority of the Parliament and public opinion on your side and you will never face this problem again, you will strengthen the system for a hundred years.

Use a short cut now and it will blow back some day.

 

[Menace2Society]

its like Chor ki dari may She'teer... why thee politicians are worried about the act which is aimed at punishing enemies who have waged war against the state and its people?

Unless they are guilty...

 

[syedali73]

And SC will do what it always does..... I mean what the fvck! @Fulcrum15, do you have full text of the amendment?

1. The Constitution (Twenty First Amendment) Act, 2015

2. The Pakistan Army (Amendment), Act, 2015

The Pakistan Army (Amendment) Bill, 2015 (Clause 2)

 

[Strigon]

Yes, I am aware of these problems that the Courts and Judges are facing and they being terrorist sympathizers.
The solution then is to strengthen the Court premises, strengthen the protection given to the Judges. Let the military be given the task to protect the Judges.

And impeach and fire those Judges who let terrorists go despite evidence. Impeach one Judge and the rest will fall in line. This can be done as majority of Pakistan's Parliament supports the removal of terrorism.

Those solutions would remedy almost the whole problem but the govt. isn't willing to do anything at all. They are already scared shitless hoping military courts don't hang them too. The govt. releases harsh statements, invites opposition to dinner and tea parties for laughs and giggles they aint 1 bit serious about rectifying the problem. This amendment really is public's directions and probably forced down govt.'s throat by General Raheel Shareef who doesnt want this but has no other choice.

 

[Bang Galore]

this is exactly what a former judge has said.in a program with Dr Shahid masood
saying that any such amendment or bill ... will be shot down by the SC judges which the supreme court "sees" contrary to the spirit of the constitution
he actually listed out every option SC has to nuke any attempt to institute these courts.

I would wager that this amendment has a very difficult path ahead of it especially because of the basic structure doctrine which even though is an Indian judicial principle, was influenced originally by Chief Justice Alvin Robert Cornelius's ruling in 1963 that the President of Pakistan could not alter the “fundamental features” of their Constitution. With such history, I seriously doubt that this amendment will be left alone by the Pakistani SC.

 

[Jango]

The whole APC was a useless exercise to begin with. The three biggies, the PM, the COAS/JCSC, and the CJ had to meet and decide what to do next and once decided, asked the Parliament/Senate to put their stamps on. You are saying that the Army/JAG branch is contacting the judiciary but I have yet to hear a news regarding COAS/JCSC meeting with the CJ. Without having CJ on board, this amendment is going no where IMHO.

Time will tell I guess!

And I agree with you that APC's were absolutely needless...11 saal say hum national consensus par hi atkay huay hain...sab ko danday kay zor par line par lao and then deal with this menace.

At least this time the whole process was fast tracked.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I would wager that this amendment has a very difficult path ahead of it especially because of the basic structure doctrine which even though is an Indian judicial principle, was influenced originally by Chief Justice Alvin Robert Cornelius's ruling in 1963 that the President of Pakistan could not alter the “fundamental features” of their Constitution. With such history, I seriously doubt that this amendment will be left alone by the Pakistani SC.

the way LeJ & LeT terrorists walk in the court makes me sick. instead of behaving as accused, they walk as judges.

I would say that Bollywood for once doesn't exaggerate when it shows powerful villains deciding the fate of people and toying with the justice system and police.