Myth and Facts about Syrian war

[500]

There are many myths about Syria war spread by Assad propagandists, which they repeat on and on. I decided to make a thread in order to not repeat answers.

1) Myth: Assad and Baath are only ones who can protect secular Syria and minorities.

Before Baath seized power in fascist coup Syria was one of the most secular and democratic countries in Arab world.

Syrian women:

Syrian Parliament in 1961 (last democratically elected parliament in Syria):

As u can see, no party had absolute majority. Muslim Brotherhood had only 10 seats out of 172. Syrians did much better without Assad and his Baath dictatorship.

2) Myth: Majority of Syrians support Assad.

As u can see above, on free elections Baath got just 20 seats out of 172. Assads ruled Syria for 40 years and during all that time they never made anything even remotely reminding free elections. Why they afraid of elections of majority supported them?

Also why they need Iraqi, Afghan, Iranian, Lebanese, Palestinian mercenaries if majority of Syrians support them? How possible to lose 2/3 of state territory to lightly armed rebels if u have thousands of tanks, hundreds of jets and majority support?

3) Myth: Syrian rebels are terrorists.

The overwhelming majority of civilians in Syria die as result of indiscriminate shelling, which is a war crime and act of terror. Assad and his allies are conducting indiscriminate shelling and bombings all over Syria every day.

Rebels also conduct indiscriminate shelling, but its limited primarily to Aleppo and its nowhere close to Assad attacks. Here UN destruction map clearly shows that virtually all the damage is in rebel held Aleppo:

Thus Assad and his allies are #1t terrorists in Syria.

Add to this Houla, Bayda and Banias massacres, where hundreds of kids were literally butchered in their beds. Official UN investigations concluded that these massacres were done by Assad troops.

 

[Madali]

Myth 4: Israelis care about the wellbeing of Syrian Muslims.

 

[Moon]

I have poor knowledge of Syria, but I'm pretty sure the:
Assad and Baath are only ones who can protect secular Syria and minorities.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/myth-and-facts-about-syrian-war.444040/#ixzz4HEtrieUd

Is meant for today, and not 1961. Isn't Assad''s the only reasonably large group and is opposed by anti-Assad groups which have poor coordination in between them?

Myth: Majority of Syrians support Assad.
Again:
I'm pretty sure they mean that Assad's support is large in the sense of "small majority " which is that although maybe more people oppose Assad, but that's all the common they have. Each opposition probably has its own ideology. Etc, etc....

Myth: Syrian rebels are terrorists.

This is a so-so, Syrian there might be good guys everywhere, and in no way am I implying that Assad is a saint. I agree he is guilty of war crimes, but as the saying goes "the first casualty of war is the truth".
And because of that we cannot rule out the war crimes Syrian rebels have committed. If we agree that Assad is no saint, then it must be agreed that the rebels aren't either.






(It should be noted that all this is my opinion and in no way do I support Assad or the Rebels, I hold a weak grasp of knowledge about the Syrian Civil War. And this post is in no way an insult to any race or creed etc.. I'm always open to discussion, but for now these are my views.)

 

[Aero]

Myth 4: Israelis care about the wellbeing of Syrian Muslims.

There are many myths about Syria war spread by Assad propagandists, which they repeat on and on. I decided to make a thread in order to not repeat answers.

1) Myth: Assad and Baath are only ones who can protect secular Syria and minorities.

Before Baath seized power in fascist coup Syria was one of the most secular and democratic countries in Arab world.

Syrian women:

Syrian Parliament in 1961 (last democratically elected parliament in Syria):

As u can see, no party had absolute majority. Muslim Brotherhood had only 10 seats out of 172. Syrians did much better without Assad and his Baath dictatorship.

2) Myth: Majority of Syrians support Assad.

As u can see above, on free elections Baath got just 20 seats out of 172. Assads ruled Syria for 40 years and during all that time they never made anything even remotely reminding free elections. Why they afraid of elections of majority supported them?

Also why they need Iraqi, Afghan, Iranian, Lebanese, Palestinian mercenaries if majority of Syrians support them? How possible to lose 2/3 of state territory to lightly armed rebels if u have thousands of tanks, hundreds of jets and majority support?

3) Myth: Syrian rebels are terrorists.

The overwhelming majority of civilians in Syria die as result of indiscriminate shelling, which is a war crime and act of terror. Assad and his allies are conducting indiscriminate shelling and bombings all over Syria every day.

