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Myth Busted ? Decoding Chinese power play

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Busting the rhetoric of china.

Wow where do I start . With china's warning india to stop infrastructure development on Indian side or string of pearls.

String of pearl is been countered by India big time. it's gonna back fire china for sure. The only thing all nation think of doing is to arm it's enemies enemy . This is the extend a country can go . One country is economically powerful so it aid it's enemy's enemy. Many countries won't do it cause it will be reciprocated. Which will actually destabilise the country's national security and lower balance.

But china already did it even with nuclear weapons. And India was so quite without retaliation . But this has changed . No wonder if we have new nuclear power Vietnam . Am just saying . Now India can actually sell weapons to scs nation by giving the reason of china weapon sale to Pakistan's(and others)
I never seen such confident in India among political class and people of my nation. China is been hated by all INDIANS EXCEPT some Chinese lobby in india. Like commis and other peace lover who want to live in peace with china and Pakistan even if they kill Indians or intrude and harass the local people . But these persons will be the first to kill his/her child abuser. Or any one who hurt their loved one....Weird .

But Coming to the point on topic . If Bhutan ready to challenge china I think the message is clear . India will be with its neighbours even incase of war with china. It like the nation which haven't stood up for chinese intrusion in the past is ready to go to an extend which will leads to war . WAR WITH CHINA is no more a big deal . As it will effect the development on the both side . So both side will try to calm the situation. Not even single bullets fired till now . Why? In fact the will be heavy than going on war with America. We just next door. Its will be terrible than ww2 atrocities.

This new govt is just awsome . Yesterday Minister told to media that India in the process to match border infrastructure of china . And work has already began. And am sure china want this to end . It already warned not to strain relationship by doing it and India anawerd with new 57+ posts at the border and bought new UAV to keep an eye on china's build up .But when else china can do ? Arming Pakistan . Yes it's already doing it . War ? Don't even dream about it . It's not gonna happen . Even if it did it's gonna be a decline of fairy tale stories on chinese military build up. Till now china threatened it's neighbours. With its steroids boosted economy as it's weapon of mass destruction when asian country's economy was down grading including India's. But thinks are changing pretty fast . Because of new proactive actions by govt of India to open trade routes and Co operation on defence . From R&D to manufacture . If my assessment is correct we can expect joint defence project with many SCS countries and not years to come . And it will very fast than you expect. Mainly in the field of Navy warfare and missiles. India right now has the best missiles technology provided by US (via Israeli) Russia and many others. When china use and upgrade it's soviet era technology brought to china by soviet scientists and reverse engineering. If India offers its facilities to be used for manufacturing and maintaining defence equipments it's more than enough for many asian and latin nations will consider Co op with india. It will be the end of Chinese domination as Asia's largest weapon exporter. Atleast it will get hurt .just today (before 12 ) India made Bangladesh to choose Russian weapon /submarines over chinese as india can provide support in maintaining them at less cost(if this is true) . But what china can do about it ? Only option is to send Pakistan rangers to bomb indian village and destabilise the morale of the country . But it already doing it right ?


And what about China's string of pearls ? Its is actually a camouflage to hide it's weaknesses in Indian ocean . If chinese plan thinking about Naval War with India with its massive fleet surface and sub vessels it gonna end up with huge disappointment. As India already started to dominate it's interest all around the world atleast it's own water boundaries . Both the super powers us and russian actually want IN to grow in numbers . Cause china is not trustworthy.

So what else china can do ? Snap ties and stop trade ? It will be most welcomed in India.Current trade is highly one sided toward china. It will also boost domestic products from toys to crackers , from glasses to turbine.

So what else ? Arm Srilanka , Bangladesh Myanmar ? And then what ? LOL . First of all china don't have capacity to mass produce high quality and decent weapon system because it's cost a tone.Very expensive. Just think if Russia want to produce 200/300 su 35 ? Not only for them but also to arm others at free of cost ? Never . Which they actually dont have . That's why they are buying weapons from Russia in many billions . Even thou it's Fan boys brag about its domestic weapon . And maintenance is the himalian task for perfect fighting machine and think about the copycat version . Maintenance is actually heavy price to pay than buying new weapons from China. Mishaps and poor spare quality is tge problem faced by Chinese customers all around tge world . Not just defence but in domestic products aswell .

