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@BHarwana Wrote:

This just another fake news attempt by India. The original link to the research was deleted as this news was posted.

I am not saying that Corona cannot be an engineered virus at all but what this hole info is saying is the same info that China post on their website when they decided to share the info.

If you want to see how dangerous Corona is first check a similar virus to Corona is already roaming in USA that is called influenza and it has killed more people than Corona. Corona is more similar to influenza than HIV.

The best scientist in developing such bio tech weapon are old soviet scientist who are working for different govt. Indians who are taking claim for discovering this has already been taken by Russians they have already told HIV drugs are working good against Coronavirus and China is using them.

This tweet is 5 days old so India has discovered cow dung here nothing else.



India walay bhi twitter par khabar parthay hain aur surgical Kar detay hain. Wanabe nation.

Corona has HIV like insertions? Yes it has and drugs used to treat HIV are effective on it.



Here this was said by Russians 3 days ago.



There is a much bigger game being played here. If you want to here conspiracy theories here translate this news and enjoy a fun time of conspiracy theories.



India is discovering shit today USA dispatched China HIV treatment drung and an unknown vaccine 5 days back. So they knew before India that HIV geans were in Coronavirus. No one told India or they heard the news today and claimed it their break through. Lol

Indian discovery my shit. India just copy pasted the report WHO released and claimed its own.





My reply :

Since that thread has been locked, i'm responding here.

It's since well known to the world that ncov2019 is being treated with HIV related drugs since last week. So no ,Indian scientists are making that assertion.

In fact, Indian pharmaceutical companies who are at forefront in manufacturing these drugs for long time, hence getting large orders for immediate shipment and running overtime to fulfill their commitment.

REad this :
Cipla ready with repurposed HIV drug to combat coronavirus
https://www.businesstoday.in/sector...-drug-to-combat-coronavirus/story/394845.html


2. Then You have these tweets of
Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding who is Havard genetic researcher and have been talking Ncov in international media since the outbreak .

You prove your point that Indian scientists copied what is published in wHO , u put his tweets, ironically but often see here , without due diligence .



Replying to @DrEricDing


16. UPDATE ON
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: a very intriguing new paper investigating the aforementioned mystery middle segment w/ “S” spike protein: likely origin from HIV. “Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag” from https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1 …



Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding@DrEricDing


17. ...WHOA- the authors said the finding was “Unexpectedly” related to genes from HIV virus. Notably there were 4 gene insertions (see figure in above post #16). And so, which HIV gene proteins were found in the new #coronarvirus? Gag protein and Gp120- key HIV proteins...




Read again above tweets, Just again, without your India phobia, Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding tweets are based on Indian research papers only and he has given the web link to those paper in his tweet too.

Indian researcher didn't copy anyone, they didn't WHO , they didn't publishing what Russian or Chinese scientist are saying. These Indian scientists are giving there findings based on their own independent research. And as seen from the Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding comments , if it means anything , it suggests they are taken seriously by genetic scientists outside India.
 
Lol. This @BHarwana guy went on a rant against indian scientists, so to say that white man has already come up with the theory, when the white man himself was quoting the theory of Indian scientists. That is hilarious.

Though Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding is probably of Chinese origin, hence in certain aspect would be more important than a white man in Pakistan.

Oh. True. Even then, it is a double whammy, since he is a Chinese who is working in a western set up after all. That lends even more credibility. Obviously we wouldn't trust the Chinese research by mainland Chinese on this.
 
Thank you for the thread. I saw the other thread locked and didn't bother. Request mods to merge.
 
Funny , this @BHarwana fellow, in his gargantuan India phobia carelessly quotes Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding tweets to prove Indian scientist copied already published work, while the truth is Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding is quoting Indian findings with explicit links to the papers in his tweet.

some people are always jealous of india .
 
I got a feeling you have absolutely no background in science that's why you're blabbering like an idiot without understanding what is being said. Your whole argument is revolving around one point that the virus has similarities with the HIV virus. Well, NO ONE here is contesting against that FACT you clown ! Offcourse it has similarities with the HIV virus as well as the HCV virus ! That's EXACTLY the reason its responding to RIBAVIRIN and LOPINAVIR in the first place ! Get this through your thick skull azzwipe, its a VIRUS, and this is completely normal for it to mutate at this rate because it is an RNA virus not a DNA virus. RNA viruses mutate at a faster rate than a DNA virus because they are unstable ...like indians !

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Read the article. Knowing you indians, it'd go straight over your thick head but still give it a read. May he you'll learn a thing or two about viruses.

Those research paper by bunch of Indian scientists are initial findings and further investigation are needed which is accepted concluding part of the papers itself. But in the sheer explicit demonstration of jealously, people are coming out with disparaging theories like they copied from wHO or copied from scientist of other nation.

Oh bhai, Indian pharma exports drugs around the world stood at 22B$ last year.

It's has a dozen top line biotech and Genetic science schools and research labs.
You stupid piece of shit. The reason indian drugs are preferred is not because they're more efficacious but because they're dirt cheap...just like you. You know how I know this? Because i am related to the field.
 
Assessing the validity of the work is a different matter. This paper isn't published yet and all discussion is while keeping this in mind.

I haven't expressed my opinion yet, and in my opinion, their conclusion about it not being fortuitous was unnecessary, at the absence of specific proof. They risked their own otherwise seemingly valid piece of work with this statement. They should've left it to the media.
 
I got a feeling you have absolutely no background in science that's why you're blabbering like an idiot without understanding what is being said. Your whole argument is revolving around one point that the virus has similarities with the HIV virus. Well, NO ONE here is contesting against that FACT you clown ! Offcourse it has similarities with the HIV virus as well as the HCV virus ! That's EXACTLY the reason its responding to RIBAVIRIN and LOPINAVIR in the first place ! Get this through your thick skull azzwipe, its a VIRUS, and this is completely normal for it to mutate at this rate because it is an RNA virus not a DNA virus. RNA viruses mutate at a faster rate than a DNA virus because they are unstable ...like indians !
Errr... about that. The portions that were reported were 100% conserved. Meaning, those were found same across multiple variants and generations.
 
Thank you for such information. Many things are coming, more expansion = more learning
 
hat's EXACTLY the reason its responding to RIBAVIRIN and LOPINAVIR in the first place
Errr... Again no.

http://archcid.com/en/articles/13823.html , this is a study from 2017, way before current variant of this virus was found with HIV inserts.
Lopinavir; A Potent Drug against Coronavirus Infection: Insight from Molecular Docking Study

It essentially built upon the idea of inhibiting 3C like protease using HIV-1 protease inhibitor.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23879823

So, no, you are wrong because the reason Lopinavir is being used in china is not because they found inserts of HIV amino acids in the envelope of 2019 Coronavirus. It is because previous research on blocking 3C protease had shown promise for SARS.
 
Seems like it’s been practically all out war around here lately
 
Your whole argument is revolving around one point that the virus has similarities with the HIV virus.
Thats not the point actually.

The point is rather different. The 2019 Coronovirus showed 4 new subsequences of amino acid that are 100% conserved throughout variants and generations (even with mutations in genome). The authors of that work then searched those subsequnces using pBLAST in other virus protein databases and found them in HIV-1 for all four conserved sequences. It raises question of how they ALL got there. Was it some kind of inter-species recombination which are pretty rare or was it done by someone?

The study however is a pre-print and yet not peer reviewed, so its complete validity is not established.

That said, I did the pBLAST as well and atleast the results were what the authors claimed. Though I found another bit which makes me suspect the quality of their research.
 
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