Rebels also conduct indiscriminate shelling, but its limited primarily to Aleppo and its nowhere close to Assad attacks. Here UN destruction map clearly shows that virtually all the damage is in rebel held Aleppo:

Thus Assad and his allies are #1t terrorists in Syria.

Add to this Houla, Bayda and Banias massacres, where hundreds of kids were literally butchered in their beds. Official UN investigations concluded that these massacres were done by Assad troops.

Why all of rebels are sunni islamic?
Why don't they start big operation against IS but they do against Syrian gov.?
Why syrians of other than sunni are not fighting against Syrian govt.?

 

[500]

Why all of rebels are sunni islamic?
Why don't they start big operation against IS but they do against Syrian gov.?
Why syrians of other than sunni are not fighting against Syrian govt.?

1-3) Assad managed to turn this conflict into religious with his crazy barrel bombs, massacres and sectarian mercenaries.
2) Rebels to fight vs. IS, more over in North Aleppo when rebels fought IS Assad and his friends bombed rebels effectively serving as IS air force.

4) Myth: Ghouta chemical attack was carried out by rebels.

While UN commission did not point directly at perpetrator (it was not asked to do so), it did establish the following facts:

a) The Chemical attack was carried with these kind of rockets:

This type of rockets are called Burkan/Volcano and Assad is the only one who has them:

Encircled rebels in Ghouta could never get such rockets especially in big numbers.

b) UN established the trajectories of incoming rockets.

Again it clearly show that the attack came from Assad side.

c) UN commission also concluded that one who carried attack had access to Syrian army chemical stockpiles. Obviously encircled rebels in Ghouta had not such access.

http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/{65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9}/s_2013_553.pdf

So all 3 facts clearly indicate at Assad (not talking about the fact that all the victims were Assad enemies). There is ZERO evidence that rebels carried it.

 

[50cent]

Pictures speaks louder than words can any mature guy would wish these syrian rebels to takeover country and turn into wort fom of khawrji barbaric kingdom stop giving lame excuses to SUPPORT thease monsters .they even abused women putting them in cages

do u think any women deserve this kind of treatment imagine what types of crimes are they committing in in Aleppo. Last time few a guy managed to escape from seige he told to media that jihadis snatched every iteam of food jeweleryr money from civilans and civilans were left starving and were not allowed to leave rebel areas becasue thease monsters were usng using them as human shields so Government forces canot liberate them and in orderto slowdown saa advamce

 

[Hamza913]

Myth 4: Israelis care about the wellbeing of Syrian Muslims.

Myth 5: Iran cares about well being of Syrians.

@500 The rebels despise Israel, once they are done with Assad they are going to try and kill you, don't you think that maybe, just maybe it's a wise idea to make sure Assad stays in power or at least keeps them occupied?

Also, if the rebels take over, Syria will still fight for decades to comes, it will turn out just like Afghanistan. If Assad wins, Syria will be a much more prosperous nation and minorities will most certainly survive. If the rebels win, yes a lot of them will be nice to minorities, but the ones that won't will exterminate them, and it's not like anyone will stop them, because the trend you will notice among Syrian rebels is that the more brutal they are, the more power they have. Just look at the biggest rebel groups, ISIS and Al Nusra. They are absolutely horrible, and will kill anyone that gets in their way.

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

yes right and for Syria to have a democracy you need the rebels fighting right now to win then you will see elections between isil and al quaeda and other takfiri terror groups

 

[Sargon of Akkad]

Myth 4: Israelis care about the wellbeing of Syrian Muslims.

But Iranians do? We have all seen how much you care about the average Syrian. Let alone Arabs as a whole. I am sure that those millions of Syrians that escaped the onslaught of the Al-Assad regime agree with that notion.

Anyway what has Israel to do with the facts mentioned in the post? Why don't you try to dispute the facts instead? Something tells me that you are unable to do so. Hence the deflection of the topic and focus of the nationality of the author of the thread.

Israel has as much to do with what was written as Lesotho.

Why all of rebels are sunni islamic?
Why don't they start big operation against IS but they do against Syrian gov.?
Why syrians of other than sunni are not fighting against Syrian govt.?

So the around 1.5-2 million Syrian Kurds and around 1 million Syrian Turkmens who rebelled (by large) do not count? What about significant Druze communities based in mainly Southern Syria? What about all the Syrian Christian Arab and Assyrian members of rebel groups?

