Myanmar Defence Forum

[TheEunch]

No one is stopping you guys getting all Russian. Just look at Vietnam.

Right after Aung Sang Suu Kyi was elected, there was a 180 degree shift in Myanmar, aligning everything to USA, and total rejection of China.

Then Myanmese congratulate themselves for being accepted into international community.

The outcome is, US treated Myanmar like a mad dog. US wanted nothing but a dead Myanmar.

Man U must really hate the US and Daw ASSK huh?

truth is a lot of the messed up things have been going on since the era of the junta and you can’t just place all the blame on the current administration. The civilian government and the military are at odds and have different paths and agendas in mind. The overreaction by the military towards the ARSA attacks certainly did not help the current administration continue the trajectory set by the previous administration of breaking out of China’s orbit due to allegations of genocide (yes allegation because the world only seem to be interested in hearing one side of the story before passing judgement). The current crisis would continue even if it was the previous administration albeit much more confidential due to the fact that the military has an iron fist over information but we ended then the information would get out due to the fact most of the information was going out from the Bangladeshi side. However, it will not stop the international community from shunning us and pushing us back into china’s orbit.

Is DASSK a CIA asset? Maybe. I can’t give evidence she isn’t and neither can you that she is. Is the CIA trying to dismember our country? Prehaps. After all, Bangkok is the closest CIA HQ and a lot of arms flowing into myanmar early on from surpluses from Laos and Cambodia. But China is doing the same and apparently so is Pakistan.

 

[Song Hong]

Without Ne Win and Tatmadaw, there will be no Myanmar.

The earlier civilian government U Nu saw an almost break up of Myanmar until Ne Win single handedly unite every tribe with force.

As a result Arakan was mostly peaceful until the arrival of jinx ASSK.

Without Ne Win's struggle against insurgencies, you guys will break into 10 piece, far worse than the secession of Rohingya land.

Man U must really hate the US and Daw ASSK huh?

truth is a lot of the messed up things have been going on since the era of the junta and you can’t just place all the blame on the current administration. The civilian government and the military are at odds and have different paths and agendas in mind. The overreaction by the military towards the ARSA attacks certainly did not help the current administration continue the trajectory set by the previous administration of breaking out of China’s orbit due to allegations of genocide (yes allegation because the world only seem to be interested in hearing one side of the story before passing judgement). The current crisis would continue even if it was the previous administration albeit much more confidential due to the fact that the military has an iron fist over information but we ended then the information would get out due to the fact most of the information was going out from the Bangladeshi side. However, it will not stop the international community from shunning us and pushing us back into china’s orbit.

Is DASSK a CIA asset? Maybe. I can’t give evidence she isn’t and neither can you that she is. Is the CIA trying to dismember our country? Prehaps. After all, Bangkok is the closest CIA HQ and a lot of arms flowing into myanmar early on from surpluses from Laos and Cambodia. But China is doing the same and apparently so is Pakistan.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

So much similarity in India Myanmar weapons such as Tangushka.... Is this Hwasong missile from NK is ballistic missile? what is the range?

Yes this is Hwasong from North Korea. The range of Hwasong 5 is 300 missile. Myanmar's another Hwasong 6 missile has range of 700 km.

As far as I have read somewhere Myanmar secretly brought Rodong 1 from North Korea which has range of 1500 plus km. In return Myanmar supplied rice to DPRK. Its just a rumour though no one knows what's the truth.

 

[TheEunch]

Without Ne Win and Tatmadaw, there will be no Myanmar.

The earlier civilian government U Nu saw an almost break up of Myanmar until Ne Win single handedly unite every tribe with force.

As a result Arakan was mostly peaceful until the arrival of jinx ASSK.

Without Ne Win's struggle against insurgencies, you guys will break into 10 piece, far worse than the secession of Rohingya land.

Also without Ne Win’s policy of burmanization and brutality and refusal of honouring the Panglong agreement. Him casting away a free and fair democratic and federal system that was promised at independence for socialism. His crackpot despotism lead us to the murder of protesting students. He may have helped the government in the. 50s to 60s but he fucked it all up for the next half an century or maybe an century at the rate this is going with Long held animosities.

 

[Song Hong]

Also without Ne Win’s policy of burmanization and brutality and refusal of honouring the Panglong agreement. Him casting away a free and fair democratic and federal system that was promised at independence for socialism. His crackpot despotism lead us to the murder of protesting students. He may have helped the government in the. 50s to 60s but he fucked it all up for the next half an century or maybe an century at the rate this is going with Long held animosities.

Panglong 1.0 allow all tribe to secede. And every single race in Myanmar hate Barmese--Kachin, Shan, Karen, Indians, Rohingyas, Wa....etc

It was Ne Win who threw the Panglong 1.0 under the table, suspend democracy, and move towards centralization.

Are you pro Panglong 1.0. Good. Then everyone got de jure confederalism. and next Myanmar will be Yugoslavia 2.0. You guys Barmese can go and cry.

 

[TheEunch]

Panglong 1.0 was literally a federal system that would have ensured that the ethnic minorities would have the ability to self govern while giving up the claims to secede. Then we gotta go **** it all up by attacking the minorities by throwing grenades into Churches and shit.

it all started with the British’s divide and rule policies during colonial period with the minorities mostly favoured by the british. Before they came there were fractured kingdoms, yes. but it all under one big dynasty with a lot of the current ethnic identities not existing but people identifying with where they live or where they were born. British racial identification created the divide it is today. So yes, Panglong was the only hope we had back then of holding everything together.

