Myanmar Defence Forum

[tarpitz]

it's not inland river.. bro..
see in 1 st photo of #406..



next 4 LCU... ? wtf.. how many ships is being built by Naval Shipyard per year..? i think 2 Frigates, 1 corvette , dozen of FAC , 1 OPV , 1 Topedo Boat, about 8 LCU within 5 years... Busy shipyard..!!

4 x LCUs bro. Not LSTs. New LCUs are just 30 m. LST (1611) series are about 60 m long.

 

[Nilgiri]

yes bro

Bro, you got Burmese heritage or just a German guy interested in Burma (similar to me but I'm from India )?

 

[Jäger]

Bro, you got Burmese heritage or just a German guy interested in Burma (similar to me but I'm from India )?

Just a German interested in Myanmar

 

[BDforever]

Just a German interested in Myanmar

interesting , do you know Germany has huge football supporters here ?

 

[Nilgiri]

interesting , do you know Germany has huge football supporters here ?

They have supporters worldwide!

So they are giving competition nowadays for support to Brazil and Argentina? I always heard those were the big two in B'desh.

 

[Aung Zaya]

Is this better or type 69-IIG
Type 69-IIG - An upgraded Bangladeshi model with the following modifications:
Bi-axis stabilised Type-83A(Improved L-7 with bigger bore)105mm smoothbore main gun (NATO compatible), with semi-automatic loader, capable of firing ATGMs
New fire control system (FCS), laser range-finder, thermal imaging sights & Combat data link
850 hp diesel engine
Chinese 3rd generation explosive reactive armour (ERA) protection, automatic collective fire suppression system, LASER warning receiver,NBC suite.
New communications and navigation equipment (including GPS receiver)
Rubber padded track
more powerful than any other version of Type 69.

well, now let's make a discussion on our tanks..
a bro from Bangladesh asked me which is better T 72 S (if not plz comfirm which varient we used) VS T 69 II G..
I have very little knowledge on tanks.. plz contribute @tarpitz @alaungphaya and all bros from Myanmar.. @bongbang @BDforever and @Nilgiri and other Indian bros.. we also need ur contributions.. coz India produced T72 for a long time.. Thz u bros... here is start..

T 72S ( Myanmar )
Overall weight, t 44.5
Crew, men 3
Engine V-84 liquid cooled four-stroke diesel developing 618 kW (840 hp)
Main Gun 125mm D-81 smoothbore gun
Guided missiles 9K120 Svir
Machine guns 12.7mm AD NSVT-12.7 and 7.62mm coaxial PKT
Fire-control system laser rangefinder, ballistic computer
Type of armor combined with explosive reactive armor package

from T-72S Main Battle Tank
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Type 69 Mk. II G ( Bangladesh )

• 120 mm smoothbore main gun (Fires all NATO rounds)
• Capability to fire ATGM from main gun
• Gun stabilisers (vertical, horizontal)
• Modern fire control system
• Combat data link
• Extensive ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) protection
• NBC suite
• 1,200 hp diesel engine
• Thermal sights
• Semi-automatic loader
• Laser warning receiver
• Laser range finder
• Range of new ammunition
• Fire fighting equipment
• Communications equipment
• Navigation equipment + GPS
• Jamming equipment
from @bongbang

if we upgrade to India's Rhino Standard with the help of India, how much the result change..? what will be pros and cons..?

 

[BDforever]

They have supporters worldwide!

So they are giving competition nowadays for support to Brazil and Argentina? I always heard those were the big two in B'desh.

yes Germany is coming very close to these supporters
one farmer gave a party and feed more than 100 peoples to celebrate Germany's world cup win last time lol
Myself used to be Brazilian supporter, now German supporter Brazil does not classic football like before and Germany believes in energetic football, don't waste time just standing and few passes among time, grab the football and attttaaaaccckkkkkk !!

well, now let's make a discussion on our tanks..
a bro from Bangladesh asked me which is better T 72 S (if not plz comfirm which varient we used) VS T 69 II G..
I have very little knowledge on tanks.. plz contribute @tarpitz @alaungphaya and all bros from Myanmar.. @bongbang @BDforever and @Nilgiri and other Indian bros.. we also need ur contributions.. coz India produced T72 for a long time.. Thz u bros... here is start..

T 72S ( Myanmar )
Overall weight, t 44.5
Crew, men 3
Engine V-84 liquid cooled four-stroke diesel developing 618 kW (840 hp)
Main Gun 125mm D-81 smoothbore gun
Guided missiles 9K120 Svir
Machine guns 12.7mm AD NSVT-12.7 and 7.62mm coaxial PKT
Fire-control system laser rangefinder, ballistic computer
Type of armor combined with explosive reactive armor package

from T-72S Main Battle Tank
=================================================================================
Type 69 Mk. II G ( Bangladesh )

• 120 mm smoothbore main gun (Fires all NATO rounds)
• Capability to fire ATGM from main gun
• Gun stabilisers (vertical, horizontal)
• Modern fire control system
• Combat data link
• Extensive ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) protection
• NBC suite
• 1,200 hp diesel engine
• Thermal sights
• Semi-automatic loader
• Laser warning receiver
• Laser range finder
• Range of new ammunition
• Fire fighting equipment
• Communications equipment
• Navigation equipment + GPS
• Jamming equipment
from @bongbang

if we upgrade to India's Rhino Standard with the help of India, how much the result change..? what will be pros and cons..?

if Myanmar's T-72 gets upgraded to Rhino Standard then they will be like carbon copy of each other.
is there any such plan ?