Do you know anything about the Syrian conflict at all? The Syrian opposition has fought more battles against ISIS than the Al-Assad regime. The same regime which cooperated with ISIS for years and which continues to buy oil from it. The same regime that hardly, even despite Russian involvement since September 2015, have struck Al-Raqqah.

Also you do realize that at least 75% of Syria's population is made up by Syrian Sunni Arabs. Last time I saw, at least according to democratic values, the majority decides.

Lastly if you bothered to read this thread you would have realized that Syria was always ruled by Syrian Sunni Arabs (what a surprise given the demographics) and that during pre-Assad dynasty rule there were no oppression of minorities.

Pictures speaks louder than words can any mature guy would wish these syrian rebels to takeover country and turn into wort fom of khawrji barbaric kingdom stop giving lame excuses to SUPPORT thease monsters .they even abused women putting them in cages

do u think any women deserve this kind of treatment imagine what types of crimes are they committing in in Aleppo. Last time few a guy managed to escape from seige he told to media that jihadis snatched every iteam of food jeweleryr money from civilans and civilans were left starving and were not allowed to leave rebel areas becasue thease monsters were usng using them as human shields so Government forces canot liberate them and in orderto slowdown saa advamce

The Al-Assad regime has tortured, killed, gassed, oppressed, destroyed etc. much, much more than the few marginal Syrian opposition groups who have engaged in such acts. Those acts, btw, are a joke compared to what the Al-Assad regime and allied groups have been doing and are doing. They are also a reaction to those crimes of Al-Assad and friends.

Those 5-7 women were captured wives of Alawi officers. They were used that way in order to prevent the Al-Assad regime from murdering 100's upon 100's of civilians in rebel held areas due to barrel bombings. Such actions saved hundreds of lives. Are those 5-10 Alawi officer wives lives more worthy than the 1000s upon 1000s of civilian Syrians that have lost their lives to deliberate barrel bombardments of civilian areas?

Also had the Al-Assad regime not been hell-bent on destroying Syria and Syrians in order to stay in power people would not have replied in kind. There would be no ISIS either as they would have very few reasons and arguments to recruit people. ISIS appeared in Syria long after the conflict began. Al-Assad could have reformed and listened to his people but instead he let loose his thugs (Shabiha) and tribal allies (Alawis) to cause havoc on Syrians.

The fact is that ISIS, Al-Nusra (now under a different name), Shia terrorist groups etc. fighting on Al-Assad's side will continue to flood Syria as long as the Al-Assad regime is in power. Al-Assad is the main reason for terrorism in Syria. How you guys cannot see that is beyond belief.

 

[Serpentine]

@500 debunking 'myths' about Syria, this ought to be one of the most reliable 'myth debunking' operations in history.

 

[Aero]

once they are done with Assad they are going to try and kill you

Israel has capacity to eliminate all of rebels in matter of days,in entire ME none can pose serious threat to them in conventional warfare.

@Sargon of Akkad
Yes,I bothered to read your entire post and answer it if you do same,my humble request to you, Please read carefully, as lastly you was replying while concluding incorrect meaning.

Syrian Kurds and around 1 million Syrian Turkmens who rebelled (by large) do not count?
Kurds are not fighting Syrian Govt..
Syrian Turkmen are also Sunni Islamist (In case you don't know) so comes in same faction.

>>What about all the Syrian Christian Arab and Assyrian members of rebel groups?
Please list some of them

>>Do you know anything about the Syrian conflict at all?
Well yes, a quite a lot.

>>The Syrian opposition has fought more battles against ISIS than the Al-Assad regime
If your english is somewhat good please reread my last post and then answer.

>>The same regime that hardly, even despite Russian involvement since September 2015, have struck Al-Raqqah.
Like moderate beheaders who gifted Raqqah to IS struck it.

>>Also you do realize that at least 75% of Syria's population is made up by Syrian Sunni Arabs. Last time I saw, at least according to democratic values, the majority decides.
I fully agree there should be elections under international supervision in syria however "Moderate terrorists" still being part of any new secular country is what i don't like. These extremist will be unable to deliver a secular state.

>>Lastly if you bothered to read this thread you would have realized that Syria was always ruled by Syrian Sunni Arabs (what a surprise given the demographics) and that during pre-Assad dynasty rule there were no oppression of minorities.
India was ruled by mughals so what should we do now,let them come and rule again.
Even during Assad period majority sunni people are complaining not minority. However as far as sunnis concerned they are mostly unhappy in entire world unless their turn their homelands into pile of rubble by fighting with current ruling elite.(A lot of insurgencies by sunni islamist)

Those 5-7 women were captured wives of Alawi officers. They were used that way in order to prevent the Al-Assad regime from murdering 100's upon 100's of civilians in rebel held areas due to barrel bombings. Such actions saved hundreds of lives. Are those 5-10 Alawi officer wives lives more worthy than the 1000s upon 1000s of civilian Syrians that have lost their lives to deliberate barrel bombardments of civilian areas?

