NA adopts 21st Constitutional Amendment unopposed

[Menace2Society]

All maulanas will be running to find their burkhas.

 

[Strigon]

I understand that Pakistani members are happy about this development, but I have a question - being a Devil's Advocate here.

Should you also not consider that this would be an infringement on the rights of civilians? There is a reason that Courts are there.

There is always a balance that has to be maintained and allowing civilians to be trialed in Military courts would upset that and set a very bad precedent for the future. One that can be misused.

@Oscar @Syed.Ali.Haider @Fulcrum15

Military courts are only hearing/ punishing terrorists.

Civilian court's constant failures, judge's fear for life, judge's sympathy to terrorists have lead to this amendment.

Military courts are set up for 2 years only until when almost all if not every single terrorist is punished.

 

[Jango]

I understand that Pakistani members are happy about this development, but I have a question - being a Devil's Advocate here.

Should you also not consider that this would be an infringement on the rights of civilians? There is a reason that Courts are there.

There is always a balance that has to be maintained and allowing civilians to be trialed in Military courts would upset that and set a very bad precedent for the future. One that can be misused in multiple scenarios and to horrible consequences.

@Oscar @Syed.Ali.Haider @Fulcrum15

If these military courts are a violation of human rights, then why is this being implemented on Army personnel? Aren't thy humans?

These aren't normal circumstances...they demand extraordinary solutions.

The same criticism held true for the Nuremberg trials as well I believe, but in the end, they were deemed necessary.

 

[syedali73]

I don't think the Supreme Court will be willing to take a completely opposite stance to the public opinion. There have been some rumors about Army and especially JAG branch contacting judiciary regarding this issue.

If they do entertain such a case and put down this amendment, I would lose all hope for this country. Then only martial law or emergency will be the remaining way out.

Judge, maulvi and media...the three biggest hurdles in eliminating terrorism in Pakistan IMO.

The whole APC was a useless exercise to begin with. The three biggies, the PM, the COAS/JCSC, and the CJ had to meet and decide what to do next and once decided, asked the Parliament/Senate to put their stamps on. You are saying that the Army/JAG branch is contacting the judiciary but I have yet to hear a news regarding COAS/JCSC meeting with the CJ. Without having CJ on board, this amendment is going no where IMHO.

 

[Devil Soul]

I understand that Pakistani members are happy about this development, but I have a question - being a Devil's Advocate here.

Should you also not consider that this would be an infringement on the rights of civilians? There is a reason that Courts are there.

There is always a balance that has to be maintained and allowing civilians to be trialed in Military courts would upset that and set a very bad precedent for the future. One that can be misused in multiple scenarios and to horrible consequences.

P.S: Not voted.

@Oscar @Syed.Ali.Haider @Fulcrum15

What civilians are we talking about here???? you are no more a civilian when u carry a gun & start killing innocent people around you....

 

[tarrar]

Corrupt politicians will only think for themselves, they can't bare the site to see their neck in the rope. The sources of problems are still untouched, which is to deal with Madressas run by fake mullahs & fake mullahs giving lie khatabs. Who will deal with political terrorists wings? they are & will be untouched thanks to corrupt politicians. Courts & SC will oppose every decision taken by Military courts as the courts have already started setting rented terrorists free. All these Amendments will not do any good as current politicians & politicians sitting in parliaments are friends of rented terrorists.

Ok, let's suppose this amendment will bring good, then I have a question on how PA will deal with unlimited flow of terrorism in Balochistan province, how will PA deal with fake mullah burqa who is sitting in the heart of Islamabad & spilling venom against Pakistan, daily. What can PA do to stop people like Achakzai & ANP who are getting full support from Afghanistan & India to oppose Pakistan. There are just so many problems & people are thinking this amendment will bring good.

The fact is if APC's, committees formed by Govt. & amendment could solve Pakistan problems then Pakistan today would had become No. 1 country in the world. We are just fooled nothing else. I only see tons & tons of problems coming Pakistan way & these corrupt politicians are source of it.

 

[syedali73]

If these military courts are a violation of human rights, then why is this being implemented on Army personnel? Aren't thy humans?

The Army act favors Army and protects its personnel from being tried in a civilian court. When you amend the Army act and give it additional power to try civilians, you basically take away some powers from the civilian courts. There are way too many reasons for why this amendment will be challenged in the SC.

 

[Devil Soul]

BBC News - Pakistan votes for insurgents to face military trials
Pakistan's government has voted unanimously in favour of military trials for civilian terror suspects.

It is the latest attempt to step up Pakistan's anti-terror operations after December's attack on a school in Peshawar.

The attack, carried out by Taliban insurgents, left 152 people dead, including 133 children.

The bill will now pass to the upper house before being signed into law by the president later this week.

Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif said in late December that establishing military trials would help ensure "terrorists pay the price" for their "heinous acts".