As far as am concerned . The Myth is already busted.Not before but after Modi took over. Every move is planned with all kind of response from China . Be it kisses or war . The only thing yet to burst is its economic bubble in china.Its actually the favourite topic for many western journo. Chinese may say thr it's just a play by CIA or us propaganda. But it's not .Just search in Google and youtube. Which created ghost cities all across the country .Reports are the the Chinese are destroying good buildings, newly built bridges and building new one . Just to give jobs to its world's largest labour force. These labours are paid from their own money paid as tax . Wait for it . It's already over due. Wage increase is the concern of its labour force. We say protests on this issue .If China increase their wages it will also increase the price of Chinese products. Which was its one and only benefits of buying their goods. Isn't it ? No one will buy chinese mobile for example if the price is same as branded mobiles .

So what next ? Nuclear War ? I must say India might have its No first use policy . But these policies won't do good if nation is invaded right? . But am not sure . It's upto the then govt and military establishment to take call on nuke policies .Its hard to predict the Nuclear strategy of India. And what is the use of having 3000 nuclear missiles when 5/6 nuclear detonation is enough to send massive land mass like china to its stone age. So its a loss of both . Retaliation is obvious. And China and India know about it . So this not gonna happen. China may send their Pakistan friends to threaten india with nuclear explosions. It will stay there .As rhetoric. India and even Pakistan in this case enough nuclear warhead to destroy china . So am not interested in nuclear war fairy tale. I'm today's world American will be fool ti use nuclear weapon on anyone. Its 21st century not ww2 era.

Ok what else . Just sit and stare at wat india is doing. Building forward posts and bunkers , weapon sale to scs , new trade route to counter chinese proposed silk route , import lots of high tech weapon and make in india. Man india is actually realising it's true potential and decoded the bluff played by china.Only counter as per chinese rhetorical is to go ahead with its rhetoric plan of world invasion or string of pearl . Its juvenile for China to overestimate it's military power that too when heavy weight countries are at its door step. China must be puzzled .

Weapons are not needed to be shiny but effective. Asia will be the next big surprise of this century. But can china survive ? With its ego ? Or will it commit suicide but attacking even Taiwan . Which is right under its nose with much less capability than India . If nations given option to choose between India and China . AM DAMN SURE MOST WILL CHOOSE TO BE WITH INDIA . Because leadership is the quality of every Indian . We respect others sentiment and their concerns. We already proved it in the past .We will never invade any nations even if it's military is very tiny.
I really wonder what will china do if world recognise tibet as a sovereign nation. With pressure from Indian establishment not now but definitely in the future. India can inflict more damage to both China and Pakistan .We did in 60s(alleged ;) ) but we are not at present. Things already changed in India. Policies must be revisited and revised to retaliatory mode. Untill then we will keep hearing this chinese myth fairy tale every now and then. What you see outside may not be the same inside.

These are just my view.. I really like to hear from you..Feel free to express you comments .
What do you think about these points . Your view please
 
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Lets start with a logical question - what is india's strategic leverage?

India's strategic leverage is its Bollywood movies, which are popular all over the world. :D

Now whats Pakistan's strategic leverage?

"Zaid hamid's pranks and Imran bhai on PDF." In last 10 years only these two have made us look into Pakistan positively who have something to be proud of. Pakistan's greatest contribution to the world inlast 10 years. Really enjoyed and thanks. :D
 
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Not interested in hearing anything the OP has got to say about China。

Just would like him to know that I‘ve read the 1st line。:D

Good day and goodbye。:wave:
 
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Lets start with a logical question - what is india's strategic leverage?