 

[Nilgiri]

It will depend on who's attacking who and where the face off takes place + exact ground auxiliaries, AT-infantry present, air assets available.

But assuming just a level flat terrain with no cover, I would have to give the advantage to the B'desh tank on paper. This is assuming the upgrade suite does indeed cover everything listed

The main points why + questions:

1. Better power/weight. Traction will be roughly equivalent given the soviet heritage of both models. I am not sure of the quality of the Chinese transmission, so I will assume its the same for now...but it could be worse (not sure)...but definitely not better. Does anyone have the exact weight of this improved T-69? It will give a better calculation to compare....but 1200 horses is definitely a lot more than 840 for what I assume is roughly the same weights. Also any info on the 1200 HP engine would be interesting to see.

2. FCS. Will need some details for the FCS on T-69. If its a generation or more than the one on Myanmar T-72, it could be significant. I am assuming Myanmar has the standard 80s era FCS the USSR put on export models. Does anyone know when Myanmar acquired the T-72s....and were they brand new or surplus stock from USSR/Russia?

The thermal sights are a great advantage for especially night fighting capability for T-69. Are we sure Myanmar does not have any on T-72? Laser warning receiver is also a very sizeable advantage and will counter laser painting. Jamming, is that a radio jammer?....will need info on the power output of it so effective range can be estimated. But a good extra to have nonetheless.

Thus FCS details (processor, architecture...anything really) will be very handy to know how ahead the T-69 is in this department.

3. Guided missiles, same thing....what are the ones used in Bangladesh arsenal specifically for T-69?

4. ERA + physical armour. Should be about the same for survivability on both. The lower profile of T-72 gives it a marginal advantage though....though the shaped ERA on the T69 may compensate to some level as well.

5. Combat data link + Navigation/GPS for T-69. Any specific details again?

If everything is sourced from China for T-69 upg, I feel Rhino upgrade or similar standard will definitely have an edge....and you will have assured reliability and quality/numbers to base performance on.

All the Bangladesh information hits a dead end somewhere at a forum at some point (unless someone has some solid paper/info released by Bangladesh military/Chinese supplier). Basically its someone that knows someone in the military....so I will hold final judgement till I see something more solid/reliable. The 1200 HP engine especially sounds sketchy....as do the inclusion of some of the other things (its like someone went to a tick box and ticked everything). So would simply like to see something officially released somewhere first on this upgrade.....someone out there would have done a much better search than I have!

 

[Nike]

Bangladesh is not a network centric armed forces, i get wonder why their army put data link feature on their MBT. And as far as my knowledge dictate me i am yet to see their so called Type 69Gll. In which too much hoax for me, like the cannon itself.

 

[Nilgiri]

Bangladesh is not a network centric armed forces, i get wonder why their army put data link feature on their MBT. And as far as my knowledge dictate me i am yet to see their so called Type 69Gll. In which too much hoax for me, like the cannon itself.

I for one would like to see a picture with the Laser Warning Receivers as well.

 

[Nike]

I feel it's much better to compare something you had on your hands, than some speculation bprdering to hoax

 

[Nilgiri]

yes Germany is coming very close to these supporters
one farmer gave a party and feed more than 100 peoples to celebrate Germany's world cup win last time lol
Myself used to be Brazilian supporter, now German supporter Brazil does not classic football like before and Germany believes in energetic football, don't waste time just standing and few passes among time, grab the football and attttaaaaccckkkkkk !!

Brazil needs a Pele. But I guess thats impossible....coz Pele! Have you seen the footage of the old glory days of Brazil? They really learnt, incorporated and perfected what they faced/saw from Hungary in that amazing cup in 1954.

I feel it's much better to compare something you had on your hands, than some speculation bprdering to hoax

Hey maybe they have some crazy C4ISTAR system no one know about!

 

[BDforever]

1.Bangladesh is not a network centric armed forces, i get wonder why their army put data link feature on their MBT.
2. And as far as my knowledge dictate me i am yet to see their so called Type 69Gll. In which too much hoax for me, like the cannon itself.

1. care to explain ?
2. Go to youtube and watch latest army parade on victory day, you will see the tank

@Nilgiri @madokafc pics from 2012 parade video

This is not our fault that you do not search for this tank and then call it hoax, these pics already been posted in this forum

 

[Nike]

1. care to explain ?
2. Go to youtube and watch latest army parade on victory day, you will see the tank

@Nilgiri @madokafc pics from 2012 parade video
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Thats 105 mm L7 rifled gun with thermal sleeve, no laser warning receiver, no visible jammer equipment, and No trace if its had receive 1200 hp engine.

 

[BDforever]

1.Thats 105 mm L7 rifled gun
with thermal sleeve,
2. no laser warning receiver,
3.no visible jammer equipment
4. and No trace if its had receive 1200 hp engine.

1. prove it
2. 1st pic
3. what kind of visible jamming equipment you want to see externally ?
4. army is not going to beat drum to show you that.