The reason this divide became bigger is BECAUSE of that centralization efforts. It is well documented that because of the erasure of ethnic identity caused most of the ethnic youth that was integrating well into the Burmese culture revert to their old identities and be be rebellious towards the policies. If the junta didn’t go ahead with their mentality of only we can do it right then myanmar would have been in a better position now.

this is not so simple as CIA assets or ideological warfare, this date back way, way later to even before the colonial period. The only way to hold together the country now is not centralization by force by federalism due to the amount of ethnic groups there are. The question is to find the balance and it will take years to get there.

 

[Song Hong]

Panglong 1.0 was literally a federal system that would have ensured that the ethnic minorities would have the ability to self govern while giving up the claims to secede. Then we gotta go **** it all up by attacking the minorities by throwing grenades into Churches and shit.

it all started with the British’s divide and rule policies during colonial period with the minorities mostly favoured by the british. Before they came there were fractured kingdoms, yes. but it all under one big dynasty with a lot of the current ethnic identities not existing but people identifying with where they live or where they were born. British racial identification created the divide it is today. So yes, Panglong was the only hope we had back then of holding everything together.

The reason this divide became bigger is BECAUSE of that centralization efforts. It is well documented that because of the erasure of ethnic identity caused most of the ethnic youth that was integrating well into the Burmese culture revert to their old identities and be be rebellious towards the policies. If the junta didn’t go ahead with their mentality of only we can do it right then myanmar would have been in a better position now.

this is not so simple as CIA assets or ideological warfare, this date back way, way later to even before the colonial period. The only way to hold together the country now is not centralization by force by federalism due to the amount of ethnic groups there are. The question is to find the balance and it will take years to get there.

Since centralization is a problem, democracy and federalism should be a cure. You ask Tatmadaw stop moving into Rohingya land or Kachin state.

The centralization cancer should be stop then. So every state should elect their warlords and central government has no say.

Next step is everyone will go independence, then join China.

It is not as if Barmese is neither sexy nor lovely.

China and Myanmar, sure people choose China.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Panglong 1.0 allow all tribe to secede. And every single race in Myanmar hate Barmese--Kachin, Shan, Karen, Indians, Rohingyas, Wa....etc

It was Ne Win who threw the Panglong 1.0 under the table, suspend democracy, and move towards centralization.

Are you pro Panglong 1.0. Good. Then everyone got de jure confederalism. and next Myanmar will be Yugoslavia 2.0. You guys Barmese can go and cry.

Indians and Rohingyas are not indigenous to Myanmar. Rakhines, Kachina, Shans, Bamars are indigenous.

There is no question of giving Myanmar citizenship to Gurkha, Tamil migrants.

 

[Song Hong]

Indians and Rohingyas are not indigenous to Myanmar. Rakhines, Kachina, Shans, Bamars are indigenous.

There is no question of giving Myanmar citizenship to Gurkha, Tamil migrants.

U Nu democracy has failed and Myanmar almost break apart. Then came Ne Win.

Myanmese did not know what they want.

Democracy = decentralization.
Decentralization = succession

Myanmar is not a monolithic country. It is a multi-racial country.

I have a lot of sympathy with Myanmar. But many of them do not know the outcome of democracy and failed to give the generals due credit.

 

[TheEunch]

U Nu democracy has failed and Myanmar almost break apart. Then came Ne Win.

Myanmese did not know what they want.

Democracy = decentralization.
Decentralization = succession

Myanmar is not a monolithic country. It is a multi-racial country.

I have a lot of sympathy with Myanmar. But many of them do not know the outcome of democracy and failed to give the generals due credit.

Well at these points...I completely agree. It is time we educate ourselves and take ahold of our own country

 

[tarpitz]

Myanmar Army Joint Chief of Staff and DDG of Defence Industries held meeting with Russian Deputy Minister of Defence in Moscow in the sideline of Army Games. It is also a follow up meeting after the CinC visit to Russia.
New acquisitions such as second batch of Su 30s, tanks and shore based AShMs are expected.
Myanmar Army tank crew, snipers and medical teams are also there to join Army Games.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Well at these points...I completely agree. It is time we educate ourselves and take ahold of our own country

Bro Myanmar does not need democracy. Tatmadaw is doing good work in maintaining the sovereignty of Myanmar and keeping the country united.

Also Myanmar is in a vulnerable position with China and other wicked nations trying to exploit the country so military development should be Myanmar's first priority.

 

[MINN]

Myanmar Army Joint Chief of Staff and DDG of Defence Industries held meeting with Russian Deputy Minister of Defence in Moscow in the sideline of Army Games. It is also a follow up meeting after the CinC visit to Russia.
New acquisitions such as second batch of Su 30s, tanks and shore based AShMs are expected.
Myanmar Army tank crew, snipers and medical teams are also there to join Army Games.
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Hope subs are coming too.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Hope subs are coming too.

Myanmar navy can purchase Amur class instead of Kilo class. Amur class is cheaper but good.

 

[MINN]

test fireing S-125. Vietnam.

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