Apart from good relation with Sri Lanka,Myanmar, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Bhutan;

The fact that Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Bhutan could not go against what India interest since China is not powerful enough to save them from wrath of a truly pissed off India.

Along with threat of India joining anti China Pivot of US and exploiting China's problem with it's neighbours. India could also start and run an insurgency in Tibet. India has a Division of Tibet army ( 10,000 strong ) attached as auxillaries. They could start an insurgency on much larger scale than even cave dwelling talibaboons could do.


In it's string of Pearl strategy, China only has a pearl ( gwadar ) and no string.
 
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Apart from good relation with Sri Lanka,Myanmar, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Bhutan;

The fact that Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, and Bhutan could not go against what India interest since China is not powerful enough to save them from wrath of a truly pissed off India.

Along with threat of India joining anti China Pivot of US and exploiting China's problem with it's neighbours. India could also start and run an insurgency in Tibet. India has a Division of Tibet army ( 10,000 strong ) attached as auxillaries. They could start an insurgency on much larger scale than even cave dwelling talibaboons could do.


In it's string of Pearl strategy, China only has a pearl ( gwadar ) and no string.





India fund Tibet insurgency in China?
 
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Busting the rhetoric of china.

Wow where do I start . With china's warning india to stop infrastructure development on Indian side or string of pearls.

String of pearl is been countered by India big time. it's gonna back fire china for sure. The only thing all nation think of doing is to arm it's enemies enemy . This is the extend a country can go . One country is economically powerful so it aid it's enemy's enemy. Many countries won't do it cause it will be reciprocated. Which will actually destabilise the country's national security and lower balance.

But china already did it even with nuclear weapons. And India was so quite without retaliation . But this has changed . No wonder if we have new nuclear power Vietnam . Am just saying . Now India can actually sell weapons to scs nation by giving the reason of china weapon sale to Pakistan's(and others)
I never seen such confident in India among political class and people of my nation. China is been hated by all INDIANS EXCEPT some Chinese lobby in india. Like commis and other peace lover who want to live in peace with china and Pakistan even if they kill Indians or intrude and harass the local people . But these persons will be the first to kill his/her child abuser. Or any one who hurt their loved one....Weird .

But Coming to the point on topic . If Bhutan ready to challenge china I think the message is clear . India will be with its neighbours even incase of war with china. It like the nation which haven't stood up for chinese intrusion in the past is ready to go to an extend which will leads to war . WAR WITH CHINA is no more a big deal . As it will effect the development on the both side . So both side will try to calm the situation. Not even single bullets fired till now . Why? In fact the will be heavy than going on war with America. We just next door. Its will be terrible than ww2 atrocities.

This new govt is just awsome . Yesterday Minister told to media that India in the process to match border infrastructure of china . And work has already began. And am sure china want this to end . It already warned not to strain relationship by doing it and India anawerd with new 57+ posts at the border and bought new UAV to keep an eye on china's build up .But when else china can do ? Arming Pakistan . Yes it's already doing it . War ? Don't even dream about it . It's not gonna happen . Even if it did it's gonna be a decline of fairy tale stories on chinese military build up. Till now china threatened it's neighbours. With its steroids boosted economy as it's weapon of mass destruction when asian country's economy was down grading including India's. But thinks are changing pretty fast . Because of new proactive actions by govt of India to open trade routes and Co operation on defence . From R&D to manufacture . If my assessment is correct we can expect joint defence project with many SCS countries and not years to come . And it will very fast than you expect. Mainly in the field of Navy warfare and missiles. India right now has the best missiles technology provided by US (via Israeli) Russia and many others. When china use and upgrade it's soviet era technology brought to china by soviet scientists and reverse engineering. If India offers its facilities to be used for manufacturing and maintaining defence equipments it's more than enough for many asian and latin nations will consider Co op with india. It will be the end of Chinese domination as Asia's largest weapon exporter. Atleast it will get hurt .just today (before 12 ) India made Bangladesh to choose Russian weapon /submarines over chinese as india can provide support in maintaining them at less cost(if this is true) . But what china can do about it ? Only option is to send Pakistan rangers to bomb indian village and destabilise the morale of the country . But it already doing it right ?