The military and government have said the trials are a response to extraordinary circumstances and will only remain in place for a limited period.

Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan said last week that they would have a limited mandate, and that ordinary civilians would not be pursued by them.

The leader of the opposition, Syed Khursheed Ahmed Shah, said in parliament on Tuesday that while he had not been in favour of military courts in the past, "the Pakistani public's safety is our priority and it is the government's responsibility to keep the masses safe in this country".

"The bitter pill of this new law is being swallowed for the security of Pakistan," the Dawn newspaper quoted him as saying.

In the wake of the Peshawar attack, Pakistan also lifted a moratorium on the use of the death penalty, meaning hundreds now face execution.

Critics say this will not combat terrorism and will only perpetuate a cycle of violence.

The military has also stepped up its campaign against militants in the tribal areas in the north-west of the country.

 

[syedali73]

On a side note, in haramzadon key chatkharey hi khatam nahin ho rahey. These bastards are fighting a war.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

in other unrelated news, Pakistani judiciary stayed true to its track record by indicting ARY for "contempt of court" ,suspending the death sentences and releasing Lushker Jhangvi terrorists

 

[Hyperion]

Courts in Pakistan are totally worthless. For example, if I were to shoot dead any person today, I'm confident that no FIR can even be registered against me, let alone a case. Me being a nice person with some morals don't go about shooting people, however, not everyone is as cultured as me!

**** the judiciary.......

I understand that Pakistani members are happy about this development, but I have a question - being a Devil's Advocate here.

Should you also not consider that this would be an infringement on the rights of civilians? There is a reason that Courts are there.

There is always a balance that has to be maintained and allowing civilians to be trialed in Military courts would upset that and set a very bad precedent for the future. One that can be misused in multiple scenarios and to horrible consequences.

P.S: Not voted.

@Oscar @Syed.Ali.Haider @Fulcrum15

 

[Bratva]

Surprising no thread about it yet.

ISLAMABAD: The National Assembly on Tuesday adopted the 21st Constitutional Amendment unopposed after 247 Members of National Assembly voted in favour of the law aimed to set up constitutionally protected military courts to try civilian terrorism suspects, announced NA Speaker Sardar Ayaz Sadiq.

He added that not a single vote was cast against the amendment bill.

Members of the National Assembly belonging to the Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) and Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-F (JUI-F) abstained from voting.

The bill will now be presented in the Senate for passage tomorrow and is expected to be approved into law on either Wednesday or Thursday.

The constitutional amendment bill was required to be passed by two-thirds of the total participants in both the 342-seat National Assembly and the 104-seat Senate; however, for amendment in the Army Act, a simple majority was required.

Read more : Draft of amendment bill

The two bills – the Constitution (Twenty-first Amendment) Bill and the Pakistan Army (Amendment) — were expected to have been passed a day earlier but voting was deferred after the government fell short of the required two-thirds majority – 228 members – for the passage of the amendments.

NA adopts 21st Constitutional Amendment unopposed - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

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Diesel still making some troubles. He wants the clause about madressas and religious orgs to be omitted. Defeats the whole purpose of the amendment really.

Saleem Safi smoking some heavy sh!t as well these days. Comparing apples and oranges.

Now let's get this passed by the Senate tomorrow and then our invisible President signs it and we go after every terrorist we see.

The only thing the government has quickly and sensibly done in this tenure!

Final bill will be amended. MQM support is conditional on the basis if amendment is explicit about no political party worker would be tried under military courts

 

[Hyperion]

I hope, with the new amendments, LeJ and other ABCD's can be tried under military courts.

in other unrelated news, Pakistani judiciary stayed true to its track record by indicting ARY for "contempt of court" ,suspending the death sentences and releasing Lushker Jhangvi terrorists

LOL. This will fvck up things. Now LeJ/LeT and other "Sahaba" outfits will either come under PMLN / JI or JUIF..... here we go..... again........

Final bill will be amended. MQM support is conditional on the basis if amendment is explicit about no political party worker would be tried under military courts

 

[syedali73]

Final bill will be amended. MQM support is conditional on the basis if amendment is explicit about no political party worker would be tried under military courts

These moron politicians are trying General Raheel's nerves. Lets see how long he tolerates this crap before getting snapped real hard.

 

[Bratva]

I hope, with the new amendments, LeJ and other ABCD's can be tried under military courts.



LOL. This will fvck up things. Now LeJ/LeT and other "Sahaba" outfits will either come under PMLN / JI or JUIF..... here we go..... again........

ASWJ meets the definition of political party as they participate in elections . But then there are special courts that are established under Pakistani Protection ordinance last week. If terrorists tries to take technical advantage over semantics, they can still be tried in PPO courts.

@Fulcrum15 Wasn't it better if PPO courts were further strengthened through legislation instead of establishing parallel courts? It would have saved rona dhona and flip flops of political parties as well