Also had the Al-Assad regime not been hell-bent on destroying Syria and Syrians in order to stay in power people would not have replied in kind. There would be no ISIS either as they would have very few reasons and arguments to recruit people. ISIS appeared in Syria long after the conflict began. Al-Assad could have reformed and listened to his people but instead he let loose his thugs (Shabiha) and tribal allies (Alawis) to cause havoc on Syrians.

The fact is that ISIS, Al-Nusra (now under a different name), Shia terrorist groups etc. fighting on Al-Assad's side will continue to flood Syria as long as the Al-Assad regime is in power. Al-Assad is the main reason for terrorism in Syria. How you guys cannot see that is beyond belief.

You are justifying the torture because Assad Government (If) is doing.
However if you come to same methods as Assad government then what is point of overthrowing him,you remove one dictator and install other islamic dictators (Even worse).
Care to explain?

 

[50cent]

Myth 4: Israelis care about the wellbeing of Syrian Muslims.

My enemy (Syria Secular Assad regime) enemy (fsa Isis alqeda) is my friend. .That's why we see isrealis crocodile tears for syria

 

[Aero]

1-3)Assad managed to turn this conflict into religious with his crazy barrel bombs, massacres and sectarian mercenaries.
2) Rebels to fight vs. IS, more over in North Aleppo when rebels fought IS Assad and his friends bombed rebels effectively serving as IS air force.

>>Rebels to fight vs. IS, more over in North Aleppo when rebels fought IS
IF you read it again, I asked why don't they start big operation against IS like in Aleppo to take Raqqah with 5-10K fighters.

>>Assad and his friends bombed rebels effectively serving as IS air force.
When you enemy's guard is down or they are busy fighting elsewhere that is time to strike,there are more than two faction fighting in Syria so one way or another they are going to help each other unintentionally.

>>Assad managed to turn this conflict into religious with his crazy barrel bombs
How barrel bombs do that can you explain?

>>Assad managed to turn this conflict into religious with massacres and sectarian mercenaries.
When Arms entered in Syrian conflict other religious group backed down or sided with Syrian Govt but Sunnis formed JAN,FSA etc. Mercenaries didn't enter in first yer of war but sectarian sunnis did.

Not only in syria but a lot sunnis have problem wherever they live in entire world.

 

[500]

yes right and for Syria to have a democracy you need the rebels fighting right now to win then you will see elections between isil and al quaeda and other takfiri terror groups

Fact: Syria before Assad was much more secular, free and democratic than todays Egypt.

@500 debunking 'myths' about Syria, this ought to be one of the most reliable 'myth debunking' operations in history.

Attack the messenger instead of message. Awesome tactics.

Myth 4: Israelis care about the wellbeing of Syrian Muslims.

Israel does not call itself an Islamic state unlike Iran. Iran calls itself Islamic and in same time murders, tortures, ethnically cleanse, starves millions of Muslims for sake of secular corrupt dictator.

 

[Timur]

Pictures speaks louder than words can any mature guy would wish these syrian rebels to takeover country and turn into wort fom of khawrji barbaric kingdom stop giving lame excuses to SUPPORT thease monsters .they even abused women putting them in cages

do u think any women deserve this kind of treatment imagine what types of crimes are they committing in in Aleppo. Last time few a guy managed to escape from seige he told to media that jihadis snatched every iteam of food jeweleryr money from civilans and civilans were left starving and were not allowed to leave rebel areas becasue thease monsters were usng using them as human shields so Government forces canot liberate them and in orderto slowdown saa advamce

there are same assad ppl doing much worse.. who burry ppl alive.. just let the head look out of his grave to kick him in the face.. say some bad things and then burry him alive..

or the mass raping of girls infront of their fathers and brothers..

or you found someone with beard.. than just pluck it out with your hands.. some smile for the camera and every pig can be happy..

you can have fun with children too.. take them away to mass kill them .. or just use them to make your miserabal life better

hey much more killing, starving, raping, torturing is made by the secular good communist assad.. and what do you think about this? he is worser than some groubs and maybe the same as isis