And what about China's string of pearls ? Its is actually a camouflage to hide it's weaknesses in Indian ocean . If chinese plan thinking about Naval War with India with its massive fleet surface and sub vessels it gonna end up with huge disappointment. As India already started to dominate it's interest all around the world atleast it's own water boundaries . Both the super powers us and russian actually want IN to grow in numbers . Cause china is not trustworthy.

So what else china can do ? Snap ties and stop trade ? It will be most welcomed in India.Current trade is highly one sided toward china. It will also boost domestic products from toys to crackers , from glasses to turbine.

So what else ? Arm Srilanka , Bangladesh Myanmar ? And then what ? LOL . First of all china don't have capacity to mass produce high quality and decent weapon system because it's cost a tone.Very expensive. Just think if Russia want to produce 200/300 su 35 ? Not only for them but also to arm others at free of cost ? Never . Which they actually dont have . That's why they are buying weapons from Russia in many billions . Even thou it's Fan boys brag about its domestic weapon . And maintenance is the himalian task for perfect fighting machine and think about the copycat version . Maintenance is actually heavy price to pay than buying new weapons from China. Mishaps and poor spare quality is tge problem faced by Chinese customers all around tge world . Not just defence but in domestic products aswell .

As far as am concerned . The Myth is already busted.Not before but after Modi took over. Every move is planned with all kind of response from China . Be it kisses or war . The only thing yet to burst is its economic bubble in china.Its actually the favourite topic for many western journo. Chinese may say thr it's just a play by CIA or us propaganda. But it's not .Just search in Google and youtube. Which created ghost cities all across the country .Reports are the the Chinese are destroying good buildings, newly built bridges and building new one . Just to give jobs to its world's largest labour force. These labours are paid from their own money paid as tax . Wait for it . It's already over due. Wage increase is the concern of its labour force. We say protests on this issue .If China increase their wages it will also increase the price of Chinese products. Which was its one and only benefits of buying their goods. Isn't it ? No one will buy chinese mobile for example if the price is same as branded mobiles .

So what next ? Nuclear War ? I must say India might have its No first use policy . But these policies won't do good if nation is invaded right? . But am not sure . It's upto the then govt and military establishment to take call on nuke policies .Its hard to predict the Nuclear strategy of India. And what is the use of having 3000 nuclear missiles when 5/6 nuclear detonation is enough to send massive land mass like china to its stone age. So its a loss of both . Retaliation is obvious. And China and India know about it . So this not gonna happen. China may send their Pakistan friends to threaten india with nuclear explosions. It will stay there .As rhetoric. India and even Pakistan in this case enough nuclear warhead to destroy china . So am not interested in nuclear war fairy tale. I'm today's world American will be fool ti use nuclear weapon on anyone. Its 21st century not ww2 era.

Ok what else . Just sit and stare at wat india is doing. Building forward posts and bunkers , weapon sale to scs , new trade route to counter chinese proposed silk route , import lots of high tech weapon and make in india. Man india is actually realising it's true potential and decoded the bluff played by china.Only counter as per chinese rhetorical is to go ahead with its rhetoric plan of world invasion or string of pearl . Its juvenile for China to overestimate it's military power that too when heavy weight countries are at its door step. China must be puzzled .

Weapons are not needed to be shiny but effective. Asia will be the next big surprise of this century. But can china survive ? With its ego ? Or will it commit suicide but attacking even Taiwan . Which is right under its nose with much less capability than India . If nations given option to choose between India and China . AM DAMN SURE MOST WILL CHOOSE TO BE WITH INDIA . Because leadership is the quality of every Indian . We respect others sentiment and their concerns. We already proved it in the past .We will never invade any nations even if it's military is very tiny.
I really wonder what will china do if world recognise tibet as a sovereign nation. With pressure from Indian establishment not now but definitely in the future. India can inflict more damage to both China and Pakistan .We did in 60s(alleged ;) ) but we are not at present. Things already changed in India. Policies must be revisited and revised to retaliatory mode. Untill then we will keep hearing this chinese myth fairy tale every now and then. What you see outside may not be the same inside.

