Myth Of US Invincibility

[SQ8]

Well having seen how Iranian leaders appear to behave perhaps they will do the unexpected if they are attacked.

Just to give you an example in the Iraq war i always wandered what would happen whilst Americans were building up their forces in the region if Saddam had attacked before they were ready??

You never know.. its who makes the first move.. generally while the Americans claim to have made the second move..its usually them instigating conflicts.
Ill give you another scenario.. what if Saddam had backed off from Saudi Arabia and offered an oil share?
What if he said he wanted to attack Iran again?

And what if he had taken the guts to hit the Americans while they were building up?
Most Leaders of Third world countries are all talk and no bite, because they have already accepted defeat in their heads.
Saddam was self indulgent.. not a leader. Had there been an actual leader of the people.. GW1 may have had a different path to its eventual outcome..
Its easy for people all over to say they can take on the Americans and spill their blood on the ground..
But this changes a lot of minds

 

[Chogy]

Gen. Kernan's nuanced defense was that the simulation had necessarily been conducted in the vicinity of busy sea lanes, hence, in the presence of live commercial shipping; and this required the Navy to "turn off" some of its defenses, which it would not have done in a real wartime situation. All of which is probably true, but the general's remark that in a real Gulf war the fleet would be deployed differently, in a stand-off manner, with its over-the-horizon defenses fully operable, was a misrepresentation of the actual situation in the Persian Gulf, today. The US Navy's biggest problem operating in Gulf waters are the constraints that the region's confined spaces impose on US naval defenses, which were designed for the open sea. The Persian Gulf is nothing but a large lake, after all, and in such an environment the Navy's over-the-horizon defenses are seriously compromised.4 Nor can the Navy withdraw to a safe distance, so long as its close-in presence is required to support the US occupation forces in Iraq. The serious implications of this simple fact for a possible future conflict, for instance, involving Iran, have never, to my knowledge, been discussed in the US press.

This is an important paragraph. It appears that the games were pointed at Iran... and Iran has, for some time now, claimed military ownership of the Persian Gulf. There seems to be some expectation that a U.S. nuclear carrier will drive through the straights and simply park a dozen miles off shore.

It's not going to happen that way if it comes to conflict. The range of the Carrier force will allow operations in the Arabian Sea, well outside the Persian Gulf, and out of range of speed boats, silkworms, and other brown water Iranian assets.

Van Riper was handed a gift on a platter with the model fleet right off his shore line.

 

[VCheng]

This is an important paragraph. It appears that the games were pointed at Iran... and Iran has, for some time now, claimed military ownership of the Persian Gulf. There seems to be some expectation that a U.S. nuclear carrier will drive through the straights and simply park a dozen miles off shore.

It's not going to happen that way if it comes to conflict. The range of the Carrier force will allow operations in the Arabian Sea, well outside the Persian Gulf, and out of range of speed boats, silkworms, and other brown water Iranian assets.

Van Riper was handed a gift on a platter with the model fleet right off his shore line.

What better way to let a potential adversary overestimate their capabilities while playing down our own? That would be a classic setup for a rude awakening.

 

[RazPaK]

What better way to let a potential adversary overestimate their capabilities while playing down our own? That would be a classic setup for a rude awakening.

The status of your economy was definitely a rude awakening.

 

[VCheng]

The status of your economy was definitely a rude awakening.

The economy is doing just fine.

 

[RazPaK]

The economy is doing just fine.

How much you payin for Gas cheng?

 

[VCheng]

How much you payin for Gas cheng?

Just under $4 per gallon for premium.

 

[RazPaK]

Just under $4 per gallon for premium.

And what does Goldman Sachs have to say about 2012?

 

[VCheng]

And what does Goldman Sachs have to say about 2012?

You mean PDF's own Goldman Sachs (aka Aryan_B) or the real one?

To be serious, an election year plays funny tricks with the markets. Beyond 2013, there will be a period of slower growth, but overall the present imbalances will smooth out.

 

[RazPaK]

You mean PDF's own Goldman Sachs (aka Aryan_B) or the real one?

To be serious, an election year plays funny tricks with the markets. Beyond 2013, there will be a period of slower growth, but overall the present imbalances will smooth out.

Wishful thinking? In any case I hope so. I mean I work here too.

 

[VCheng]

Wishful thinking? In any case I hope so. I mean I work here too.

Wishful? Not at all!

To get back on topic, myths have always been associated with great power that is not understood by those who create or believe in the myths. From where I sit, I see no reason to create any myths, or even to disprove them.

The military, economic and social might of USA will continue to be overwhelmingly powerful for the foreseeable future, temporary setbacks notwithstanding.

No doubt about it at all.

 

[PERSIAN GOD KING]

Proven? Shows how ignorant you really are. The GPS network have been KNOWN to be vulnerable to interference, deliberate and accidental, SINCE THE DAY IT WAS CREATED. The system was never intended to be 100% secured between satellites and receivers. Am willing to bet that the reason it was intended that way is beyond your reasoning capability.

here we go again LOL, did your government not admit Iran has the UAV?

 

[gambit]

here we go again LOL, did your government not admit Iran has the UAV?

Just one? How many have we flown again since then? You mean Iran does not know?

 

[LetsGetRowdy]

that myth was broken in vietnam and korea. the US seemed invincible compared to these backyards countries with their 100 years advanced weapons. the US have powerful weapons but lacks courage and morale, which is why vietnam and north korea are still independent nations today.

 

[lem34]

Though I do not wish to see another war and the I think of Iran American war would be devastating for all I cant help but think that in recent years the American military hasn't really been tested against a half descent adversary. In the case of Iraq the only chance Saddam had was to attack whilst Americans were getting ready. Perhaps he never really believed he would be attacked.