These are just my view.. I really like to hear from you..Feel free to express you comments .
What do you think about these points . Your view please

It's a lot different from what you have said. Completely different actually. First of all, look at the reality: China is economically stronger than India. If there is a War, China would clearly have the upper hand when it comes to economy, logistics and general upkeep for their military. Then, China's military is not as under-equipped as you seem to believe. They have more than enough Aircraft and Naval forces to defeat India easily. Technologically, India and China are on similar levels, with China having a slight advantage.
A few border posts and drones are worthless when you're talking about an all out war. India's indigenous weapons industry is inadequate when compared to China's.

In your post, you have just said that China's navy is weak without any reasoning behind it. China's navy, when supported by its huge economy and decent airforce is actually a formidable force.

If we are to ignore the political context and focus on the Military aspects alone, China can clearly and realistically defeat India in a war. A war like that will most likely turn into a war of attrition, where China clearly has the upper hand.

But, the political context is very important. Like you said, China is likely to resort to proxies like Pakistan to keep building some pressure on India. But that's not all.

Over here, we must see who's side the rest of the superpowers take. The US will most likely back India on this one. Russia? Hard to say. They may support India in an attempt to counter US influence. Or, they would support China, a way more important ally in economic and geopolitical terms. More realistically, Russia will try to stay neutral. But their stakes are high. If China is somehow defeated, probably through US help (and sanctions), Russia's geopolitical position with both India and China will weaken and US influence will increase regardless. So, behind the scenes, Russia will most certainly support China on this one, even if only to counter the US.
However, this may result in Russia losing it's ambitions with BRICS and economic co-operation with India, as it would have to chose between China or India.
It is quite possible that Russia would pressurize India to stop, possibly even threatening it with sanctions. A lot of India's weapons and equipment come from Russia and they'd definitely need some help with that if it turns into a war of attrition. Of course, we must not forget Pakistan's role here. China would probably offer Pakistan enough incentive to counter the effects of any US sanctions. With India fighting China on side, Pakistan can really easily swoop in and do some serious damage from the other front.

The US's options will become limited here. It wouldn't want to let China win there, that'd be a huge gain for China if they could politically control India and the US would definitely not like that. What would they do? Sanction China? China will just sanction them back, that's like economic MAD (mutually assured destruction).
This would degenerate into a total shitstorm really quick.
It is quite possible that this conflict would turn into a World War.

So, to conclude, Indian politicians should keep their extremely unrealistic ambitions with themselves. At most, all India is capable of doing is making a dent in China's political dominance, which will most certainly be met with serious pressure from China. India can not, under any circumstances, afford to fight a two-front war. Right now Indian politicians are under Modi bravado-induced hallucinations. They're completely stupid if they think they can actually afford to seriously piss off both Pakistan and China at the same time. And the US is smarter than to rush to India's aid, so don't expect that - they'll support India like they did with every one of their 'allies', by being two-faced and playing double games.
Otherwise, nothing is 'busted'. China still remains the dominant political power in South Asia and India won't be overtaking them anytime soon.
 
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India fund Tibet insurgency in China?

India tried meddling in Tibet before in the 1960's.

Their reward was the 1962 war. And us helping Pakistan to become a nuclear power.

And they have lost their Tibet card too. Now even the Dalai Lama himself has agreed that Tibet is a part of China, and he only seeks "more autonomy". :lol: All that sacrifice from India, thrown away in an instant.
 
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No silly. There is no insurgency in Tibet.

We maintain auxillary Tibet army as a symbol of legitimate Tibet army. I was just saying that we could do with china what Pakistan did with India, only much better.




Why mention it if India not sponsor insurgence in China?
 
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